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Autistic representation in tv show

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I was watching a French series the other night called 'The Forest'. It was 'okay' so I was going to watch it to the end because at the time I didn't have any other better show to watch.

Then suddenly there was an autistic character in it. But the autistic was a hermit, a murderer AND the writers implied that he was like that because of trauma in his childhood.

Is it more common in France to think that autism is from trauma as a child? Or was this just some one off, or coincidence?

Anyway, I just switched off the show after that. Like I said it was only so-so to begin with. I've kept pondering the above part, though.
 
I was watching a French series the other night called 'The Forest'. It was 'okay' so I was going to watch it to the end because at the time I didn't have any other better show to watch.

Then suddenly there was an autistic character in it. But the autistic was a hermit, a murderer AND the writers implied that he was like that because of trauma in his childhood.

Is it more common in France to think that autism is from trauma as a child? Or was this just some one off, or coincidence?

Anyway, I just switched off the show after that. Like I said it was only so-so to begin with. I've kept pondering the above part, though.

Well considering a lot of us have a hard time in life thanks to a combination of how we are and other people's reactions to it - not to mention how we end up choosing to react to it, I could see someone who is Autistic going "off the rails" and taking it out on a world that has treated them like crap. Plus, when your (insert group here) is represented on screen, you have to accept that sometimes people from your group are going to be represented negatively - we're all human at the end of the day and as humans, we can be good or bad depending on our circumstances and/or our choices.
It's probably not just France either - wasn't part of Joker's plot about how his mental instability was caused by his mother abusing him as a child?

As for representation in general, I've personally gotten to the point where I don't really care anymore. Most stuff I see featuring a character who is supposed to be somewhere on the Autistic spectrum either has them been quirky/awkward to the point where you're cringing/getting annoyed with them, having Autistic traits that fade in or out depending on whether the plot needs it/the writers remember it or being so low functioning that they need people to look after them, often coupled with the characters having meltdowns at the drop of a hat and some/all of those meltdowns been stopped in ways that wouldn't work.
What's more, these characters more often than not are saddled with a 'savant' trait - despite the fact very few Autistic people have them - to make them seem more useful or serve as a plot device, like Simon in Mercury Rising been able to decipher the $2 million security code instantly or the kid in The Predator been able to understand and read the Predator's language.

On top of that, I think you're never going to get an Autistic character that everyone in the community can agree on as 'definitive' because as the saying goes "if you've met one Autistic person, you've met one Autistic person". As such, you're going to get some Autistic characters that some in the community like and others hate.

That's my two cents on it all.
 
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Plus, when your (insert group here) is represented on screen, you have to accept that sometimes people from your group are going to be represented negatively - we're all human at the end of the day and as humans, we can be good or bad depending on our circumstances and/or our choices.

I actually agree. What I didn't say, and perhaps I should, have was that I have heard from someone before that it is a common view in France that autism is linked to the relationship with the individuals mother - ie mother not providing what is needed, mother abusing...then the child 'gets' autism, or it develops.

The thing is, I don't know if that attitude is real or if it was just one person who thought that and I didn't want to encourage wrong ideas getting out there, so I think I was mostly fishing for other opinions re the French way of thinking about autism, I guess. In an effort to correct wrong-think in myself. I hope I'm making myself clear, sorry if I'm not.

As for representation in general, I've personally gotten to the point where I don't really care anymore.

I can relate to this many times. Often I've been in disagreement when other autistics pick apart and discuss tv representation they feel is negative. So it's like I'm on the other side for this post :p

And some autistics are hermits and those other things. It's reality.

On top of that, I think you're never going to get an Autistic character that everyone in the community can agree on as 'definitive' because as the saying goes "if you've met one Autistic person, you've met one Autistic person". As such, you're going to get some Autistic characters that some in the community like and others hate.

Absolutely agree. :)
 
It's just you don't see happy films with austitic hermits saving the day. The bad things that happen are the attention grabbers. But it does seem there is more acceptance of autistic characters in general because perfect is boring.
 
It's just you don't see happy films with austitic hermits saving the day. The bad things that happen are the attention grabbers. But it does seem there is more acceptance of autistic characters in general because perfect is boring.

Hehe. I'd love to see a happy film with an autistic hermit as the hero :D

Bad are attention grabbers, it's true. I do love dark shows.
 
Then suddenly there was an autistic character in it. But the autistic was a hermit, a murderer AND the writers implied that he was like that because of trauma in his childhood.

