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Rhett Ellis
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In Israel they have mandatory military service, and Autistic people get to join specialist units like Unit 9900.

Unit 9900 is a purpose-built intelligence unit for autistic people, instead of firing guns they learn to analyse maps and other work that is suited to them.

As an autistic person I would be so happy working in a supportive environment designed for me.

So why don’t we do it?

In Australia we have 164,000 autistic people, that’s 1 in 150 people and the number is going up.

At the same time, we have many unfilled cyber security positions, at least 17,600 by 2026 according to UNSW.

I have met hundreds of autistic people just from Brisbane that would sign up for something like this, the perception that they choose to be on welfare is far from the truth, many of them are highly qualified with degrees etc, they have just never been given a chance in a supportive environment.

Also, not every Cyber job is programming and there are positions that are entry level.

It just makes sense to take people that want to work off welfare and into jobs that they want.

We need awareness about autism being a potential solution to the cyber skills gap, and if we can do that, we stand to create thousands of jobs.
 
Don't bother clicking on the link. It go to a website that has a phishing-wall on it. They want to get personal information from you before they will show you anything.
 
I don't believe I've heard LinkedIn described as phishing before.

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I don't believe I've heard LinkedIn described as phishing before.

Linked In is legit, but it's also very spammy. They've gotten into a lot of trouble in the past for having their app go through a new member's contacts list and sending "Join me on Linked In" emails to them all without notifying the member that they're doing it.

I have a Linked In account that I created because that's-what-professionals-do. I never check it and I don't know what to do with it.
 
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The thing about something like this is that not everyone would want it. There's this very unfortunate idea... assumption... that everyone would/should work if they could, and that you're only worth anything if you WANT to work... even if the "work" is bloody stupid, or only exists to fill the pockets of already wealthy corporate overlords (which is exactly what ALOT of jobs really are).

What's more, not everyone NEEDS to work. I fall into that category... me getting a job would be a waste of a job slot that someone who does need it could use. Everyone's situation is very different, but this idea sort of assumes that everyone falls into the same little box. They dont.

And there are plenty who would just be absolutely miserable in the very sort of jobs you describe here. Or who have literally zero interest in the type of job. Computers may be a major part of the world now, but there are still people out there who loathe the things and simply refuse to bother with them. Again, everyone is different. And even many who do use computers wouldnt want such a job. I've been using computers all my life, and even if I needed a job, I wouldnt even consider the idea of doing something like cyber security, or any of that nonsense. I do game design.... I dont do business programs or whatever. My interest with computers is extremely focused. Just as focused as many on the spectrum are with their own interests.

But also, thinking about it, I strongly suspect that something like that "specialist" unit you mention is actually NOT created with the purpose of benefiting autistic people, but instead exists because it benefits those at the very top of the government. THAT might be why they're so willing to bring in the supposedly disabled: Because they see a chance for further power. What with the whole "mandatory" thing, and the military environment (aka, forcibly drilling concepts and behaviors into people). Other countries that dont do that mandatory stuff wont try to make programs like that, because they'd have to make at least some that dont directly benefit those in charge (they'd get absolutely crapped on by citizens in general if the only "beneficial" programs they made were military/government work only). And those in charge often arent interested in things that wont directly benefit themselves.


Anyway, just some thoughts on it.
 
Don't bother clicking on the link. It go to a website that has a phishing-wall on it. They want to get personal information from you before they will show you anything.
Sorry @FreeDiver Linkedin is not phishing. It's the networking business equivalent of facebook. My job has an extension that provides professional intuitive articles to share so you can boost your traffic on the site if you're really interested in keeping in touch with other workers. My old coworkers from a previous job have been sharing links or at home meal prepping guides for those working from home.

Thanks for the link @tree

@ezcare Are you only wanting to network with aspie folk here? Are there any aspie friendly non-profits or programs that you follow on LinkedIn that help lessen the unemployment/under-employment of those with autism?
 
The thing about something like this is that not everyone would want it. There's this very unfortunate idea... assumption... that everyone would/should work if they could, and that you're only worth anything if you WANT to work... even if the "work" is bloody stupid, or only exists to fill the pockets of already wealthy corporate overlords (which is exactly what ALOT of jobs really are).

What's more, not everyone NEEDS to work. I fall into that category... me getting a job would be a waste of a job slot that someone who does need it could use. Everyone's situation is very different, but this idea sort of assumes that everyone falls into the same little box. They dont.

