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Autistic and LGBT: This is what it’s like to be queer and have an autistic spectrum disorder

AGXStarseed

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(Not written by me)

There’s no denying the fact that coming out or identifying as queer can be difficult in a plethora of ways.

Although LGBT understanding and rights have improved dramatically in the past few years, members of the community still face stigma, discrimination and political challenges on a daily basis.

But for someone diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, being homosexual, bisexual or trans can bring even more challenges.

It is a lifelong developmental disability that affects the way someone makes sense of the world and communicates with the people around them.

The condition impacts social interaction, communication, personal interests and behaviour. And, currently, there is no known cause of the condition – just as there is much debate about the biological characteristics of sexuality and gender issues.

While a lot of queer people are proud of who they are, there are others who struggle to come to terms with and understand their identity daily.

However, being both autistic and LGBT can pile on social complexities, introducing a range of challenges. Here’s how autism spectrum disorder impacts the LGBT community.

Fitting in
If you asked someone with autism how they find living in the world, they may say it’s overwhelming. Most people are equipped with the ability to get by in daily society, but those who are on the spectrum struggle to fit in.

According to the National Autistic Society, they “see, hear and feel the world” differently to neurotypical people. Of course, because autism is a spectrum disorder, there are varying levels of difficulty.

However, in general, people on the spectrum will struggle to communicate, express their feelings, relate to others and understand social cues.

Often, an individual with autism will be less interested in conforming to societal norms, leading them to develop their own unique identities. The Asperger and Autism Network argues that autistic people are “more inclined to be oneself” as a result.

Expressing sexuality and gender
At the same time, though, the inability to navigate social settings can mean that people with the condition find it harder to communicate their individualism and to form relationships with others.

When it comes to interacting, autistic children and adults may struggle to form conversations; repeat certain words and phrases; only talk about their interests; reject being touched (such as hugs), and avoid eye contact, and develop repetitive patterns.

Members of the autistic community usually have strong feelings about personal space and may struggle to understand that other people need their own space too.

Another common trait of ASD is the incapacity to understand emotions, and changes to routine can be extremely distressing. When all of these things are combined, it can be difficult for autistic people to initiate and maintain relationships – whether friendship or romantic.

That’s not to say that individuals with autism can’t live normal lives, but understanding and patience from family members, friends, partners and employers is crucial.

Being yourself
Jack Whitfield, who is a member of Ambitious About Autism’s youth council and a performance poet from Plymouth, admits that it can be difficult to express two different identities.

“From talking to friends who are on both the autism and LGBTQ+ ‘spectrums’, there seems to be a lot of distrust from outsiders that Autistic people know what they’re talking about when they identify with the latter,” he says.

But he believes that things are changing. “That said, so many more of us are embracing different sexualities and gender fluidities regardless, and with relative confidence,” explains Jack.

By surrounding himself with like-minded people, Jack says he has been able to better understand his autism and sexuality.

“Last Pride Festival in Plymouth was fantastic to meet lots of other Autistic people being very open with both, which is helping me as I learn more about my possible biromantic or asexual traits.”

“The two movements [autism and LGBT] always seemed to work well in tandem, defying convention but with a view to equity and integration, instead of striking out against those who are not Autistic or LGBTQ+,” he says.

“I’m grateful because uncomfortable social encounters which I had previously put down to my autism are becoming more complex to analyse, with contemplating and questioning my sexuality within it.

He adds: “As I see my Autistic peers as brothers and sisters, regardless of where they are on the spectrum. The parallel values of patience and welcoming I see in the Pride movement reassures me in being able to discuss navigating this fresh terrain for me.”

Not always visible
Depending on the type of autism someone is diagnosed with, it’s not always easily identifiable. This has led many people to call ASD a silent disability.

Jonathan Andrews, 24, who is openly LGBT and on the spectrum, says that both his sexuality and disability are not immediately visible to people.

He explains: “I don’t tend to announce either when first meeting people unless it naturally comes up in conversation or if the other person is aware themselves – usually the case if they’ve read about my advocacy on both.”

