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Aspie husband???

MrsMc910

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Hi everyone. I am married to a man that I highly suspect has AS. This all came about because of the issues with our 4 year old son that have been building, but recently I have taken action to help us with the next step of diagnosis/getting help. I am almost 99% sure both of them have AS or, at the very least, are on the spectrum.

The very beginning of our relationship was intoxicating. He was so smitten with me and I ate up every second of it. Call it being a Leo or insecure of whatever, but I sometimes love feeling like the center of someone’s universe and cannot stand to be ignored, especially by someone I am romantically involved with. My issues need work.

Anyways, on top of this, we are both recovering alcoholics who meant each other through other friends at AA. I was in active recovery, him not so much. He eventually did relapse and was drinking a lot, lost his job, etc. I have always had issues with wanting something that I knew was bad for me (hence the alcoholism), but I really wanted to stay sober and become a better mother to my children. I wanted a better life. I stepped back from him. He pursued me hard. I finally gave him an ultimatum one morning. Work the program to get sober and find a job or I was gone.

By that afternoon, he had a temp construction job and vowed to never have another drink again. He wanted to be with me and would do anything to get that. How could I say no to a man who was trying so hard? I gave in. We moved in together very quickly. I felt drawn to him magnetically. He was so giving and selfless and hardworking and he never made me feel unwanted. We were both working, but still struggling financially to make ends meet. We were both hell bent on giving our children and our selves a better life. We made an amazing team. Where I lacked, he picked up and vice versa. It felt perfect. I had hope for the future.

He had quirks, but "who didn't?'' I told myself. He was different than most men. He didn't watch or play sports, but loved working on cars and he was great at it. He loved video games and could get lost in that for hours. He was loud and funny and I loved how he was different from all the other men I had ever known. He was authentic and he was mine.

I got pregnant. Financially, we knew we couldn't afford another child. He had one daughter and I had a daughter and a son. We could barely pay the essential bills on what we were making at the time. Emotionally, we both agreed that this was a blessing, a new start for us. We would know what mistakes what not to make this time. He was so happy. I was scared, but I did want another baby, maybe just not so soon. None of that mattered. I was pregnant. A baby was coming. Like it or not.

Very soon after we found out I was pregnant, the jealousy started to flow out of him. If I left the house, he would call multiple times (sometimes every 10 minutes or more). He had trouble sleeping (always has) and I would wake up in the middle of the night to him going through my phone. It would take a lot for him to come out and accuse me of anything. He would act terrible for a few hours or so and I would complain and he would finally come out and say he thinks I am cheating on him, etc. Mind you, I was pregnant and had horrible morning sickness. Sex was the last thing on my mind. He would always stew on these thoughts for hours, which I found odd. I grew up in a family where everything was laid out in the open. There were no secrets. If someone was unhappy with you, you knew it. There was no guessing.

This new version of the man I loved was infuriating. All of it. I hated myself. How could I not see this before? Who was this person? I am having a baby by a man who doesn't trust me and then doesn't respect me enough to talk to me about it. I cried and screamed for what felt like months. I hated feeling like our new start, our new life was a nothing but a sham. I felt trapped and hopeless, but I am a fighter and I always have been. I knew I could fix this.

More screaming, more crying. If I could just get him to see. I would spend hours explaining and feeling frustrated when I left the conversation the same way we had started it. I threatened to leave. I couldn't live like this. That got his attention. He didn't want to lose me. Things got better, then bad again. It was an endless cycle that I got sucked into over and over again. He did get better over time. It was like I had to earn his trust over the years. It was exhausting and hurtful and I resented him for it.

