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Can't cope well these days

Sarah Melnychuk

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Recently I had become increasingly aware of how my particular challenges and difficulties impact my life, relationships/friendships. I just ended a friendship where it had become increasingly evident that this now former friend had expectations of me I could not meet despite the fact I told her I have certain limitations. I have difficulty in social settings. I have challenges with sensory sensitivity issues. I don't always understand boundaries communicated unless they are communicated in very direct ways. That I have challenges with communication and my body language usually doesn't match how I feel. I have difficulty finding the right words. I can be very empathic but I will oftentimes miss the subtle ques that people subconsciously communicate. I will never be able to "read between the lines" or "hear what is not said" I need a direct approach. Say what you mean. I tell them. And what really ended this recent friend came after this now former friend asked me for my opinion. She asked me for my opinion so I gave her my opinion and then she was offended by me sharing my opinion. And all the while I'm like "but you asked me for my opinion... if you didn't want my opinion to begin with then why ask for my opinion?" I had to end this friendship. If you know me, then you know I don't go out of my way to be rude or inconsiderate of others. People say I'm a kind individual. This now former friend went on to describe how I come across like I am mansplaining to her. And basically turning my disability into a moral failure and a character flaw. She no longer had the patience to accept what is different about me. She turned my disability into a character flaw and moral failure. I can change character flaws. I can manage moral values. I can't however, change my disability.

And now there's somebody new. I am seriously thinking I am not going to invest in that friendship because I am starting to see that she too is simply not understanding. She was like "hey, it's ok if you mess up" and I'm like ... "hey, this is not me messing up. My disability is not a character flaw or a moral failure" Does she understand? Most likely not.

I feel really alone. Nobody really understands me. I'd like to have more friends. I wish I didn't have to end that one friendship. I wish she could see me for me and understood why I do and say the things I do and why I react in certain situations the way I do. I wish she understood the fact that I am doing everything I possibly can to respect the boundaries of others but if I don't understand how boundaries are communicated what do I do? This friend felt like she was repeating herself. All I can say is "I'm sorry, I honestly did not understand. I was wrong in my interpretation of what you said" But even after this apology it just wasn't enough. But why do I need to apologize for my disability? Like I go out of my way to explain my disability to my friends/potential friends. Like I literally warn people. I tell them my challenges and yet I'm still expected to somehow meet their social expectations?

Anyways, after the ending of this friendship I did have one friend who began sharing with me their experience. I have actually wondered if this was true for me like it is true with this one friend. They had recently become aware of the fact that they are on the Autism Spectrum. And in processing all of this in conversation with this friend I can see in me Autistic traits.

I also have nephew that was diagnosed with Aspergers. He was diagnosed really early. I can't remember how old he was. All I know is that he received an early diagnoses. Much of his challenges when he was younger doesn't seem to impact him as much now. So, as a family we have an understanding about Autism and Aspergers. I wish more people were like members in my family where we can just accept the traits of others and be OK with it and extend the grace and patience that are often times necessary.

I'm looking for a bit of support while I move forward with cultivating friendship/relationship and as I look further into getting officially diagnosed and as I look into how this impacts me.
 
Sometimes it’s not what you say; it’s how you say it. I prefer to be truthful with people, but in a gentle and tactful manner. Perhaps you are too blunt and your comments come off as preachy and rude? A lot of autistic people struggle with this, I know. Sounds like your ex-friend just couldn’t wrap her head around the way your mind works.
 
l am horrible at this. l really can come off in this exact way mentioned above. I am doing my best to shut the hell up. This for me is responsible adulting. haha
 
Welcome! I've also learned to keep my though to myself for the most part. That said, I have a colleague who says she appreciates talking to me as I will give honest opinions on things rather than trying to sugar coat things or butter up. It's funny when she detects I'm trying to be diplomatic and she'll say "no, tell me what you're thinking right now!"

Lots of people like groupthink. They want reinforcement of their thoughts and views. The internet unfortunately made that easier, and unfortunately has lead to polarization in politics in particular.

But when you need an honest opinion, aspies will be there for you :-)
 
Making a real friend is HARD; NT or ND. I only have one and that's my wife. I have acquaintances, I have work people, I have family. But I don't have any friends, exactly because it takes a level of trust and vulnerability that I'm unwilling to put out, given my "differentness". This is probably not helpful, sorry.
 
And now there's somebody new. I am seriously thinking I am not going to invest in that friendship because I am starting to see that she too is simply not understanding. She was like "hey, it's ok if you mess up" and I'm like ... "hey, this is not me messing up. My disability is not a character flaw or a moral failure" Does she understand? Most likely not.

I have seen that a bit myself. Someone trying to be understanding without actually understanding what is going on.
 
Look for an online support group meeting remotely where it will be easier to be around people who can relate to you. I'm in a few myself.
 