In the LGBT community, there are often stereotypes placed on individuals, even though there’s no such thing as the perfect person. Jonathan says that while understanding is improving, he still faces stigma.

“With sexuality, it’s often people assuming you must be ‘secretly gay’, or similar. With autism, you either get people assuming you’re not actually autistic – saying, ‘you don’t look autistic’, ‘you look fine’ or variants, or assuming that because I’m clever, nothing else matters – or setting a lower bar for you, often called the “soft bigotry of low expectations’,” he says.

“That said, I wouldn’t say my experience has been mostly negative – on the whole, I’ve worked with, and am friends with, people who accept me for who I am and recognise the advantage of diversity.”

The most important thing to realise, though, is that every individual on the autistic spectrum is different.

Not only do they not only come from different backgrounds, but they have their own strengths and weaknesses.


Source: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/16/this-is-how-autism-impacts-the-lgbt-community/
 
(Not written by me)

There’s no denying the fact that coming out or identifying as queer can be difficult in a plethora of ways.

Although LGBT understanding and rights have improved dramatically in the past few years, members of the community still face stigma, discrimination and political challenges on a daily basis.

But for someone diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, being homosexual, bisexual or trans can bring even more challenges.

It is a lifelong developmental disability that affects the way someone makes sense of the world and communicates with the people around them.

The condition impacts social interaction, communication, personal interests and behaviour. And, currently, there is no known cause of the condition – just as there is much debate about the biological characteristics of sexuality and gender issues.

While a lot of queer people are proud of who they are, there are others who struggle to come to terms with and understand their identity daily.

However, being both autistic and LGBT can pile on social complexities, introducing a range of challenges. Here’s how autism spectrum disorder impacts the LGBT community.

Fitting in
If you asked someone with autism how they find living in the world, they may say it’s overwhelming. Most people are equipped with the ability to get by in daily society, but those who are on the spectrum struggle to fit in.

According to the National Autistic Society, they “see, hear and feel the world” differently to neurotypical people. Of course, because autism is a spectrum disorder, there are varying levels of difficulty.

However, in general, people on the spectrum will struggle to communicate, express their feelings, relate to others and understand social cues.

Often, an individual with autism will be less interested in conforming to societal norms, leading them to develop their own unique identities. The Asperger and Autism Network argues that autistic people are “more inclined to be oneself” as a result.

Expressing sexuality and gender
At the same time, though, the inability to navigate social settings can mean that people with the condition find it harder to communicate their individualism and to form relationships with others.

When it comes to interacting, autistic children and adults may struggle to form conversations; repeat certain words and phrases; only talk about their interests; reject being touched (such as hugs), and avoid eye contact, and develop repetitive patterns.

Members of the autistic community usually have strong feelings about personal space and may struggle to understand that other people need their own space too.

Another common trait of ASD is the incapacity to understand emotions, and changes to routine can be extremely distressing. When all of these things are combined, it can be difficult for autistic people to initiate and maintain relationships – whether friendship or romantic.

That’s not to say that individuals with autism can’t live normal lives, but understanding and patience from family members, friends, partners and employers is crucial.

Being yourself
Jack Whitfield, who is a member of Ambitious About Autism’s youth council and a performance poet from Plymouth, admits that it can be difficult to express two different identities.

“From talking to friends who are on both the autism and LGBTQ+ ‘spectrums’, there seems to be a lot of distrust from outsiders that Autistic people know what they’re talking about when they identify with the latter,” he says.

But he believes that things are changing. “That said, so many more of us are embracing different sexualities and gender fluidities regardless, and with relative confidence,” explains Jack.

By surrounding himself with like-minded people, Jack says he has been able to better understand his autism and sexuality.

“Last Pride Festival in Plymouth was fantastic to meet lots of other Autistic people being very open with both, which is helping me as I learn more about my possible biromantic or asexual traits.”

“The two movements [autism and LGBT] always seemed to work well in tandem, defying convention but with a view to equity and integration, instead of striking out against those who are not Autistic or LGBTQ+,” he says.