On top of this, his quirks seemed to be more pronounced and he would refuse to change any of them that affected us. He was very paranoid. The doors had to be dead bolted at all times. He would check to make sure they were locked over and over again. He had his own set of rules to live by that he taught our daughter before I met them. (I call her mine because her Mom dies when she was 6 and she needed me) He had to wear an undershirt every day. If he did not have a clean undershirt, he would be late to work to buy new ones, as he could not proceed with his day without having one on. He was blunt and had no problem telling someone his negative thoughts about anything (although he couldn't do it with me during fights). He also did not understand why he could not say or act however he wanted to. He was a terrible driver and still to this day, does not understand that he has to put his blinker on to let the other drivers know he wants to get over)

While all of this was going on, he was still very attentive and sweet (sounds insane I know) He never made me feel unloved or unwanted. If anything, I felt smothered. How ironic that I fell in love with how obsessed he was with me. If I had an issue, I would bring it up. He always took it as a direct attack on his character. Any issues or emotional conversations were shut down quickly. I was crazy. I was overreacting. I was out of control according to him. Our sex life was and still is never lacking. If anything, I was made to feel guilty if I didn't feel like having sex. It was like it appetite for it was never fulfilled. We never actually made love. There was no emotional connections during it, but it was great, besides that.

I started to feel like just an object, a plaything for him. It was not that he didn't make sure I was satisfied, because he did. He just didn't seem to want to connect emotionally during it or anytime really. I felt like I was losing myself in a way but didn't really understand any of it until very recently.

Our son was born. Things got better. Years of my frustration and screaming and bitching seemed to make him want to change or to simply make me shut up. I felt like maybe he was just very much a macho male who refused to see things from any way but his. I never thought it would be this. Life continued. We trudged on. We decided to get married, so we did last year. Things have changed for the better with the jealousy. He rarely acts this way anymore.

Part of me thinks, now that I am suspicious of his having AS, that I was one of his obsessions in the beginning but it has faded off now. Still to this day, I have never questioned his love for me or his loyalty to our marriage or our family. He is a provider and a protector and I am so grateful for that. However, a good portion of my time has always been taken up by having to ''reign'' him in.

He gets something in his head and he has to do it. His thoughts are so obsessive. He has never seemed to pick up on cues. Even cues that involved me stomping and huffing and puffing while doing all the cooking and cleaning in our house. Sorry, not sorry, its 2017 and I work full time just as much as him. I will not stand to be walked on and have all the household duties fall on me. I am not having it for a minute.

He says I just have to tell him what to do. We tried him taking the ''laundry'' to help me out. (There is 6 of us, so this is an immense help) He did great for two weeks, then he fell off. If I casually hinted about the laundry, it seemed to go over his head. He recently got a promotion to foreman at his job. Since then, once we get home from work, he is perfectly content with laying in our bed and watching TV or playing games for hours. It hurts my feelings, more so for our children. It feels like he doesn't want to be around us, but he says he is just tired. So, I complain about having to do everything. He says tell me what to do. I will. He doesn't do it. I ask again, admittedly, not so nice the second time and he gets upset. All I ever do is complain and ***** at him.

It’s a catch 22. If he doesn't get my hints or cues, and I have to ask numerous times, then I am bitching and should back off of him. What do you do? It is beyond frustrating. He has been diagnosed with OCD and he grew up in a rough neighborhood. I used to attribute a lot of his behaviors to this, but stumbled across the symptoms of AS while researching for my son and I immediately felt a sense of relief. Finally some answers.

So, I know some of this behavior cannot be helped, but I am still resentful and angry. Why should he get a free pass? Why do I have to be the one who does everything for our family? How do I let go of this anger and resentment? I have full blown anxiety that I believe is from our relationship (and my past but has been magnified by my relationship with him).

Any help or feedback is appreciated. I love my husband and want to help him. Divorce is not an option. I want to be with him and am committed to making this work. Am I crazy? I must be crazy. I feel guilty even writing this as I don't want to change the person he is. Some insight would be very helpful right now...
 
Hey everyone,

What do you all think?

Normally I would say 'seek professional diagnosis' and it is dangerous for unqualified medical professionals to speculate, but to hell with it. With all the recent stories about useless and lazy psychiatrists, I'm going to take a completely uneducated stab at it!

So definite no to bipolar or borderline. Definite no to adhd. Definite yes to OCD. Possible aspergers, possible autism.

