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A Less than Happy Greeting

donn

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I just had a housemate ask if I was "socially retarded" and, when I asked why he hadn't spoken to me about some issues he had been bottling up, he replied that he was scared he might set me off, since I'm "always babbling to [myself] down there. It's scary."

So begins my renewed interest in my place on the Autism/Aspergers spectrum.

Our kitchen, living room, and the other bedrooms are upstairs, while my room and work area are downstairs, so I had no idea that they were able to hear me. Even then, I didn't realize till today just how unsettling and unusual my habit apparently is. I honestly thought that everyone started at least an inner dialogue within ten minutes of being alone, seeing as how I can't go five without the conversation spilling out. I'm starting to get the sense that, in fact, other people really do have quiet in their own heads.

Previously, I had dismissed a professional opinion that I get tested for Asperger's. Most people who claimed to have it, just in my personal experience, were semi-intelligent individuals looking for an excuse to go on being assholes. I've been very high functioning for years, in my opinion, and didn't want to go looking for a reason to backslide on that progress.

However, of late I have become increasingly concerned about some of my tendencies, and after my housemate's blunt assessment, I sat down to a couple of the online tests. After ten years of working heavily on my social skills, I'm still showing on the mid 30's in the 50 question Autism/Aspergers test, and would have probably been in the high 40's as a teen. I'm starting to believe that I would be better off generally living on my own, except with very specific people, since I may be approaching as socially functional as I can be, and it is still "****ing weird."

In regards my personal situation, one month ago I broke off my engagement after finding out that my fiancee, who, it turns out, had been professionally diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder as a teen, had been leading multiple lives with multiple partners. In the month prior to that, I nearly killed myself on two occasions due to her efforts to persuade me I was the one acting monstrously, destroying our perfect relationship. However, I've made it through the worst of that, more intact than anyone would have expected.

All told, it's a good time for some re-evaluation and setting up a more satisfying life going forward. As part of that, it may be time that I recognize that my various idiosyncrasies might be better handled if I take part in a community that knows them, lives with them, and, hopefully, even loves some of them.

I'm looking forward to getting to know some, or all, of you!
 
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Hi, and welcome to the forum. I'm sure you'll find that the people on this forum aren't "semi-intelligent individuals looking for an excuse to go on being assholes." :)
 
Welcome to Central donn. I think the talking to yourself / monologueing stuff is part of the package for a lot of us AS - ASD people; it's an aspect which accompnied me since childhood. Most of mine is internalised-silent unless I am upset or stressed in which case I can become audible. I think the question of whether we live solitary or in shared accommodation depends on whether we can establish the basic essentials like a private space within that, when needed.
 
Hi.
Welcom donn.
:)

I too talk to myself all the time when alone or when I think no one can hear me. For me it is totally normal and necessary.
 
Hi donn and welcome :)

I find myself going over past coversations and planning future ones in my head, that often result in talking outloud. I'd just assumed it was due to social isolation, and hadn't realized it could be a part of ASD. (I'm self diagnosed) For years I had been working super hard at figuring out the patterns for social interaction, thinking that one day it would just all fall into place and I would be able to do social interaction. Well I'm in to my 30's and it hasn't happened yet. I still search for patterns in social interaction that I can assimilate into my repetoire but I am more accepting of the fact that it's never going to be something that comes naturally or easily to me.

Aspies Centrarl its a great community and I hope you enjoy youself here. :)
 
Welcome aboard! :)
I hope you can find some peace and a respite from your troubles. I can totally understand the after effects of an NPD relationship.
This is a great community, I hope you feel at home here.
Best wishes.
 
Hi, and welcome to the forum. I'm sure you'll find that the people on this forum aren't "semi-intelligent individuals looking for an excuse to go on being assholes." :)

Thanks - indeed I'm completely confident of that as well. I took a look around before signing up, and it seems to me that the forum is absolutely full of lovely people.

And thanks to everyone for the kind welcome!
 
Hi There,
Yes, certain tendencies do freak out NTs. But they don't issue you a list, so you have to pick up on them or learn them as you go. I believe internal dialogue's including verbalizing are fairly common to autistics. I don't know why, except to think it may relate to how we manage overactive brain activity.

Talking to yourself, sudden flashes of anger, sudden mood swings, obvious stims, intense detachment (as in ignoring surroundings), neglecting personal appearence, are some of the things that come to mind that will give a bad impression. Not all can be eliminated, or would you even want to perhaps, but all can be masked/hidden from the public.
 
Welcome aboard! :)
I hope you can find some peace and a respite from your troubles. I can totally understand the after effects of an NPD relationship.
This is a great community, I hope you feel at home here.
Best wishes.

Thanks Rocco. Once I understood the NPD side of things, and just how deep it went, I was able to walk away without the crushing guilt and "what if's" that often plague break ups. On the flipside, it's going to be a long road back to trusting myself in a serious relationship again, given that I was blind to dysfunction for so long and gave her the power to do so much. Some fairly traumatic stuff happened at the very end, so I've been enjoying bad dreams or nightmares every night for three weeks straight. This isn't the first time I've committed to a deeply screwed up individual. Sadly, this was not a good time for me to hear a NT declare me to be a disturbing person, but it did lead me here.

