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another sensless shooting by police

biblophile

biblophile

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The police shot and killed a 74 year old man with dementia out side his home yesterday. It is getting to the point where the police are as dangerous as the criminals. The man left his house in a confused state and was wandering in his neighbors drive way across from his own house at about ten at night. His neighbor called the police concerned about her disabled neighbor. She informed the dispatcher about the mans dementia, who dutifully informed the officers who were going to respond . When the police arrived the man walked in their direction so they shot him dead in his neighbors drive way.
I am sickened by the behavior of these gun wielding cowboy cops who shoot first and ask questions later. is this the old west? Should every investigation turn into the shoot out at the ok coral? Some one has dropped the ball here, is it their training, or lack there of that turns these servants of the people into assassins? It dose not help that they are always acquitted of any wrong doing by the courts, that the worst punishment they may face is a suspension with pay.
I know I avoid the police, they are the last people I would ask for help.
 
****ing cops in America. Makes me never want to visit the place, the police are more dangerous than the criminals it would seem. I bet the police officers won't face consequences for their actions either.
 
Southern Discomfort said:
****ing cops in America. Makes me never want to visit the place, the police are more dangerous than the criminals it would seem. I bet the police officers won't face consequences for their actions either.
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i feel the same way southern comfort, ive been seriously thinking of going there since i was a child but the way things are now with neurologically different; especially autistic people i would seriously worry how i would be dealt with if i showed challenging behavior at any point which would be likely being out of my comfort zones,ive got spinal nerve damage from police over here so i worry about the even worse treatment american police give.

i feel sorry for this guy with dementia, he was totally innocent,he has enough to put up with without sht from cops.
 
It sounds like they need better training. It sounds like too much emphasis is put on shooting first to protect yourself without fully considering the individual's mental state or disabilities. They're almost never held accountable either.

De-escalation training, I think its called. Police need to be just as well trained on how to handle a violent criminal as they are a confused old man with dementia or a disabled individual exhibiting challenging behavior because of their condition.
 
Southern Discomfort said:
****ing cops in America. Makes me never want to visit the place, the police are more dangerous than the criminals it would seem. I bet the police officers won't face consequences for their actions either.
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The cops will likely walk free. I think I it is time to move to another country.
 
Nitro said:
Yeah.I agree,you didn't look close enough. Did I waste my time posting an article that provided more detail?
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I hadn't heard because the media failed to mention that detail, or it had yet to be released. I guess the police have never heard of non lethal force.
 
Kari Suttle said:
It sounds like they need better training. It sounds like too much emphasis is put on shooting first to protect yourself without fully considering the individual's mental state or disabilities. They're almost never held accountable either.

De-escalation training, I think its called. Police need to be just as well trained on how to handle a violent criminal as they are a confused old man with dementia or a disabled individual exhibiting challenging behavior because of their condition.
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Exactly, being a police officer is about protecting the public, and that usually doesn't mean shooting people.
 
Bakersfield is a very dangerous place. They are ranked #7 out of 100 where the safest cities are ranked at 100. Do the math.


I posted that about two hours after you posted it first.
If an officer of the law is confronted with what had appeared to be someone intent on using deadly force who did not respond to repeated requests to do as told,what do think he should have done? The police were called because he was acting erratic to begin with.
The officer didn't shoot him until he was less than 20 feet away.
If you had your hands in your pockets holding an object that could quite well be a firearm and I asked you not to move forward, I was armed and you still came at me,expect me to shoot first.
Maybe you are right,he should have tried to talk him down and possibly die as a result of making a "better" decision such as using a taser.

