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Pie in the Sky Does Not Help Against A Rigged System

I am writing this late at night because I can't sleep. Earlier this evening against my better judgement I accompanied some of my church members down to the homeless mission. I wish I hadn't gone, and I wish I could apologize to the residents there over what they were forced to endure in the name of our church.

It is the custom to hold services before the evening meal and the youth pastor was invited to speak. His sermon droned on and on and was--there is no other way to put it--totally insensitive to his audience. These people are not interested in an in-depth Bible study on a particular topic but that is what they got. His starting text was the scene in Luke where the Sadducees confront Jesus with the riddle of the woman who married seven brothers who all died so whose wife will she be in the resurrection? From there he dipped down into the Old Testament and explained in excruciating detail the law about if a man dies without children his brother is obliged to marry his widow (her feelings on the matter don't count of course). So here he is talking about property rights and family to an audience that has neither. To rub salt on the wound he winds up with a quotation from Paul about counting it all gain if he should lose everything for Christ. In between there was some talk of hellfire and a lot of talk about resurrection. In other words, though he didn't say it, if you accept Jesus you will get pie in the sky when you die.

For the most part his audience listened passively, far more passively than I would have had I been in their shoes. I had to suppress a chuckle when he was talking about how God knows everything, sees everything and a man in the back said quite audibly, "Santa Claus!" Good for you! I thought. At least you show some spirit unlike the rest of them. He was quickly shushed by those around him.

Afterwards we were instructed to split up and sit among the residents and get to know them. Not surprisingly the ones I found myself among did not want to talk to me and I did not blame them. Why should they? To them I was just another well-off clueless do-gooder which I really can't argue against. One woman said she'd been in and out of the homeless mission for several years. She had a seven year old daughter. When asked what school she went to the girl said she did not go to school. Then, if realizing that perhaps she had said too much, she refused to answer any more questions.

Following that, some of us went out for coffee at a nearby coffee shop where we discussed the evening. When I brought up the youth pastor's insensitivity, it was brushed off as "he's simply inexperienced and didn't realize." I mentioned the woman I had tried to have a conversation with. I said, "there is something very very wrong when you have someone who has been in and out of the mission for years." I was told that people make lifestyle choices and if they don't want to improve themselves, if they choose to stay on drugs and alcohol, then nothing can be done for them. Because the mission does offer job training if you choose to commit to their program. What kind of job training? Auto mechanics for the men and cashier/food service for the women. I said, "well, the auto mechanic thing, that's not bad, but these jobs for the women, they only pay minimum wage, and you can't possibly live on minimum wage." Well, you don't know if that is all that they are offering, and you are making assumptions. Wait a minute, who was making assumptions a minute ago?

Here is the problem, which I don't think they get. The system is rigged against the poor. It always has been but now it is increasingly rigged against the rest of us. The Book of Revelation talks about the Mark of the Beast which many people interpret as a computer chip in the forehead or on the hand. Personally, I don't think it necessary. We already have the Mark of the Beast--it is called money.

I just wonder how well some of these people would fare if they were suddenly thrust into a situation where they had no money or very little money. Some years ago Jeremy Rifken wrote a book called "The Age of Access" in which he said the 21st century was going to be defined by who had access to what. These folks down at the mission know all too well what it is like to be out of the loop with no way out.

Take for example the supposedly simple act of communication. Unless you are talking to someone face to face, every other act of communication involves money. Whether it be old-fashioned land-line phone or the Internet, you have to pay for the service. Even snail mail costs money! Without communication, how can you learn about jobs? How can you be reached if a job is available?

Transportation, too, costs money unless you are fortunate enough to live within walking distance of potential work, and I am afraid that the kind of jobs that the mission is training people for are not within walking distance of the mission. So you have to have bus fare. If you don't have bus fare you are screwed.

I wish I could sit my friends down to a game of Monopoly where I was banker and instead of giving everyone the same amount of money I would give some people a huge amount and others none. Then watch how soon the game got ugly. But in Monopoly you do have the option of walking away from the table. In real life you do not. It is no wonder that so many turn to alcohol and drugs. Or others--dare I say it--turn to the illusory comfort of religion. Pie in the sky when you die because you sure aren't going to get it here in life.

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I forgot to add that one of the members brought her preteen granddaughter along--a questionable decision on her part as none of us had been down to the mission before. Since we were instructed to split up I did not see what happened but apparently there was a confrontation between one of the men and her granddaughter that could have turned ugly but fortunately did not. It seems that grandma was being openly overprotective of granddaughter and this man took offense, saying "we won't contaminate you" or something to that effect. Another man stepped in and confronted the first and the shelter workers had to separate them.
 
Such attitudes of pious superiority, not at all in the spirit of Christ. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Chalking up inequality to 'people can improve themselves if they just choose to' is the kind of ignorant thing that "well-off clueless do-gooder(s)" tell themselves to justify their own self-satisfaction/superiority/advantages so they can sleep in their warm beds at night with a clean conscience.
 
But they don't even see it as pious superiority, that's what gets me!

