ABA and ACT

[lunarious]

What is an autism turnaround?
First time I've heard the phrase so I had to Google it..

"There seem to be several books and courses in circulation aimed at parents of autistic children making the bold claim that the impacts of autism can be largely reduced with “turnaround” interventions at a young age . At a glance, the approach seems to focus heavily on contraversial ABA therapy (dog training for children) whilst simultaneously claiming to offer a more positive approach towards autism.. (If they’re truly positive about autism, why are they suggesting ABA therapy and other interventions intended to make autistic children act “normal"?)

‘Turnaround” interventions appear to be little more than an ABA therapy marketing scam aimed at desperate parents"

Mustafa: I remember when I was younger someone wanted to Behaviorally heal me through ACT - Acceptance and Comittment Therapy (or Training). She was "one of 10 experts in her field" they said, did they steal respect for her from me?

Is autistic turnaround comparing Autists to Dogs? Does it use ACT?

 

[tree]

"Acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) is an action-oriented approach to psychotherapy that stems from traditional behavior therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. Clients learn to stop avoiding, denying, and struggling with their inner emotions and, instead, accept that these deeper feelings are appropriate responses to certain situations that should not prevent them from moving forward in their lives. With this understanding, clients begin to accept their hardships and commit to making necessary changes in their behavior, regardless of what is going on in their lives and how they feel about it."


Acceptance and Commitment Therapy
https://contextualscience.org/acthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509623/

 

[WhitewaterWoman]

"Acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) is an action-oriented approach to psychotherapy that stems from traditional behavior therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. Clients learn to stop avoiding, denying, and struggling with their inner emotions and, instead, accept that these deeper feelings are appropriate responses to certain situations that should not prevent them from moving forward in their lives. With this understanding, clients begin to accept their hardships and commit to making necessary changes in their behavior, regardless of what is going on in their lives and how they feel about it."


Acceptance and Commitment Therapy
https://contextualscience.org/acthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509623/

I don’t actually know anything about ACT, but as described above, based on my experience with parents of autistic children, I would say this would be a good program for parents to follow. (Ie, not for use on children.)

 

[lunarious]

"Acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) is an action-oriented approach to psychotherapy that stems from traditional behavior therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy. Clients learn to stop avoiding, denying, and struggling with their inner emotions and, instead, accept that these deeper feelings are appropriate responses to certain situations that should not prevent them from moving forward in their lives. With this understanding, clients begin to accept their hardships and commit to making necessary changes in their behavior, regardless of what is going on in their lives and how they feel about it."


Acceptance and Commitment Therapy
https://contextualscience.org/acthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509623/

In Norway, for me i have APAS in FACT -team. These are words i've heard repeatedly.

ACT and FACT in Norway

ACT can mean many things like "Assertive Community Treatment". So thei're supposed to use stick instead of carrot with ACT. However they are all incompetent if i should measure their "assertiveness". They are all females in FACT (Flexible Assertiveness Community Treatment).

 

[tree]

" What Is Assertive Community Treatment (ACT)?​

The simple definition of assertive community treatment is an intensive, integrated approach to community mental health service delivery. What this means is that mental health services are provided in a community setting (rather than a more restrictive residential or hospital setting) to people experiencing serious mental illness.


The mission of ACT is to help people become independent and integrate into the community as they experience recovery.

Secondary goals include reducing homelessness and unnecessary hospital stays. In this way, ACT offers treatment in the "real world," and the team of professionals provides help using a "whole team" approach.


Many people have symptoms of mental illness that impact their ability to function in daily life and that land them in the hospital emergency department seeking services. ACT aims to reduce this reliance on hospitals by providing round-the-clock services to the people who need it most.


In this way, assertive community treatment could be expected to help to reduce preventable outcomes of mental illness, such as homelessness and substance abuse."

https://www.verywellmind.com/assertive-community-treatment-4587610

 

[lunarious]

And did you speak about ACT and Stick and Carrot? Shouldn't we speak about that? ... No we have freedom of speech, maybe.

From the Norwegian link in my post.

ACT stands for Assertive Community Treatment, or active outreach treatment team in Norwegian. The teams provide outreach and holistic services to adults with serious mental disorders who rarely seek help themselves, and who often also have substance abuse problems.

Edit: Assertive means attitude, means stick

 

[tree]

Assertive means attitude, means stick

It sounds like you're not happy about being in treatment and
you feel that it has been wrongly imposed upon you.

Assertion differs from aggression.
And it looks as if you're interpreting the services as being aggressive.

 

[lunarious]

It sounds like you're not happy about being in treatment and
you feel that it has been wrongly imposed upon you.

Assertion differs from aggression.
And it looks as if you're interpreting the services as being aggressive.

No. I know agressive is not assertive. This is a misunderstanding the world has.

I know increasingly though Negative ≠ Bad. Positive ≠ Good.

To start with, Zen Mind Beginners Mind (book): A good monk thinks he's a bad monk, a bad monk thinks he's a good monk. ... you see reference to this in "Equaliser 3" when Densel Washington met the Doctor. Also me I've been self proclaimed Negativist. And now i'm weak inside a house... like always. Because they are Positive.

They are confused. They have tried to kill me in order to convert me.

Edit: i'm 37 now. I don't know if the government can use stick with me. I'm aware of .. adulhood. In the past they could've Enforced (ESTJ) rules. But Yn*** quit because he hurt me deeply.

 

[tree]

Yes, it sounds like you find yourself in a difficult situation.

 

[lunarious]

Like many people. I don't know if my path, the Hard path is a good one.

