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Aspies and Education

total-recoil

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Bill Gates said something interesting not too long ago and it rang a bell with me. He was saying that you don't need to go to university to learn when the internet is now available. This is actually quite true. I tend to study late at night and one of the most useful tools I have to help me (apart from a calculator) is my mobile phone internet. Soon as I get stuck, I type key words into Google and, more often than not, I find the solution to my problem. The other night I had to calculate specifics of an alternating cycle every 0.003 of a second, reducing this figure to a 10th of the speed. Soon as I work out any attempt at an answer, I type the details into Google and almost always my answer is either confirmed or exposed as incorrect. Not that my maths is really that good but sometimes I need to focus on some specifics of maths to understand something else. It's slow and harder than if you can raise your hand in a class but, despite that, internet usually works.
Sooooo, how come people these days are so dependent upon university and courses? Why carry out massive public demonstrations over funding and course fee issues when, in reality, there is no genuine obstacle to knowledge. What you actually need is dedication, persistance, a routine, some good books and an internet connection. In fact,. I'd go so far as to say I'm learning more now than I ever did when I was at uni.
Isn't is also strange than in N.T. World, a failure of uni funding automatically results in a sudden decline in higher education at work, as if so many people just feel unable to push forwards without classes, teachers and systems all organised on your behalf.
Why did Bill Gates drop out of uni then and how do aspies fare in general at college or uni? Well, in a lot of cases, the fact is aspies don't always do particularly well in State education systems. One major major criticism I have of State controlled education is that the pace is often too fast, the focus too slender, and the specialisation often lacking. My own experience has definitely been that a mass of information is thrown at you all in one go and it's almost impossible to take it all in properly. Another major gripe is there is a lot of emphasis on course grades that discourages radical ideas and experimentation since the desire to get "A" status is prioritised above risk.
Back to Bill Gates, I suspect that uni was more of a hindrance to his own approach than an aid which is why he felt the need to drop out and do his own thing. That is, freedom to explore your own subject at your own pace, make your own mistakes and learn from them.
Not that uni is a waste of time and doesn't have its benefits. I think what I'm saying is that there are definitely alternatives to organised, rigid frameworks structured around courses, classes and lectures.
A lot of aspies don't do so well at uni or in college due to many reasons such as visual thinking, too broad a program and even, in some instances, negative feedback. I was intrigued that even the now infamous Pentagon aspergers hacker Gary Mckinnon "dropped out" of I.T. at uni as he found the maths too difficult.
 
It is a major way an employer can determine your abilities, problem solving capacity (knowledge, not having to look things up) and qualifications. They aren't going to give you a computer and try to test your abilities to find answers to questions. It also demonstrates your flexibility and ability to work with others.
 
It is a major way an employer can determine your abilities, problem solving capacity (knowledge, not having to look things up) and qualifications. They aren't going to give you a computer and try to test your abilities to find answers to questions. It also demonstrates your flexibility and ability to work with others.

That's pretty much what standard education is ... a communication to other people of exactly what your skills are and that you have knowledge in your area of expertise. In saying that I think universities lack a lot in real life experience and often cover too much rather than too little if that makes sense. Well the uni's I've been at have been like that.

It depends what you want out of life. I found uni hard when I had assignments that seemed pointless. I found it difficult to learn things that seemed to have no relevance. Like when I tried engineering (the speciality I was going after was metallurgy) and we had to do massive amounts of electricity physics (not really of use to a metallurgist which is a fancy type of chemical engineer).

I found school the opposite to you total-recall ... I found it wasn't challenging and I didn't achieve what I could have done. Having suffered through public education when I have children of my own I will know what to look for and what to do to fix it.

The end result for me is I'm probably going to be a housewife for the rest of my life due to a combination of not fitting in with modern teaching methods and having some very bad experiences in the work place.
 
That's pretty much what standard education is ... a communication to other people of exactly what your skills are and that you have knowledge in your area of expertise. In saying that I think universities lack a lot in real life experience and often cover too much rather than too little if that makes sense. Well the uni's I've been at have been like that.

It depends what you want out of life. I found uni hard when I had assignments that seemed pointless. I found it difficult to learn things that seemed to have no relevance. Like when I tried engineering (the speciality I was going after was metallurgy) and we had to do massive amounts of electricity physics (not really of use to a metallurgist which is a fancy type of chemical engineer).

I found school the opposite to you total-recall ... I found it wasn't challenging and I didn't achieve what I could have done. Having suffered through public education when I have children of my own I will know what to look for and what to do to fix it.

The end result for me is I'm probably going to be a housewife for the rest of my life due to a combination of not fitting in with modern teaching methods and having some very bad experiences in the work place.
I can say hand on my heart I'm learning more now my own way than I did at uni. I came to see in fact that uni was a little flawed. What happened in my case at uni was I flunked year one but got a mega good grade in the subject that actually interested me. On that basis alone, there was an appeal and they finally decided to take me back as a student on condition I did extra work on biology.
Of course it was a good time in some ways, the student life, the friends I eventually made and so on. However, I just dislike this idea of organised, systematic bulk study. I'm actually very big on basics because I believe to build a house you need solid foundations and the pace of learning and lectures at uni is too fast to really dig deep into basics. For me it was too much information too fast where time-tables and deadlines distracted from detail. I also made the mistake of trying to "get it right" in essays so not really expressing my own outlook or developing it but instead hoping I could fit in.
The big issue, though, is I know it's possible to learn to a very high standard solo but the snag is your abilities won't be recognised officially, unless you really break new ground like Bill Gates did. You can tell people you're an expert in such and such but they won't believe you unless you wave some endorsed piece of paper.
 
That's what they're looking for for most if not all jobs. It doesn't even need to be in the field you are going to work in.
 
I was basically hired for a position based on my experience and schooling. Then they took a last look at my application, and said, " sorry, we thought you had a degree. I even worked a day on that job.
 
I understand and agree with you total recall ... but I think littlepuff has put it as the world is ... you need the stupid piece of paper.

I found when I was at uni that if I used one of those wall planners it helped me manage time because I could visually see when things were due. I however found maths hard because I felt like there was a piece missing in the comprehension. I needed a tutor but unfortunately a tutor costs money and at uni I couldn't afford one.

Another helpful thing was I found that I did the stuff I didn't like first and then I could do the stuff I liked. It helped.

My biggest issue was making myself pay attention ie if I sat at a desk trying to study ten mins in a piece of string was suddenly interesting for instance. I learned to work with that and would allow more time, have a reward waiting etc.

Identify in yourself what is holding you back then work with it. You have to realize that you will have barriers but you have to accept them and work with them. You can get there.
 

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