Are GMO foods safe if the mRNA vaccine is safe?

[Magna]

If mRNA vaccines modify the human body genetically that means mRNA vaccinated people are then Genetically Modified Organisms. Since it appears mRNA vaccines are safe after millions of doses, does that mean that GMO foods are safe as well? Assuming the majority of people don't have an issue with being GMOs will that mean that GMO food labeling and concern about eating GMO foods will be less of a concern in the future?

 

[Yeshuasdaughter]

GMOs are sadly in so much of our food, and even organic crops can't help it if they're cross pollenated with local GMO crops.

It's inescapable. I really hate it. I eat regular, standard American food, most of it healthy, and from scratch, and it does gross me out that so much of it is frankenfood.

 

[ForestGumpett]

We just got a bunch of organic vegetable seeds for when we move. Also plan on having some chickens for the eggs and will be picky at what they eat, bugs and veggies should be what chickens usually eat I think? We will be in another medical marijuana state too and plan on growing that to keep the GMO’s off of it, the laws allow that and we wish to put it in our food and really had rather grow our own of everything.

 

[Gerald Wilgus]

My objection with GMO crops is not the genetic changes, per se, it is the use that they are put to, such as chemical resistance, which is used to promote heavier pesticide use. Fenceline to fenceline planting of vast areas of monoculture represents a desert to beneficial insects and pollinators.

 

[Crossbreed]

If mRNA vaccines modify the human body genetically that means mRNA vaccinated people are then Genetically Modified Organisms.

(At least, they will no longer have to fear

being eaten by GMOphobes... )​

 

[SakuraRoseMilkTea]

I'm going to be honest here: I don't really care about what I'm putting into my body at this point. I have so many sensory issues, so many problems with eating healthy, that if I eat a clean strawberry suddenly it's bad for me? I give up honestly. As long as I'm not dying I guess I'm fine.

 

[Martha Ferris]

Please go to this website: The Truth About GMOs: Are They Safe? What Do We Know? (webmd.com)

 

[Yeshuasdaughter]

I did an experiment about eight years ago:

I used to own a kombucha company, and I wanted to see how different sweeteners would change the outcome.

I put different jugs with equal amounts of tea, starter liquid, and pieces of scoby from the same brew.

I then put a different sweetener in each one:

*organic sugar
*grocery store brand sugar
*high fructose corn syrup

I found that out of the two regular sugars, the one with the grocery store brand and created the fattest scoby, but a beverage that was less fizzy and dry. While the one with organic sugar produced a fizzier, more satisfying beverage. I believe the conventional sugar one grew the fatter scoby, due to the detoxifying property of kombucha leaching out the pesticides.

The corn syrup absolutely killed the kombucha culture and it rotted.

I tried to replicate the process and got the same results time and again.

 

[Varzar]

If mRNA vaccines modify the human body genetically that means mRNA vaccinated people are then Genetically Modified Organisms.

They don't change our DNA, so we are not GMOs.
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Since it appears mRNA vaccines are safe after millions of doses, does that mean that GMO foods are safe as well?

One thing has nothing to do with the other. You can't draw any conclusion about GMO foods based on the safety of mRNA vaccines. It's illogical.

Assuming the majority of people don't have an issue with being GMOs will that mean that GMO food labeling and concern about eating GMO foods will be less of a concern in the future?

And going back to the first part, we're not GMOs, and that makes this comparison also illogical.

 

[Kalinychta]

The GMO crops market is worth about $18 billion dollars, and the pharmaceutical industry is worth over $1 trillion… Money is power. The chances of getting the truth about what is and isn’t safe are slim to none.

 

[Magna]

They don't change our DNA, so we are not GMOs.
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines



One thing has nothing to do with the other. You can't draw any conclusion about GMO foods based on the safety of mRNA vaccines. It's illogical.



And going back to the first part, we're not GMOs, and that makes this comparison also illogical.

Thank you for posting this info.

I don't understand where some information is coming from or what data it's being based on. Example, especially the last sentence in bold:

"Comirnaty (The Pfizer vaccine) works by preparing the body to defend itself against COVID-19. It contains a molecule called mRNA which has instructions for making the spike protein. This is a protein on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 virus which the virus needs to enter the body’s cells.

When a person is given the vaccine, some of their cells will read the mRNA instructions and temporarily produce the spike protein. The person’s immune system will then recognise this protein as foreign and produce antibodies and activate T cells (white blood cells) to attack it.

If, later on, the person comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2 virus, their immune system will recognise it and be ready to defend the body against it.

The mRNA from the vaccine does not stay in the body but is broken down shortly after vaccination."

Where are people getting the idea that I've seen that mRNA vaccines alter a person's genetic makeup potentially for life in ways yet unknown? Or the idea that the mRNA vaccines can turn a person's organs (e.g. reproductive organs) into spike protein factories over an extended period of time resulting in a "cytokine storm" with the body not just attacking the spike proteins it builds for a few hours but attacking itself in prolonged severity to cause organ damage?

Does anyone have any supporting info to ^ or is it completely baseless?

 

[Crossbreed]

@Magna, in engineering endeavors, there are always two types of results:

1. its desired effect and
2. the Law of Unintended Consequences.

#1 is watched for.
#2 is just "wait & see."

 

[Varzar]

Where are people getting the idea that I've seen that mRNA vaccines alter a person's genetic makeup potentially for life in ways yet unknown? Or the idea that the mRNA vaccines can turn a person's organs (e.g. reproductive organs) into spike protein factories over an extended period of time resulting in a "cytokine storm" with the body not just attacking the spike proteins it builds for a few hours but attacking itself in prolonged severity to cause organ damage?

