Autism and mind games and using religion to help

[Rachie]

Hi everyone, I had the chance to take part in an autism group for my borough and they listed one of the features of autism for some people is that they do not like mind games and they like being straight forward with people. This thread is open to all people and the reason I am putting it in this section is if any faith provides remedy for dealing with mind games from others, This can be like a hall of mirrors/mirage/delusions/illusions, masks=changing the attributes of people, mind manipulation of theirs creating mystery situations which are not present and maze's on you. I do not like doing maze type things and can feel agoraphobic and need to get out.

People who do this to you may be abusive. I get treated like this at times by one condition of mine.

e.g they will be telling me to turn around and there is nobody there and then I think something is happening and more. They do it to abuse my condition on purpose.

What does this scripture say about this, of course prayer helps, and what are your thoughts to.

This is open to everyone and the use of scripture and pointers are welcome. Jesus mentioned about the spirit of confusion and fear. God helps me to cope with this if it causes overwhelming but I need to find a remedy. Is this mind games an anxiety thing that someone can overcome if done to them and how.

Let's find the way out

I will add a handout that mentions autistics some may dislike mind games.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Interesting perspective...that is, from a religious point of view. I don't subscribe to any religion, but what you are describing hits home...I can relate. As an adult, I haven't been subjected to this sort of behavior, but as a child and teenager, certainly...kids can be absolutely rotten and cruel to each other simply for entertainment value. Once certain people find your weaknesses, they can exploit them. In this case, because of our communication, social, and sensory issues some of us can have some degree of naivety, not picking up on intent (until it's too late), literalism, etc. We can be unwitting victims of some practical jokes...sometimes funny...and other times cruel, embarrassing, and harmful.

Neurotypical communication often revolves around indirect communication...using a certain language that makes the receiver go through the intellectual process of inferring or reading between the lines, as well as, establishing intent behind the message. Many autistics do not understand all of this mental juggling and would rather just get to the exact heart of the matter through some rather direct, sometimes short and rather blunt communication. Indirect language, in my opinion, is all about hiding and deception, but guised as politeness...rather twisted.

Throw in the added complexity of a manipulative personality disorder and then it can become abusive and toxic.

 

[NB79]

God values us highly, so what is more worth, a crappy bully opinion, or God's.
I say just ignore them, people that do that are not worth your time.

 

[NB79]

I actually don't know how people without God manage all the pressures, some don't and end up bad,
God promised help, and not to test you beyond your strength.

 

[Rachie]

Thank you everyone, all your comments are helpful. I am becoming to may be understand my life a bit more. When I was 17 I was told that God would give me a gift primarily for protection purposes. Recently at 52 I got to hear this and see it all come into fruition. May be this is one of the reasons why God did this for this particular behaviour of theirs. Most of my life they have been inactive but they found a loophole to come through. The Holy Spirit told me, justice is coming.

I try and do things to always remember who I am and how simple life can be. The world is round and spinning and intact and God is in charge.

 

[Xinyta]

It's a odd coincidence that I find this thread. I have been thinking about how my relationship with my parents, and others, has been based on a cycle of enabling and control. I unfortunately have been exposed to, and even engaged in, mind games for control of situations and people. Which explains why I have always struggled with conversations. Because it's always been a game in my head of being quiet or making excuses/lying, when silence isn't possible.

Not that I don't regret it. I do. But I hold it inside. I've done it for such a long time, that I give off the aura of not giving two craps about hardly anything that goes on.

As I've come along recently. I've started recognizing this. Part of how I am, is praying to God. I've been adamant in trying to sincerely seeking God for help. It's been a slow process.

 

[JayCee]

Am sorry being raised a devout Catholic as the third child out of five. My understanding
of my religion although being hopeful and much praying , My devout family life of the others in the family, perhaps only wishing to apoear as valuing religion. Was not to much of a surprise to me when I started to realize the extreme degree of hypocracy I had soent my early life being severely manipulated under to as to couch the degree of physical abuse my little sister and I lived under . And being indoctrinated into the Catholic religion through attending Parochial school , even attending retreats at a younger age . As time went on things made less and less sense. Real life did not correlate to anything like what I was living. Intimidation was the rule by which I lived under . So learning these things and the Power of Forgiveness allowed me to move forward inlife although badly stunted in my personal relationship. These are just my experiences around organized religion. But did make it through all that and although some terrible physical / emotional drawbacks .
And inspite of intial family dissolution.
Was able to get jobs and work and eventually moved that into a small business of my own
And model it upon my own fathers sole prpprietorship model of business . And please none of this is written to cause you to lose any faith in your own religion, but rather only to share my experiences. Regarding these things through eyes of my Aspie self.