Na,on second thought,screw him,he is only a no good cop. That is his job to die.
 
biblophile said:
The police shot and killed a 74 year old man with dementia out side his home yesterday. It is getting to the point where the police are as dangerous as the criminals. The man left his house in a confused state and was wandering in his neighbors drive way across from his own house at about ten at night. His neighbor called the police concerned about her disabled neighbor. She informed the dispatcher about the mans dementia, who dutifully informed the officers who were going to respond . When the police arrived the man walked in their direction so they shot him dead in his neighbors drive way.
I am sickened by the behavior of these gun wielding cowboy cops who shoot first and ask questions later. is this the old west? Should every investigation turn into the shoot out at the ok coral? Some one has dropped the ball here, is it their training, or lack there of that turns these servants of the people into assassins? It dose not help that they are always acquitted of any wrong doing by the courts, that the worst punishment they may face is a suspension with pay.
I know I avoid the police, they are the last people I would ask for help.
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This scares the sh*t out of me. I have meltdowns BAD. Last year or so a man was shot who had autism. He had even posted a video of his metldowns and how his dog helped him. He had a knife to hurt himself so the cops shot him DEAD.
 
Nitro said:
Bakersfield is a very dangerous place. They are ranked #7 out of 100 where the safest cities are ranked at 100. Do the math.


I posted that about two hours after you posted it first.
If an officer of the law is confronted with what had appeared to be someone intent on using deadly force who did not respond to repeated requests to do as told,what do think he should have done? The police were called because he was acting erratic to begin with.
The officer didn't shoot him until he was less than 20 feet away.
If you had your hands in your pockets holding an object that could quite well be a firearm and I asked you not to move forward, I was armed and you still came at me,expect me to shoot first.
Maybe you are right,he should have tried to talk him down and possibly die as a result of making a "better" decision such as using a taser.

Na,on second thought,screw him,he is only a no good cop. That is his job to die.
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I know the police have a dangerous job and most police are well trained and do not act on impulse, that being said the police are not well trained when it comes to dealing with the mentally ill. Police negligence in that area is what led to my Step Fathers suicide.
 
biblophile said:
I know the police have a dangerous job and most police are well trained and do not act on impulse, that being said the police are not well trained when it comes to dealing with the mentally ill. Police negligence in that area is what led to my Step Fathers suicide.
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How is an officer trained to see thru clothing?
 
Nitro said:
How is an officer trained to see thru clothing?
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I see what you are saying, but this puts civilians at risk needlessly. My great grandmother who had Alzheimer's died and she would get confused too. Chances are most people with dementia/Alzheimer's aren't looking to shoot cops - they're just lost, confused, etc. They knew from the caller themselves the man had dementia and seemed confused. This gave them context.

Another thing. How big were these pockets of his? Big enough to the man's hand holding a loaded gun? Was any form visible through the pockets to indicate that what the man was holding was even a large item? Yes, defend yourself, but for the love of god don't put a bullet in everybody that *might* be a threat! This is WHY some people fear the police.

Tasers are a thing, the police should be equipped with them and trained to USE THEM first if they have not had visual verification that the individual is holding a weapon. From every video I've seen on the news, a taser will down someone just as well as a bullet without killing them in the process.
 
Did you actually read any of the articles? He was wearing a jacket. The authorities were NOT notified he had dementia,they were notified that someone was acting erratic possibly had a weapon that COULD well have been a firearm. He tried to get a neighbor out of their home so he could confront them.He asked the woman who called the police if he could get in her friend's car. The friend then sped off when he tried to enter the car as she notified the authorities.

You weren't there,and I'm pretty sure you have never been on the ugly side of a firearm. The man did NOT respond to repeated requests to show his hands.
Chances are in that type of situation,if the man that got killed WAS holding an actual weapon,how many people did he put at risk at that point in time?

Yes,it's a crying shame that he was shot and killed,I'll give you that. I've worked in ghetto areas and have been on the ugly end of a gun before.Late night in Detroit to be exact.I still carry a scar from the night I got very lucky and was only winged. The tow rig didn't fair so well with several holes in it and the side torn off it getting away.I knew the risk up front and made damned sure that the odds were kept as even as possible,but I still got hit.

If your loved ones have dementia,it would probably be a good idea to not let them take walks in a crime ridden area late at night without supervision.
 
The police, like a soldier agree to take certain risks as part of their job, that is why we commend them for their service. Their training and equipment, bullet proof vests etc... are meant to help keep them as safe as possible.
Civilians on the other hand who are all ready at risk from crime should be able to trust police to protect them, not be an additional threat.
 
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