Let's take a closer look! So as an HFA aspie myself I would say:

He wanted to be with me and would do anything to get that

Not really aspie, kind of romantic.

He loved video games and could get lost in that for hours

Yes, aspie for several reasons, firstly the hyperfocus and secondly the escape, sensory overload is quite common, so we need to tune out regularly.

He just didn't seem to want to connect emotionally during it or anytime really

Yes, aspie. It's not that we "don't want" to connect, it's simply that our brains work differently. We connect differently. And we are not as needy ;)

He had to wear an undershirt every day. If he did not have a clean undershirt, he would be late to work to buy new ones, as he could not proceed with his day without having one on.

Well, not typically aspie, more OCD.

I felt like maybe he was just very much a macho male who refused to see things from any way but his.

Yes aspie, but it's more that we don't understand that there is another way. I am very logical, very black and white, logical to a fault. I struggle to comprehend that people want to perform inane actions like smalltalk and wearing deodorant. I don't "refuse" to see things any other way, I just couldn't comprehend that there COULD be another way.

Things have changed for the better with the jealousy. He rarely acts this way anymore. Part of me thinks, now that I am suspicious of his having AS, that I was one of his obsessions in the beginning but it has faded off now.

Well I don't know, when you say "I was one of his obsessions", it sounds like you are trivializing it.

Even if you are right and you are an obsession, that's not really a fair way to think about it. Aspie obsessions are different to OCD, we don't need things lined up in a row. An obsession for an aspie is not a trivial matter, it is a calling, it's a lifelong goal. Would you say that Einstein was "obsessed" by physics? Or Romeo was "obsessed" by Juliet? Not really.

Maybe a better word for it is "consumed".

My "obsessions" have been with me for decades and will likely be with me until I die. We are obsessed by something for a reason. Like it fascinates us, or we are entranced by something. It's like hyper-interest. Most people would have a hobby that they occasionally indulge in, we care so much about the hobby that it can consume us. But there has to be something there to begin with. So it's not about things "being an obsession", it's about hyper-focus, it's about laser focus, all our attention (which can be vast) is centered on one place.

He gets something in his head and he has to do it. His thoughts are so obsessive.

Not sure where the line is between OCD and aspergers here.

It feels like he doesn't want to be around us, but he says he is just tired. So, I complain about having to do everything.

To you, yes. But that's not the case. Has he had episodes? Like meltdowns or shutdowns? Aspies take in a lot of information and can form patterns, sometimes we need quiet time to process it all and sort through it. If not we overload.

He doesn't do it. I ask again, admittedly, not so nice the second time and he gets upset. All I ever do is complain and ***** at him. It’s a catch 22. If he doesn't get my hints or cues, and I have to ask numerous times, then I am bitching and should back off of him. What do you do?

Is he quite literal? If so, this reminds me of me and my husband 15 years ago.

My gosh did he nag me, on and on and on and on. He would also say things like "I do everything" and drone on about things having to be done and clothes having to be cleaned.

Fast forward 3000 arguments and we have an understanding.

Basically, most of what he asked me to do, I saw as unnecessary, I mean do we REALLY need clean clothes ALL the time? I don't think so. He did. And he would ask me to hoover floors that seemed perfectly clean. Also, he would ask me to do something when I was right in the middle of something! And aspies can't context switch quickly. Then he would say, fine, do it when you are ready. But his version of "ready" was under 8 minutes and my version of "ready" was about 2 hours...

So our solutions were
  • He promised to give me fair warning and not interrupt me, he would say "please do the hoovering saturday morning".
  • He promised to rationalize his requests like "if you don't hoover we will get ants".
  • I promised not to trivialize his requests and ask if we "really had to do it".
  • He promised to be specific, like saying "there are clothes in the washing bin, please move these to the washing machine. And turn the washing machine on"
  • I promised to note down his requests and not get distracted, wonder off and forget about them.
  • He promised to stop whining and claiming he does everything and promised to articulate specific requests
  • I promised to take some initiative and if I saw a bunch of distributed items of similar nature, I would move them to the same place, apparently this is called 'tidying'
So, I know some of this behavior cannot be helped, but I am still resentful and angry. Why should he get a free pass?