And there are plenty who would just be absolutely miserable in the very sort of jobs you describe here. Or who have literally zero interest in the type of job. Computers may be a major part of the world now, but there are still people out there who loathe the things and simply refuse to bother with them. Again, everyone is different. And even many who do use computers wouldnt want such a job. I've been using computers all my life, and even if I needed a job, I wouldnt even consider the idea of doing something like cyber security, or any of that nonsense. I do game design.... I dont do business programs or whatever. My interest with computers is extremely focused. Just as focused as many on the spectrum are with their own interests.

But also, thinking about it, I strongly suspect that something like that "specialist" unit you mention is actually NOT created with the purpose of benefiting autistic people, but instead exists because it benefits those at the very top of the government. THAT might be why they're so willing to bring in the supposedly disabled: Because they see a chance for further power. What with the whole "mandatory" thing, and the military environment (aka, forcibly drilling concepts and behaviors into people). Other countries that dont do that mandatory stuff wont try to make programs like that, because they'd have to make at least some that dont directly benefit those in charge (they'd get absolutely crapped on by citizens in general if the only "beneficial" programs they made were military/government work only). And those in charge often arent interested in things that wont directly benefit themselves.

Anyway, just some thoughts on it.

True, there are some not wanting a job. Most work environments or even the demands wanted from a working from home jobs can do more harm than good.

I can see where you're coming from in filling in a job slot. Personally, I was underemployed as an admin assistant for years. The work not challenging, fulfilling, and social politicking was a nightmare I couldn't navigate. It often left me ostracized from the cliques. And at a previous job I had a manager purposefully set me up for failure so I would not be hired at the end of that mandatory job title's six month probation. All because she didn't like me. I actually had an old coworker reach out and tell me she said as much.

Sorry @Misery, but the job that @ezcare describes is the one I am currently in. I just started job a few weeks ago in the It field. And they don't discriminate women being part of the team. In fact they seem to have a knack of finding aspies. Here in the states people are woefully under-diagnosed. About a third of the people on my shift are more than likely aspie, based on their commodities of health issues, quirks, stimming, and social awkwardness that I connect well with.

True not every aspie is meant for the IT field. I've met a few people who make the most intricate dragon pets for the renaissance fair with moving wings and jaws, blinking eyes, etc. Another aspie friend of mine writes YA fiction and published onto amazon before being picked up by a publisher.

And it can't be helped that some countries have a mandatory military service due to the current geopolitical climate. I think their unit is an interesting idea. Not everyone is meant to be a soldier. There are other ways to weaponize autism. Someone on the internet a few years ago calculated the angle of the sun hitting some power lines from some pictures of a terrorist training base which led to the GPS coordination of the location and a following airstrike.
 
Everyone has differing opinions. My opinion is that autistic people are capable of contributing much more than employers know, and much more than they know. Sure, this work may not be for everyone, but how would one know if you were not even afforded opportunities. I am lucky that I was diagnosed with ASD late in life, after having enjoyed a 35 year career.

I agree with @ezcare, that attitudes among employers need to change to consider gifts that autistic people may offer, and not just their perceived limitations. With this in mind, I am speaking as an advocate for autistic employment this Thursday on a panel hosted by my company. It may be professionally risky, but it is sort of my "coming out" party.
 
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Sorry @Misery, but the job that @ezcare describes is the one I am currently in. I just started job a few weeks ago in the It field. And they don't discriminate women being part of the team. In fact they seem to have a knack of finding aspies. Here in the states people are woefully under-diagnosed. About a third of the people on my shift are more than likely aspie, based on their commodities of health issues, quirks, stimming, and social awkwardness that I connect well with.

Hmm, that's not quite what I meant to be honest.

Jobs like that will indeed tend to attract people that are "into" whatever field the job is. What I specifically was going for was the idea that even though there might be plenty on the spectrum who would want IT work... there are even more that wouldnt go anywhere near it. Our interests are simply too diverse, and it's rare that we step outside of those interests.

But it's not just that. Some of it is VERY dependent on not just the company you get the job with (as some companies are EXTREMELY bad), but also the specific field, and the ROLE within that specific field/project.

I've done game-dev work, for instance. Never thought I would, really. Had always wanted to when I was a kid. A developer I know (as in, not a major company, but instead an indie dev with a small team) gave me the opportunity to work with him and his team for a couple of games (as a contractor). And it wasnt low-level work, either... I was given alot of authority over the project because reasons. I had alot of control, so there wasnt going to be any frustration over disagreements with "management", that sort of thing. As a rule, nobody questioned whatever I felt like doing at any given time. Which was good since I'm impulsive tended to just do whatever seemed like a good idea. The whole thing went quite well and the final product was well-received.