Recently I had become increasingly aware of how my particular challenges and difficulties impact my life, relationships/friendships. I just ended a friendship where it had become increasingly evident that this now former friend had expectations of me I could not meet despite the fact I told her I have certain limitations. I have difficulty in social settings. I have challenges with sensory sensitivity issues. I don't always understand boundaries communicated unless they are communicated in very direct ways. That I have challenges with communication and my body language usually doesn't match how I feel. I have difficulty finding the right words. I can be very empathic but I will oftentimes miss the subtle ques that people subconsciously communicate. I will never be able to "read between the lines" or "hear what is not said" I need a direct approach. Say what you mean. I tell them. And what really ended this recent friend came after this now former friend asked me for my opinion. She asked me for my opinion so I gave her my opinion and then she was offended by me sharing my opinion. And all the while I'm like "but you asked me for my opinion... if you didn't want my opinion to begin with then why ask for my opinion?" I had to end this friendship. If you know me, then you know I don't go out of my way to be rude or inconsiderate of others. People say I'm a kind individual. This now former friend went on to describe how I come across like I am mansplaining to her. And basically turning my disability into a moral failure and a character flaw. She no longer had the patience to accept what is different about me. She turned my disability into a character flaw and moral failure. I can change character flaws. I can manage moral values. I can't however, change my disability.

And now there's somebody new. I am seriously thinking I am not going to invest in that friendship because I am starting to see that she too is simply not understanding. She was like "hey, it's ok if you mess up" and I'm like ... "hey, this is not me messing up. My disability is not a character flaw or a moral failure" Does she understand? Most likely not.

I feel really alone. Nobody really understands me. I'd like to have more friends. I wish I didn't have to end that one friendship. I wish she could see me for me and understood why I do and say the things I do and why I react in certain situations the way I do. I wish she understood the fact that I am doing everything I possibly can to respect the boundaries of others but if I don't understand how boundaries are communicated what do I do? This friend felt like she was repeating herself. All I can say is "I'm sorry, I honestly did not understand. I was wrong in my interpretation of what you said" But even after this apology it just wasn't enough. But why do I need to apologize for my disability? Like I go out of my way to explain my disability to my friends/potential friends. Like I literally warn people. I tell them my challenges and yet I'm still expected to somehow meet their social expectations?

Anyways, after the ending of this friendship I did have one friend who began sharing with me their experience. I have actually wondered if this was true for me like it is true with this one friend. They had recently become aware of the fact that they are on the Autism Spectrum. And in processing all of this in conversation with this friend I can see in me Autistic traits.

I also have nephew that was diagnosed with Aspergers. He was diagnosed really early. I can't remember how old he was. All I know is that he received an early diagnoses. Much of his challenges when he was younger doesn't seem to impact him as much now. So, as a family we have an understanding about Autism and Aspergers. I wish more people were like members in my family where we can just accept the traits of others and be OK with it and extend the grace and patience that are often times necessary.

I'm looking for a bit of support while I move forward with cultivating friendship/relationship and as I look further into getting officially diagnosed and as I look into how this impacts me.
What sickens me is having to go all the way to them!!!!! as usual !!they won't even meet me a quarter of the way !!why should we have a disability ,why isnt NT a disability ?,maybe their way is wrong and your neurology is superior ,remember NTs call it a disorder, to control us ,now they have you in their fascist pigeon hole ,don't have the audacity to try and get out of it.
 
Sometimes it’s not what you say; it’s how you say it. I prefer to be truthful with people, but in a gentle and tactful manner. Perhaps you are too blunt and your comments come off as preachy and rude? A lot of autistic people struggle with this, I know. Sounds like your ex-friend just couldn’t wrap her head around the way your mind works.

Ya, does sound like my ex-friend lol but I have told her and many others that while I try to be diplomatic I have great difficulty in that. The other thing too is my limited vocabulary. Combine a limited vocabulary and this near inability to be diplomatic ... it creates situations where I will say it one way but it is interpreted another. You're right, my ex-friend couldn't wrap her head around the way my mind works. It's a shame she was not able to have a dialogue to learn how my mind works. If she could understand then maybe she could have extended grace in knowing that I am not the type of person who will intentionally and willfully be rude and perhaps in her understanding of my limited vocabulary perhaps she could have understood that just maybe if I had a larger vocabulary I might be able to be less blunt. If I am given space I can usually find a word that is less blunt but when I am not given the space I will say the first words that come to mind simply because it's either that or I just don't speak. And I valued that friendship too much not to do everything I could to make it work. I honestly don't know if she could say the same. In the end when I told her that she was turning my disabiliity into a character flaw and/or moral failure that says it's "unacceptable behaviour" as opposed to a disability ... Basically, the only way I was ever going to make that friendship work is if I could stop being Autistic. That's just not gonna happen. So it's really on her if she wanted to accept this about me or not. It's not that I'm incapable of adapting it's just sometimes I need time to catch up, time to adapt, time to understand what she's communicating.
 