Does anyone have any supporting info to ^ or is it completely baseless?

I have looked, but not found anything from any credible source. So my present conclusion is it's baseless.
But, I'm always open to reading something else... At this point, it would have to be pretty compelling though to counter all the other scientific studies already published.

 

[ForestGumpett]

I also use to make my own Kombucha and also found organic Sugar to be the best, did a second “cure” with organic fruit, usually frozen , for a few more days to give it the flavor.

Haven’t made it in years. Could before too long if I had buyers at the new to us farmers market.

We are looking into Hydroponics next for maters and weed, we will have the perfect basement to grow in.

There is another couple of rooms in the basement that would also work for the kombucha if I can find an organic source.

I did an experiment about eight years ago:

I used to own a kombucha company, and I wanted to see how different sweeteners would change the outcome.

I put different jugs with equal amounts of tea, starter liquid, and pieces of scoby from the same brew.

I then put a different sweetener in each one:

*organic sugar
*grocery store brand sugar
*high fructose corn syrup

I found that out of the two regular sugars, the one with the grocery store brand and created the fattest scoby, but a beverage that was less fizzy and dry. While the one with organic sugar produced a fizzier, more satisfying beverage. I believe the conventional sugar one grew the fatter scoby, due to the detoxifying property of kombucha leaching out the pesticides.

The corn syrup absolutely killed the kombucha culture and it rotted.

I tried to replicate the process and got the same results time and again.

 

[ForestGumpett]

It seems the science changes by the day/month/mood?

Why is it that there is so much conflicting information? All countries it seems not just one or two?

I have looked, but not found anything from any credible source. So my present conclusion is it's baseless.
But, I'm always open to reading something else... At this point, it would have to be pretty compelling though to counter all the other scientific studies already published.

 

[Varzar]

It seems the science changes by the day/month/mood?

Why is it that there is so much conflicting information? All countries it seems not just one or two?

I would say the "good science" has not been changing much at all.
So, scientists follow scientific method: Scientific method - Wikipedia

The scientific method is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century (with notable practitioners in previous centuries). It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation. It involves formulating hypotheses, via induction, based on such observations; experimental and measurement-based testing of deductions drawn from the hypotheses; and refinement (or elimination) of the hypotheses based on the experimental findings.

This process is not without some scientists doing a bad job (just like any other profession).
Note the bolded part above. This is one way we can occasionally end up with bad science making inaccurate claims. Typically, the good scientists are then going to come along to peer review their colleagues' work, realize the cognitive assumptions made by the bad scientists, and correct them.

Unfortunately, in this world of social media and news frenzy, by the time the good scientists have come back to say, "um, no. that makes no sense.", half the population has already heard about the bad science and has committed to it as something they believe (cause it's science!). And the media never seems as fascinated by the corrections as they do the extraordinary claims made by bad science. Bad science is more sensational and gets more clicks than good science I suppose.

And then of course there's other people out there just making stuff up without any scientific backing whatsoever.. They aren't even scientists, but I guess if they are "influencer" enough on social media, that also takes off.

My suggestion for trying to follow science news is to ignore the media, and go straight to the scientific organizations doing the studies. And even then, have patience until what is first published gets corroborated by other studies. Once it's got some corroboration, then we can start to think it's got some reasonable certainty to it.

 

[ForestGumpett]

Okay. Got info, and I do appreciate it. I’m in the school of “ U-First” and “Wait-N-See Community college”, with having Hyperlipidemia and Antiphospholipid syndrome, and from what I’ve read I’m not a candidate for this vaccine.

My brother died at just 50yo from Antiphospholipid syndrome no way am I going to take this shot!

 

[SusanLR]

Everybody's systems are different.
There will always be those with something that can make certain medicines or vaccines deadly.
Problem is knowing what they are before getting them.
I can't take antihistamines and steroids due to an HPA axis disorder.
But, I didn't know I had that until I was given an antiemetic for nausea in that group and
ended up in the hospital with anaphalaxis shock.

I listen to those long, fast endings on drug commercials and they are illogical for saying if you are
allergic to the (med name), do not take.
How would you know if you're allergic if you've never taken the med?
Then they list off all the things it can do to you. I've done a lot of reading in the past when
learning to be a pharmacist, what ALL medicines have a potential of doing.
Read the list on Ibuprofen and no one would want to take it. Yet it is used constantly.
It can be a hard decision and I don't take anymore medicine than absolutely necessary.

I was in the You First group on the vaccinations also. Hoped others would take it enough to
get things under control and I wouldn't have to take it. Didn't happen.
So I ended up taking it. Leery, yes, because of the new mRNA method, but, I have to see
doctors and have health issues. And it didn't seem to put me in the do not take group.

I agree it seems to be social media spread ideas that have the split so badly on the subject.
They made children take a lot of vaccines that we didn't know a lot about back when I started school.
Even more new ones later that I missed out on.
I didn't like the idea of that even then, but, no one was going around fighting over it like now.
Life is a roll of the dice in everything. Be wise and self educate as much as possible on anything
medical. I reluctantly go with the science based conclusions before wild imaginations posted
in social media.

 

[tree]

Can the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines affect my genetic code?
"...GMOs are different to the mRNA technology used to make COVID vaccines. Unlike GMOs, which are produced by inserting DNA into the genome, vaccine mRNA will not be in our genes or passed to the next generation. It’s broken down very quickly."


What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work?: MedlinePlus Genetics.

COVID-19 Vaccine Facts.

 

[GrownupGirl]

The whole "GMO food bad" thing is nothing but a bunch of pseudoscience. If it was really that bad for you we should have all turned into grotesque mutants a long time ago.