Hi donn and welcome :)

I find myself going over past coversations and planning future ones in my head, that often result in talking outloud. I'd just assumed it was due to social isolation, and hadn't realized it could be a part of ASD. (I'm self diagnosed) For years I had been working super hard at figuring out the patterns for social interaction, thinking that one day it would just all fall into place and I would be able to do social interaction. Well I'm in to my 30's and it hasn't happened yet. I still search for patterns in social interaction that I can assimilate into my repetoire but I am more accepting of the fact that it's never going to be something that comes naturally or easily to me.

Aspies Centrarl its a great community and I hope you enjoy youself here. :)

I had never thought, until last night, that my tendency to talk to myself was the least bit unusual. Like you, I assumed it was simply because I didn't have enough conversation with others about topics I care about. However, reading through some of the threads on the subject, I'm looking at it in a whole new light.

The biggest social pattern I worked hard on was humor, ever since I was a child, and as a result I'm considered a odd but quite charming by most of the outside world. Networking, greetings, keeping conversations moving - there are patterns to those things that I've worked out and can play on. However, at home, with such a small number of individuals, the patterns are harder to figure out subtly and the sample size is small. Plus, the housemate in question is a very odd person, and I have a tremendously high bar for "odd" persons, so I've very few reference points - I've no particular hope of adjusting to his presence, just dealing with it.
 
Hi There,
Yes, certain tendencies do freak out NTs. But they don't issue you a list, so you have to pick up on them or learn them as you go. I believe internal dialogue's including verbalizing are fairly common to autistics. I don't know why, except to think it may relate to how we manage overactive brain activity.

Talking to yourself, sudden flashes of anger, sudden mood swings, obvious stims, intense detachment (as in ignoring surroundings), neglecting personal appearence, are some of the things that come to mind that will give a bad impression. Not all can be eliminated, or would you even want to perhaps, but all can be masked/hidden from the public.

Thanks for bringing up stimming. I had to look it up, but that's another thing I do which I haven't thought of as being outside the norm, so I'll pay it more mind. I'm starting to realize just how....inactive other people seem to be. Anger, mood swings, and detachment I can handle in public, though God knows what impressions I may give around the house.

That really seems to be the thing right now. I can handle stuff well outside, but living with people who are essentially strangers, particularly a housemate with a detached personality and a slight paranoid streak (when irritated, he wonders, for no particular reason, if people do things with the intent of bothering him), is definitely stressing my ability to fit in normal bounds a great deal more than I understood. Frankly, I don't want to stop stimming or talking to myself in private, but this is blending public and private.
 
I used to have a habit of pacing around shaking things. Only recently was I told that I would mutter to myself as I did this. And here I thought I was thinking quietly.

I also talk to myself. Not on a daily basis, but if I am trying to organize ideas or having an internal battle of the wills I will often verbalise it. I also thought this was fiarly norman though. I mean, characters on television talk to themselves all the time, and that's discounting actual soliloquys. I always believed this was portraying real behavior and not merely for the benefit of the audience.
 
I used to have a habit of pacing around shaking things. Only recently was I told that I would mutter to myself as I did this. And here I thought I was thinking quietly.

I also talk to myself. Not on a daily basis, but if I am trying to organize ideas or having an internal battle of the wills I will often verbalise it. I also thought this was fiarly norman though. I mean, characters on television talk to themselves all the time, and that's discounting actual soliloquys. I always believed this was portraying real behavior and not merely for the benefit of the audience.

Yes! Those television characters were the biggest piece of evidence that I thought confirmed my beliefs. Well, that and the fact NT's always say that, "Everyone talks to themselves!"

However, I've asked a couple of people how often and for how long they talk to themselves. If I specifically inquire, "More or less than an hour a day in total" they go from "Oh that's normal" to a sudden silence. I'm not positive about my total time, since I'm both unaware of talking and not tracking the clock, but if I'm left alone all day there's absolutely no way it's going to be under 60 minutes.
 
I find myself going over past coversations and planning future ones in my head, that often result in talking outloud

My tendency towards this rises in line with any agitation I'm feeling. One thing I noticed lately about my monologues when I am anxious or stressed or upset, is that the conversations I most frequently run on the inside are, if not overtly confrontational then certainly defensive in character. I don't know what to think about that really :)
 
I just had a housemate ask if I was "socially retarded" and, when I asked why he hadn't spoken to me about some issues he had been bottling up, he replied that he was scared he might set me off, since I'm "always babbling to [myself] down there. It's scary."
That's sort of a nasty thing for someone to say to you. I'm sorry.
 
That's sort of a nasty thing for someone to say to you. I'm sorry.

Thanks. He is an extremely odd person himself (dissociative personality with a slight paranoid streak) and I can't be sure how much of the nastiness was intentional; certainly some, but likely not all of it. Sadly, it made my reintroduction to AS a rather rough one and has made things uncomfortable in my own home.

Funny how the odd ones are always the most likely to pick up that I'm different. Presumably it is because I don't have the same set of social patterns to rely on, so it's always the strangest people who in turn tend to observe and point directly at my AS tendencies.

Yeah, most NTs only make a few comments to themselves out loud. It'd probably total under 5 minutes lol.

Yup - I've checked with a couple of people and they've all said under 5 minutes.
 

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