He doesn't. That's entirely in your head. Your resentment is your choice and you need to nip it in the bud. Every time it hits, imagine taking it out of your head and throwing it away.

No one gets a free pass. Just because I have aspergers, it's not an excuse to treat people badly. I don't ask for special treatment for being a woman so I'm not going to ask for special treatment for being an aspie. Sure, I struggle with normal day to day things, but so does everyone. People have too many emotions, or can't do maths, or are afraid of heights. There is no such thing as a 'free pass'. However, when someone has an issue, or a struggle, then if either they (or those that care for them) can grow to understand the reasons, how the brain is reacting, then it is an easy workaround.

For example, I can't stand crowds, or being around people. I used to push them away by being mean, but when I got older and began to understand the anxiety, I took steps to compensate, developed coping mechanisms. But it's never an excuse.

Am I crazy? I must be crazy. I feel guilty even writing this as I don't want to change the person he is. Some insight would be very helpful right now...

No. You are not crazy. You are incredible. After all you have gone through, to keep trying, to do research, to do what is best for your family, that is nothing short of incredible. I have 2 kids and that is hard enough, to have 4 in your life and still find time to help your husband is absolutely amazing, good on you. :)

Also, there are online tests that help explain aspergers and autism, you probably know him well enough to guess the answers and take them for him. Certainly my husband looked at all the questions and said "yes, that's you, that's you, yes, that is too...!"

My favourite: Aspie Quiz

Aspie tests

Yale-Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale

It's a spectrum, no one is aspergers or not, they just have traits that lean one way or the other. I lean very strongly to aspie but not at all to OCD, my husband is the COMPLETE and utter opposite.
 
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He sounds like he could have OCD and possible autism. If he can't do emotions, I would still suggest you bring this up with a doctor and discuss how to fix this. A professional may be able to help.
 
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It is tricky finding a good therapist, but sometimes you have to try to find one anyway. You seem to be kind of stuck with your husband. It appears that you could use some form of arbitration or counseling.

If you have stuck with, or still have contact with your AA groups, can you have your sponsors help you out or recommend someone?

Do you know a clergymember that both you and your husband like? They can sometimes help couples sort out differences.

Sometimes a GP will help a couple work out problems or maybe recommend s good counselor or therapist. You can also ask friends and acquaintances for recommendations for good therapists.
 
Hey everyone,

What do you all think?

Normally I would say 'seek professional diagnosis' and it is dangerous for unqualified medical professionals to speculate, but to hell with it. With all the recent stories about useless and lazy psychiatrists, I'm going to take a completely uneducated stab at it!

So definite no to bipolar or borderline. Definite no to adhd. Definite yes to OCD. Possible aspergers, possible autism.

Let's take a closer look! So as an HFA aspie myself I would say:



Not really aspie, kind of romantic.



Yes, aspie for several reasons, firstly the hyperfocus and secondly the escape, sensory overload is quite common, so we need to tune out regularly.



Yes, aspie. It's not that we "don't want" to connect, it's simply that our brains work differently. We connect differently. And we are not as needy ;)



Well, not typically aspie, more OCD.



Yes aspie, but it's more that we don't understand that there is another way. I am very logical, very black and white, logical to a fault. I struggle to comprehend that people want to perform inane actions like smalltalk and wearing deodorant. I don't "refuse" to see things any other way, I just couldn't comprehend that there COULD be another way.



Well I don't know, when you say "I was one of his obsessions", it sounds like you are trivializing it.

Even if you are right and you are an obsession, that's not really a fair way to think about it. Aspie obsessions are different to OCD, we don't need things lined up in a row. An obsession for an aspie is not a trivial matter, it is a calling, it's a lifelong goal. Would you say that Einstein was "obsessed" by physics? Or Romeo was "obsessed" by Juliet? Not really.

Maybe a better word for it is "consumed".