 

[Rachie]

People who do these things to others can be scheming and can be seen to be devilish or plain devils as well.

E.g In a supermarket sometimes I have an eaten an apple in the store and picked up two and paid for two but eaten one in the store and keyed in two for the quantity at the self checkout. Right if someone knows you are a Christian and was being cruel they could play on you a lie and say you were stealing and you paid for both and put in two and knew it. They could be playing on you as they know you are vulnerable and have a conscience about stealing in your faith. The accusation of stealing could lead to a meltdown internally.

They can build these things on lies and the things you shouldn't do in your faith they could be provacating you in it and knotting you up. You may find it stupid and know it s not true but accusations like that and constant ones can be grating. Some people may think it is true though and that's a shame.

They can be built on the grandest lies of religious slander to like you should make oaths to your Holy Book things you shouldn't do and be hearing bizarre things to provoke your conscience.

I saw this forum and the first post it was like these ways can act, built on a web of lies.
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/107442-my-vision-of-the-devil/

 

[JayCee]

Thank you Rachie

 

[Rachie]

Just to let you know, I took this to a Christian forum to see what they had to say. I seldom post there but wanted to see what they suggest to unpick this with scripture and how to resolve it. Undoing the trap and mind games of schemers and manipulators of the faith and humanity

You have all been very helpful, hearing it first from those who are neurodiverse. All what they say I will pull together to try and solve it and if I do share it with helpful pointers.

I have polled my dad and he said people need to be steadfast with God through this. I have put this to my vicar as well.

 

[JayCee]

Just to let you know, I took this to a Christian forum to see what they had to say. I seldom post there but wanted to see what they suggest to unpick this with scripture and how to resolve it. Undoing the trap and mind games of schemers and manipulators of the faith and humanity

You have all been very helpful, hearing it first from those who are neurodiverse. All what they say I will pull together to try and solve it and if I do share it with helpful pointers.

I have polled my dad and he said people need to be steadfast with God through this. I have put this to my vicar as well.

Wow Rachie, I read your article, am so glad you are anle to be strong in your faith , I had experienced much of what you described , but mainly by males on the perifery of my life.
primarily . It does cause y,ou to consider on thoughts of how soon the end of days might be coming . Overall these repeated experiences and even much more serious ones . It was quite maddening , Nearly causing. me to want to take my own life .but as time passed, eventually I was able to sort it out to be the people I was interacting around .eventually .It became much more healthy to move away from the area entirely . Found these type of people had infected most aspects of any local life I lived in that area,Including the area law enforcement, which actually was hard to believe but I had hard facts about things they were gaslighting me on. So this behaviour had continued past my growing up. The. hypocrasy. Was just overwelming me . It almost seems to be a bonding thing amongst certain groups of males in general. Especially if they think. their opinion is much more valid then yours . An have a audience or similiar types to connect with. Women too though if it serves the narritive that they are trying to portray.And have male support. ( it actually causes me to doubt the sanity level of the people I interacted with in those areas).Am much likely to engage anyone these days. But I do keep an I out for those who might demostrate some degree of integrity . But even those after a period of time.
,Sometimes a very long period of time. But sometimes friendship maybe meant for only a period of time. ? Have found this type of mentality occurs much less in other Autistic individuals .Really like what you wrote on the other sight. but I must admit that since these behaviours came upon me so early in life. That am not given to call myself associated will my past religious affiliations.But do feel grateful for the basic guidance and learnings that I recieved from them.. And still periodically show up in Church with hopes that perhaps somehow , someway it has changed. ( still waiting,but perhaps it is nostalgia for my old ways of life ( possibly just hopeful naivete.) .But they do put on a good show at Christmas
time. God Bless you for having what you did!
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