“I’m grateful because uncomfortable social encounters which I had previously put down to my autism are becoming more complex to analyse, with contemplating and questioning my sexuality within it.

He adds: “As I see my Autistic peers as brothers and sisters, regardless of where they are on the spectrum. The parallel values of patience and welcoming I see in the Pride movement reassures me in being able to discuss navigating this fresh terrain for me.”

Not always visible
Depending on the type of autism someone is diagnosed with, it’s not always easily identifiable. This has led many people to call ASD a silent disability.

Jonathan Andrews, 24, who is openly LGBT and on the spectrum, says that both his sexuality and disability are not immediately visible to people.

He explains: “I don’t tend to announce either when first meeting people unless it naturally comes up in conversation or if the other person is aware themselves – usually the case if they’ve read about my advocacy on both.”

In the LGBT community, there are often stereotypes placed on individuals, even though there’s no such thing as the perfect person. Jonathan says that while understanding is improving, he still faces stigma.

“With sexuality, it’s often people assuming you must be ‘secretly gay’, or similar. With autism, you either get people assuming you’re not actually autistic – saying, ‘you don’t look autistic’, ‘you look fine’ or variants, or assuming that because I’m clever, nothing else matters – or setting a lower bar for you, often called the “soft bigotry of low expectations’,” he says.

“That said, I wouldn’t say my experience has been mostly negative – on the whole, I’ve worked with, and am friends with, people who accept me for who I am and recognise the advantage of diversity.”

The most important thing to realise, though, is that every individual on the autistic spectrum is different.

Not only do they not only come from different backgrounds, but they have their own strengths and weaknesses.


Source: https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/16/this-is-how-autism-impacts-the-lgbt-community/

Wow, thank you so much for this! It’s so true! I am part aspie, part male, and bi, but it’s just too confusing for most people and it takes too much effort to explain to everyone in general. So I just shut up, and live my life quietly in those aspects. This article made my day to see others taking up the fight. I am in my 60s, and once was an activist when it was not so prominent to do so. I got a tremendous amount of negative reaction from ALL sides of the queer community, as well as the straight community. The aspie thing is new for me so I had no awareness of the activism there until this year.
 
I never felt like my pansexuality introduced me to new challenges (whether or not related to being on the spectrum). Not quite fitting in is my jam anyway, but I don’t feel like it’s an additive effect. My ASD and my sexuality are all part of a bigger picture that makes me who I am.
I’ve never felt ostracized or alone because of my sexuality. I guess I’m just lucky to be surrounded by relatively open-minded people, living in a relatively liberal country.
 
I never felt like my pansexuality introduced me to new challenges (whether or not related to being on the spectrum). Not quite fitting in is my jam anyway, but I don’t feel like it’s an additive effect. My ASD and my sexuality are all part of a bigger picture that makes me who I am.
I’ve never felt ostracized or alone because of my sexuality. I guess I’m just lucky to be surrounded by relatively open-minded people, living in a relatively liberal country.

Mine certainly did. Before being trans or wanting sex changes was to trendy, I was physically beaten and or ostracized by the gay and lesbian communities. The lesbians disliked and distrusted me because I wanted to become a male. The gay community was physically abusive for me being in their bars and all male spaces. No one except the FTMS and the MTFs understood trans. Both did not except trans people in their “safe” spaces. People were not “out” in the 80s and early 1990s. Even being bisexual made both sides think of you as “confused.”

Now it’s so trendy it breaks my heart to think of all the people who suffered so badly pre Stonewall, who paved the way for this new clueless generation. Now, it’s trendy for pre-teens to cross dress and declare that they are on hormones and getting a sex change.

What a world this has become! I endured quite the opposite along with even gays and lesbians who suffers. Read Leslie Feinberg. There is so much great literature about when it was still illegal to be anything but heterosexual.

I gave up, and stayed as I am. I let all my trans friends go on hormones, change their drivers license, grow their beards, and remove their breasts. I envy them, but still, I do not regret my desicions to not change. Changing has its own life challenges, and happiness is not guaranteed. Some of my FTM friends made the changes too, and endured greater hardships, and more physical abuse from beatings, and societal ostricization because they can never fit the idea of female beauty - that still look like strange and unattrative, no matter what they try to do.
 