But holy heck if the job wasnt FRUSTRATING. I swear the majority of it consisted of me trying to control the constantly boiling rage and the urge to just throw the bloody computer out of my window. The idea of that job sounded perfect. The REALITY of it was not. I swear if I have to go bug-hunting just one more freaking time, I'm going to go stab something. And often, unexpected things would pop up. There's ALOT they dont tell you about game development. And of course there's also the idea of ALOT of communication with the team. It was common for me to wake up to 50 bloody emails (yes, actually 50. Daily. And that's not counting dealing with community forums or the bug tracker)

Note, this is with a developer who I'd gotten to know over a couple of years. This wasnt some faceless corporate overlord. And they were very willing to work WITH all of my screwball problems instead of trying to force me into a box. I only did about 15 hours per week, for instance (and that's all I needed, really) as I cant handle more than that.

But those entering the gaming industry are likely to find that for most jobs... the reality is *nasty*. Really, really nasty. The big publishers/developers are notorious for being VERY abusive to their employees. "Crunch" time is a reality and a freaking nightmare. Wanna work 90 hour weeks? Getting into that industry is a fast track to doing that. Everyone has this preconception that game-dev work is all, well, fun and games. It isnt. For MOST people that work in it, it's the direct opposite. On top of that, creativity is not only frowned upon, but outright against the rules with many developers (because that's not what sells or focus-tests well for the publisher). And I mean that *literally*. You follow the plan, the contract, which may be brain-meltingly stupid and soulless, or you're out the door. They dont care about you. They care about profit... and nothing more.

My point is, there are certainly jobs/companies/groups that are compassionate and nice, and caring, and willing to work with you. As you have found, and as I found. But there's also a ton of them that are the opposite. And it sure as heck aint just the gaming industry, as tech stuff goes. And even when a good one is found... the job itself may clash with the individual's personal style. I was *very* lucky to have been able to work with a developer that allowed my chaotic style to work, and a job ROLE that also allowed it (I wasnt doing like, direct engine work). That's not the case even for most indie devs.


My experiences over like 2 bloody decades of dealing with developers in various ways, and learning inside things about the industry, have taught me alot of things, not all of them pleasant.

And I tend to think that this is one of the reasons why many on the spectrum cant handle jobs: Because alot of them run into the bad companies/jobs, instead of the good. And often, when trying to GET a job... there may be no other option. I dont work, myself (outside of that contracted thing, and random testing when I meet other devs and feel like helping out), but there was a time when I DID work (probably 15 years ago, I think?), and it was *awful*. It was ALL bad companies and uncaring managers. There werent other choices. So I tend to have a rather cynical view.


Sorry, dont mean to be so rambly here, I dont really do "concise". But also this is one of those topics I've pondered quite a bit. I hope I didnt sound aggressive or mean or something, some people seem to think I am when I'm not (no idea why). Not trying to step on anyone's ideas or opinions here. Anyway I'll pipe down now, you can all return to whatever the heck was going on before.
 
Hmm, that's not quite what I meant to be honest.

Sorry, dont mean to be so rambly here, I dont really do "concise". But also this is one of those topics I've pondered quite a bit. I hope I didnt sound aggressive or mean or something, some people seem to think I am when I'm not (no idea why). Not trying to step on anyone's ideas or opinions here. Anyway I'll pipe down now, you can all return to whatever the heck was going on before.

No worries :)

Sorry you've had bad experience with your previous jobs. Look like we've all had issues in the career field. The cadence of your sentences with the all cap punctuation makes me read your posts in an upset tsundere voice lol.
 
No worries :)

Sorry you've had bad experience with your previous jobs. Look like we've all had issues in the career field. The cadence of your sentences with the all cap punctuation makes me read your posts in an upset tsundere voice lol.

Much to my own embarrassment, that's how I actually sound IRL most of the time.
 
I've worked in the care industry and have had terrible experiences with employers and colleagues due to aspects of my Autism, after diagnosis and having been employed by companies with the 'positive about disability' tick on the application it was even worse, ironically within these jobs i supported adults and children with ASD and associated conditions and although my managers and colleagues treated them with accommodation and respect they failed to do the same for me, brings to mind a previous post saying that society thinks Autism 'goes away' once you become a adult.
 
I wouldn't mind a job like that over what I'm doing now, but the country I live in isn't Israel. With most jobs, especially here in the states, you either find a way to get with the program or you hit the door. Many here talk about difficulties with employment among many things and I don't see the system changing anytime soon.

There's no guarantee of accommodations tailored to your every quirk, and if you happen to be lucky enough to get it (along with keeping the job in the first place) consider yourself blessed. I think the author is right when he talks about welfare regarding people on the spectrum, but for some that's keeping them one step away from the streets.
 
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