That sounds like lazy writing to me. Like the writer’s couldn’t be bothered to come up with a good reason the character was a murderer, so they spun the Wheel of Excuses and came up with Autism.

On a larger topic, I have yet to see any topic that Hollywood represents accurately. Lawyers tell me that the Legal Procedural shows just make up whatever laws and legal requirements they need to move the story forward. Anyone who knows computers laughs at how “hackers” work in movies. It’s become one of my favorite questions when getting to know someone: Oh, you do X? How badly does Hollywood get your profession wrong in the movies?
 
I actually agree. What I didn't say, and perhaps I should, have was that I have heard from someone before that it is a common view in France that autism is linked to the relationship with the individuals mother - ie mother not providing what is needed, mother abusing...then the child 'gets' autism, or it develops.

That it has to do with the mother was a common view everywhere decades ago so perhaps some places, such as France, have simply not grown out of that misconception yet. :eek:
 
And why would you expect a TV writer to have the slightest clue about autism? Even if they did, they wouldn't hesitate to go completely into fantasy land about it. ASD-1 seems to be one of the few groups of people it is still cool to make fun of.
 
Writing a script to accurately represent an individual on the spectrum that's agreeable to all viewers on the spectrum has got to be a lifes' work.
Thee greatest challenge :)

There was a BBC drama series called, The A Word, based on an autistic son and how his family coped with struggles and victories which,
when set against the series called The Good Doctor, would seem far less dynamic with fewer heroes.

I'm led to believe the films, The Accountant and The Big Short, had lead characters on the spectrum. Sensationalised and lots of drama or the films wouldn't have been as successful as they were.

Making mothers responsible for evil sons is a loose truth, greatly exaggerated and as old as time in fiction.
(could get into my understanding of genetic expression here, but wont :) )

If explaining the history of how a murderer came to be detracts from the story a writer wants to tell,
cloak the history in mystery and that which isn't fully understood and let a reader assume, based on their lack of knowledge. Lazy & effective.

The French film mentioned is just one writers exaggerated perception of Autism, doesn't make it true though :)
 
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'Refrigerator mother' is one of the beliefs that used to be followed I think even by the professionals sometime in the autism diagnosis past. Not sure who came up with it and where it spread first/most as an idea, but it sounds like it was a widespread belief.

Refrigerator mother theory - Wikipedia.
 
I notice that shows often do not specify autism, but leave it ambiguous. One of my favorites like that is Eugene on 'The Walking Dead' series. I read he modeled his character to a degree off his younger brother, but again did not specify autism
 
I'm watching that show right now on netflix actually,I don't understand French so I never knew about a guy being autistic.It's a fun show
For me, as I said, it was so-so - BUT that was just a personal preference thing. It's not bad. I'm glad you're enjoying it. And you know even the autism thing might have gotten better if I'd kept watching. But sometimes you think (and i do this with books) that if I'm not loving it, why not move on to another show, another book.
 
I notice that shows often do not specify autism, but leave it ambiguous. One of my favorites like that is Eugene on 'The Walking Dead' series. I read he modeled his character to a degree off his younger brother, but again did not specify autism
I LOVE that show (there have been certain shows that have been a BIG part of my life over long periods of time and that is one of them). I agree re Eugene. It didn't need to be said, yet my (aspie) family member and I have raised the possibility. :)
 
'Refrigerator mother' is one of the beliefs that used to be followed I think even by the professionals sometime in the autism diagnosis past. Not sure who came up with it and where it spread first/most as an idea, but it sounds like it was a widespread belief.

Refrigerator mother theory - Wikipedia.
It was extremely common back when Freud's ideas ruled the roost with no competition. they didn't believe in a physical cause for specific psychological conditions back then. All that left was early childhood trauma to explain what went wrong with us. When I first came to LA I managed to hook up with a psychologist who had me beating on the sofa with a padded club and yelling out all the bad things my parents did to me. It was kind of fun but didn't fix anything.
 
I notice that shows often do not specify autism, but leave it ambiguous. One of my favorites like that is Eugene on 'The Walking Dead' series. I read he modeled his character to a degree off his younger brother, but again did not specify autism
Ya know... that's for a reason. Same reason they never said that Sheldon was autstic. Once you put a name on a condition you become a protected species. All those fools over at "Autism Speaks" will go ballistic if you make fun of a character. But as long as you don't give the label, you can abuse the person all you want based on their behavior - which just happens to have all kind of autistic trails.

I thought Eugene was handled pretty damned good compared to most others I've seen.
 

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