My "obsessions" have been with me for decades and will likely be with me until I die. We are obsessed by something for a reason. Like it fascinates us, or we are entranced by something. It's like hyper-interest. Most people would have a hobby that they occasionally indulge in, we care so much about the hobby that it can consume us. But there has to be something there to begin with. So it's not about things "being an obsession", it's about hyper-focus, it's about laser focus, all our attention (which can be vast) is centered on one place.



Not sure where the line is between OCD and aspergers here.



To you, yes. But that's not the case. Has he had episodes? Like meltdowns or shutdowns? Aspies take in a lot of information and can form patterns, sometimes we need quiet time to process it all and sort through it. If not we overload.



Is he quite literal? If so, this reminds me of me and my husband 15 years ago.

My gosh did he nag me, on and on and on and on. He would also say things like "I do everything" and drone on about things having to be done and clothes having to be cleaned.

Fast forward 3000 arguments and we have an understanding.

Basically, most of what he asked me to do, I saw as unnecessary, I mean do we REALLY need clean clothes ALL the time? I don't think so. He did. And he would ask me to hoover floors that seemed perfectly clean. Also, he would ask me to do something when I was right in the middle of something! And aspies can't context switch quickly. Then he would say, fine, do it when you are ready. But his version of "ready" was under 8 minutes and my version of "ready" was about 2 hours...

So our solutions were
  • He promised to give me fair warning and not interrupt me, he would say "please do the hoovering saturday morning".
  • He promised to rationalize his requests like "if you don't hoover we will get ants".
  • I promised not to trivialize his requests and ask if we "really had to do it".
  • He promised to be specific, like saying "there are clothes in the washing bin, please move these to the washing machine. And turn the washing machine on"
  • I promised to note down his requests and not get distracted, wonder off and forget about them.
  • He promised to stop whining and claiming he does everything and promised to articulate specific requests
  • I promised to take some initiative and if I saw a bunch of distributed items of similar nature, I would move them to the same place, apparently this is called 'tidying'


He doesn't. That's entirely in your head. Your resentment is your choice and you need to nip it in the bud. Every time it hits, imagine taking it out of your head and throwing it away.

No one gets a free pass. Just because I have aspergers, it's not an excuse to treat people badly. I don't ask for special treatment for being a woman so I'm not going to ask for special treatment for being an aspie. Sure, I struggle with normal day to day things, but so does everyone. People have too many emotions, or can't do maths, or are afraid of heights. There is no such thing as a 'free pass'. However, when someone has an issue, or a struggle, then if either they (or those that care for them) can grow to understand the reasons, how the brain is reacting, then it is an easy workaround.

For example, I can't stand crowds, or being around people. I used to push them away by being mean, but when I got older and began to understand the anxiety, I took steps to compensate, developed coping mechanisms. But it's never an excuse.



No. You are not crazy. You are incredible. After all you have gone through, to keep trying, to do research, to do what is best for your family, that is nothing short of incredible. I have 2 kids and that is hard enough, to have 4 in your life and still find time to help your husband is absolutely amazing, good on you. :)

Also, there are online tests that help explain aspergers and autism, you probably know him well enough to guess the answers and take them for him. Certainly my husband looked at all the questions and said "yes, that's you, that's you, yes, that is too...!"

My favourite: Aspie Quiz

Aspie tests

Yale-Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale

It's a spectrum, no one is aspergers or not, they just have traits that lean one way or the other. I lean very strongly to aspie but not at all to OCD, my husband is the COMPLETE and utter opposite.
 

Sorry still learning how to use the forum. Thank you for your response. You really helped put so many things into a different perspective for me.
 
Welcome. I feel for you, your pain is almost oozing from my monitor, you poor thing.
I can very much relate to your story about the laundry. As a kid, I often got told by my parents that I didn't do enough around the house. My thought was always
"You didn't tell me there was anything that needed to be done, so how was I to know?" To this day I still require specific instructions if someone wants me to do something. I rarely do chores spontaneously. I was not the best flatmate.
 

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