I mustn't judge. If things had gone differently for me I'd be in their shoes right now and just as clueless. But because they didn't go so well financially I have had a close-up view of how the other half lives. I'd like to take some of them on an apartment-hunting tour, not to the nice complexes on the outskirts of town but down to the heart of what is called the "Student Ghetto." Then ask them, how long would you last living here? How long before it got to you and you just had to get out? I say no more than a month, tops.
 
Yes, not surprised they don't see it that way; that would take a more highly evolved soul! "Forgive them, they know not what they do" comes to mind! You'd think they could muster a "there but for the grace of God go I", but then again, they know not what they do!

The worst part for me is that I understand exactly what they mean when they call poverty a lifestyle choice. Funny--now that I think about it, I find it a similar issue to how ignorant, judgmental outsiders treat Asperger's. Because ultimately the only way to change is to do the new, different behavior until you make it work continually, they figure that the only thing standing between the "afflicted" and their "salvation" is their own inadequate morality, and therefore any other considerations--like where the person is coming from--are irrelevant.

Yes, the only way for an individual to rise above their circumstances is set a goal, suck it up and do the work needed to get there; however, "moral" judgments like these overlook the uniqueness of every person and the circumstances from which they came. You simply cannot judge based on end results--if you know better than to make such blanket judgments, that is!

Yeah, people like that would hate having to live in poverty. And they'd never be able to understand what it's like to be born into poverty, to be raised by impoverished parents, to have numerous cultural and social obstacles placed between them and their basic needs, and to have to sit back and take it while people who've never known hardship breeze by in blissful ignorance of their blessings.

Just like NTs who think Aspies should just suck it up and get over themselves!
 
It's the same with everything... poverty, Asperger's... and absolutlley anything and everything else. If a person has never 'been there' or been in some situation which has given them some insight they are jusst not gonna understand it the way someone who has been blessed to have gotten that issignt dose. You have been blessed with that particular insight Spinning. And every trial a person goes threw in their lives is another gift. You can come out of it a different person then you could have ever been without that experience. Someone could try to explain it alll they want but it will never be the same as if you go threw it personally. Just like you can't explain you insight to you other church members. I'm sure you heard the question... "why dose God let bad thing happen?" Who would we all be if our lives were always perfect? We would never have a chance to gain any insights and never be able to grow in that way. Just like you said, had you not had the experiences you have you would be of the same mind as other fellow church members on the issue of poverty. So God dose not stop bad things from happening to people, even when it seems such a desperate situation he allows the world to go on as it will and as each soul goes threw another trial they have a chance to gain something they would never been able to gain in any other way. They can now take that gift which is uniquley theirs and do what they choose with it. And hears and idea... how about seeing these homeless people as just people... heart and soul, ideas, thought and feelings, and gifts and insights of their won to shair. I do not call myself 'religious' and I am not a church goer. No offence to anyone here just that it has been my experience that some church people have been some of the most judgmental people I have ever known in my life. I just beleive what I beleive in my own way and whenever a trial comes alone I try to look for the gift that God is offering me to take from it. And I try and pay attention to what my heart is telling me becouse I truly beleive that is the way God directs us as to how to use our gifts (insights etc.) that he has presented to us along our life. It's that tugging feeling at your heart. That is God directing you. He's saying 'you have this gift I know yo u wanna use it here'.
 
" If a person has never 'been there' or been in some situation which has given them some insight they are jusst not gonna understand it the way someone who has been blessed to have gotten that issignt dose." - Undiagnosed

Very true indeed. In my case, my touch of insight came from the stories handed down to me by the older generation on my mother's side. My maternal grandmother had grown up as a child in a kind of poverty similar to that of people in the Ozarks in the early 1900s. their home looked just like those horrendous 'homesteads' that were so mocked & depicted in shows like the Beverly Hillbillies- only it became deathly cold in Winter & there was no roadkill to eat & no 'possums' or anything else. Many people just starved. They knew a kind of desperation & misery that defies description. they also knew the sting of social condemnation, exclusion, blame & judgement. THEY were people who were too lazy,stupid & irresponsible to 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' (they didn't even HAVE boots...). THEY were violent, ornery, drunken illiterates. THEY were filthy, stinking people who were a shame on the rest of society to be ridiculed or mentioned in hushed tones.

Church do-gooders saw them as improvement projects or opportunities for them to practice their Christian charity on AND they'd better darned well be humble grateful recipients of their benevolence.

What persists to this day is an insulting belief that 'the poor' are somehow unimproved people & that they're in need of some kind of character/moral/ethical interventions by their so-called betters. I grew up affluent BUT amongst some very wealthy people. I can say with unequivocal certainty that, looking at my grandmother's people & looking at the wealthy, that the latter group are most often the unimproved in need of a talking-to by people like my (long since dead) grandmother. Many are degenerates living sordid double & even triple lives. Some are as ethically bankrupt as they are financially affluent. Poverty & wealth are not reflections of character & good & bad people abound at both ends of the financial spectrum & all point in between.
 

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