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@Mary Anne I’m aware that I am the exception for not having to endure hardships due to my sexuality, which is why I described myself as lucky in many aspects. I’m sure my life would have been different had I been born a few decades earlier, but since that’s not the topic, I didn’t touch on that.

I’m aware of the struggles queer people have gone through in the past, both pre- and post Stonewall riots. I’m well read and informed on the subject, but thanks for your suggestion anyway.
 
I can relates, I'm a queer aspie. I'm scared to date because if I'm with another woman and stim I feel like people with give me double the weird looks.
 
@Mary Anne I’m aware that I am the exception for not having to endure hardships due to my sexuality, which is why I described myself as lucky in many aspects. I’m sure my life would have been different had I been born a few decades earlier, but since that’s not the topic, I didn’t touch on that.

I’m aware of the struggles queer people have gone through in the past, both pre- and post Stonewall riots. I’m well read and informed on the subject, but thanks for your suggestion anyway.

Lol, I just have to remind myself from time to time because I encounter so many young people who do not have any clue as to their freedoms nowadays and take it for granted. The very young ones (20s and younger) that is. Also, depends on where one lives. If one grows up in the American Bible Belt, it is still like the pre- Stonewall day’s. Dangerous and stigmatizing to be anything but straight hetero.
 
Yes I identify in both autistic and LGBTQ areas. I feel like my ambivalence about fitting gender and sexuality categories does fit with my different autistic brain. I just don't see those categories as defining. So sue me. UK seems better than some areas of US on this. But any kind of difference raises concerns for some.
 
I'm not sure whether this is really true and I'm open minded, but I've read that there's a higher proportion of autistic people who are not heterosexual (AKA. straight) than NTs, E.g. LBGT Etc. There are threads that seem to confirm this, although I had to wonder whether less heterosexuals would have read or wanted to respond in the first place and whether this influenced the results. I have also read that having more unusual sexual desires or fantasies is also more common with people on the autistic spectrum. If all this is true then this thread is relevant to considerably more people than many people might initially believe.

Regarding what it is like, well I'm afraid I have no personal experience, although I have a friend who I suspect is on the autistic spectrum and also bisexual at least, he has never admitted it to myself, but I've glanced at his PC and on a number of occasions I've seen some of the websites and groups he's signed up to Etc. before he's closed the window quickly thinking I didn't see, I don't mean porn, but he's been particularly interested in meetup groups for homosexuals for instance.
 
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Yes I think that's correct that there is a higher incidence of being of diverse sexualities and genders in people on the autistic spectrum and I don't think this is surprising as generally my experience is that I am less likely to notice cultural ways I m supposed to act or to comply with customs. Uta Frith had a ship in a box she used to show this difference, she would say to children this is how to get the ship out of the box, and she'd knock on the box, turn it around and then open the lid. Then she'd ask the child to get the ship out of the box. Neurotypical children would knock on the box, turn it around and then get the ship out. Children on the autistic spectrum would just open it and get the ship out. I think this demonstrates a directness that's useful as well as a somewhat obliviousness of social customs...
 
The S& M world is highly populated by the LBGT community. When I discover S&M, it was the sensory deprivation that captivated me. People get all weirded out about the mention of S&M, but to someone like me with hieghtened sensory issues, the thick leather hoods, masks, and tightly controlled bondage gear is not unlike what Temple Grandin describes with her “Squeeze Machine.” Sensory deprivation is something I need often. I am on the autism spectrum and suffer with sensory overload. A walk in the woods can be peaceful too, but it’s not the same as the pressure of weighted blankets, ear plugs and eye masks - which still are not the same as a padded hood and a straight jacket while sleeping in a dog cage. This was my way of dealing with my autism.

I loved S&M not as a sexual fetish (always wrongly associated with that) but for my control and awareness of aspie sensory issues. Off to google LBGT statistics of Autism.
 
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