I need someone to talk with about this, but that wouldn't be stick? And the person must acknowledge me..

 

[Neonatal RRT]

I don’t actually know anything about ACT, but as described above, based on my experience with parents of autistic children, I would say this would be a good program for parents to follow. (Ie, not for use on children.)

Yes and no. I would agree that all parties involved, the child and the family, need to go through a process of acceptance. Albeit, the immature brain and emotional maturity of a child presents its inherent challenges. Most young people tend to struggle with being "different" and simply want to be like everyone else. Even the mature adult can struggle with acceptance, as evidence of some of the posts on this forum.

The statement that @tree posted: "...Clients learn to stop avoiding, denying, and struggling with their inner emotions and, instead, accept that these deeper feelings are appropriate responses to certain situations that should not prevent them from moving forward in their lives. With this understanding, clients begin to accept their hardships and commit to making necessary changes in their behavior, regardless of what is going on in their lives and how they feel about it." Is good advice. People who ruminate and overthink their situation are often mired in depressive, sometimes self-sabotaging behaviors, low self-esteem, poor motivation, and can translate into avoiding responsibilities, learning opportunities, and goal-oriented behaviors. This is not good. The idea behind ACT appears to be on point, but like anything, it's not what you do, but how you do it that can make the difference between something successful and a failure.

Somehow related is the situation of the drug addict or alcoholic where there has to be some acceptance that they have a condition and there are things they can and cannot do in order to live a productive, positive life. It is related in the sense that as autistics, we must understand ourselves and accept who we are in order to live that productive, positive life. I know there are things I can and cannot do. I adapt and overcome. I am successful in my life because of my autism, not in spite of it. I don't operate like other people. Other people know this. I know this. I have the self-discipline to ignore my feelings and do what is necessary for myself, my family, and my job. I don't want anything to do with being like other people and being "normal", per se. I never had any form of ACT, I simply figured it all out on my own.

 

[lunarious]

To my limited exteroverted or exposed experience:

Are we saying ASD and ASD 1 can be Healed? Stupid Question..

I recognize i need to stop going this path i'm on ... this may require "major shifts".

Edit:

Things exalted then decay.
This is going against the Way.
What goes against the Way meets an early end.

 

[Au Naturel]

As I understand it, the point of acceptance is:

If you can't do anything about something, don't waste your life wishing and wanting things to be different. Accept it and move on. If you can do something, don't just wish about it. Do it and be satisfied that you've done what you could.

It is a common theme in Buddhism, Stoicism, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

In business, sports, and politics, I've heard often it expressed as "It is what it is." In Christianity, it is expressed in the Serenity Prayer.

It doesn't try to change your psychological skin but rather helps you accept the skin you are in. Once you accept the things you cannot change about yourself or others, you can put effort into changing that which you can.

...accept the things we cannot change,
the courage to change the things we can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

That is acceptance in a nutshell.

 

[lunarious]

On of the 12 Leaders, Imam Ali (as) says: Friendship with a liar is impossible.

I will not accept Liars. Courageously. The day I do i must be sick.

 

[lunarious]

It sounds like you're not happy about being in treatment and
you feel that it has been wrongly imposed upon you.

Yes. We have an agreement. They do not respect it - my word or their word.

Assertion differs from aggression.

Explain. Kindly.

And it looks as if you're interpreting the services as being aggressive.

No...

 

[lunarious]

As I understand it, the point of acceptance is:

If you can't do anything about something, don't waste your life wishing and wanting things to be different. Accept it and move on. If you can do something, don't just wish about it. Do it and be satisfied that you've done what you could.

It is a common theme in Buddhism, Stoicism, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

With respect to Buddhism and Stocism (to the extent they are good edit 3: and True).

Wanting (edit 2: or need) is not a question. Appearently "they" got intimidated.
A martial artist can turn Negativity over to Positivity like I said.

Edit 1: I mean the word in bold translates to Willpower.

 

[tree]

@lunarious

What is the agreement?

Is it written out someplace and signed by all parties?
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You could most likely look up the difference between
assertion and aggression.

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You keep using the phrase "stick or carrot."

What does that refer to?

 

[lunarious]

@lunarious

What is the agreement?

Is it written out someplace and signed by all parties?
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You could most likely look up the difference between
assertion and aggression.

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Yes. I sent you a link once upon a time. Where I say and do. What did I do? Defenestration.

So I'm a man of Honor.

Imam Ali was ruler of Two Continents (Eurabia maybe): He walked with his bodyguards and saw an old beggar, he recognized he was Jew. I heard also he was Christian.

Imam Ali asked his followers what is this? They said it's just a beggar.

He said: Do you use him when he is young and strong, then when he's old you throw him to the dogs? Go and take him to the House of money.

He was Just.

I grant you/them the ability to keep word ... to keep your Honor i kind/mean.

You keep using the phrase "stick or carrot."

What does that refer to?

Stick, you can use it to assert your power over a Dog. You can alternatively punish the Dog with it. You can as third option give the Dog/Horse a reward through the carrot.

Or you can use the stick as a fishing rod and trick the Horse to pull, by hanging a carrot.

Carrot refers to reweard. Stick refers to punishment.

 

[tree]

I know that 'carrot' is a reward and 'stick' means punishment.

How do either of those figure into your current situation?

Who has the carrot?
Who is wielding the stick?

Which sense of the word 'defenestration' concerns you more?
Being thrown out a window?
Or being removed from a place of honor?

 

[lunarious]

In our age we have AI and algoriths. They have indeed signed.

@tree