l am horrible at this. l really can come off in this exact way mentioned above. I am doing my best to shut the hell up. This for me is responsible adulting. haha

Oh ya, I've been learning this too! I mean, if people think I'm bad now, they might be relieved of the fact that they didn't know me 20 years ago. lol

One major poor interpretation on my part was when my friend asked "Can I get your opinion on something?" She asked for my opinion but I was somehow expected to not actually share my opinion. Over the years I'd tell myself that people really don't want to know my opinion. A lot of people want to voice their opinion but they couldn't care less about the opinions of others. So when she asked for my opinion, I thought this was her giving me permission to share my opinion. In fact, I asked her "Do you really want to know my opinion, because if you want my opinion I will give you my opinion" and in response she was like "Yes, I'd like to hear your opinion" so I gave my opinion and as a result she got negative, defensive, and reactive. Because apparently she really actually just wanted her opinions validated.

If she understood the way my brain works she could have said, "I wonder if I'm making the right decision... I'm thinking I should do this but I got that choice over there... " at least then I could have gone through a list of pros & cons in such a way that she would make her own decision without actually hearing my opinion.

You can't really make friends if you can't actually speak to them.
 
Welcome! I've also learned to keep my though to myself for the most part. That said, I have a colleague who says she appreciates talking to me as I will give honest opinions on things rather than trying to sugar coat things or butter up. It's funny when she detects I'm trying to be diplomatic and she'll say "no, tell me what you're thinking right now!"

It's nice to have colleagues and/or friends that can see you as an individual and accept you for who you are and who can also value your strengths.

Lots of people like groupthink. They want reinforcement of their thoughts and views. The internet unfortunately made that easier, and unfortunately has lead to polarization in politics in particular.

RIGHT !? Out of curiosity ... would you say that those who just want their own thoughts and views reinforced are those who are younger or do you think this is a trend among all ages?

But when you need an honest opinion, aspies will be there for you :)

I just had this memory going shopping with my sister. She's pretty skinny. And when we went shopping she asked me for my opinion on this top she was trying on. This was quite a few years ago. My response ... "why don't you try the next size down.?" She said, "I like it feeling loose like this though" So in my response, without thinking I said, "Wearing that shirt, in that size makes you look anorexic" Boy was she angry. So I repeated myself "I didn't say you are anorexic, I just said that that top in that size made you look that way. Like honestly, I REALLY believe the next size down will fit you WAY better. Just try it. Just try the next size down and if you don't like it then don't get it" She tried that top in the next size down and it looked AMAZING on her. She ended up going with the size I strongly recommended. It's just too bad that I couldn't have said the latter part the first time but nope.
 
Making a real friend is HARD; NT or ND. I only have one and that's my wife. I have acquaintances, I have work people, I have family. But I don't have any friends, exactly because it takes a level of trust and vulnerability that I'm unwilling to put out, given my "differentness". This is probably not helpful, sorry.


No, this is actually helpful to me. In that, in some way it enables me to be a little more patient with myself and be OK not having to be vulnerable. I've been trying to be vulnerable but every single time I get hurt. It is helpful to hear the experiences of others because sometimes I just need to know that my situation, how I feel, etc etc is not unique and other people know and understand what I'm going through. So thank you for sharing.

What do you mean by NT or ND?
I have seen that a bit myself. Someone trying to be understanding without actually understanding what is going on.
 
What sickens me is having to go all the way to them!!!!! as usual !!they won't even meet me a quarter of the way !!why should we have a disability ,why isnt NT a disability ?,maybe their way is wrong and your neurology is superior ,remember NTs call it a disorder, to control us ,now they have you in their fascist pigeon hole ,don't have the audacity to try and get out of it.

Oh I get it. You ever watch The Matrix? Doesn't it kind of feel like we're living in a Matrix System? Some of us only know The Matrix System while those of us who are on the Spectrum are those who know there is much more to life than what is seen in The Matrix.

I look at Autism, the Spectrum, and I don't see normal or abnormal or right or wrong, lesser or superior. I just see different. And for me, as of right now, if my friends can't understand this about me then they are not good friends to have because if they truly understand than they meet us where we can meet them. So the expectation I have of my friends is that they work towards meeting me where I can meet them and together in friendship we can figure it out.
 
Sometimes it’s not what you say; it’s how you say it.
...

Mr Gracey has been telling me this at least once every couple of months for over 30 years.

Sometimes I get the balance of tact and diplomacy just right,
at other times I'm honest.

It would be unusual for me to be intentionally mean or spiteful.

Should a friend ask for my opinion, they'd get it.
I'd be willing to discuss my answer with them if they didn't like it.
Make sure they've understood my meaning and I, theirs.
 
I suppose we can extend a little grace towards those who actually try to understand?

Yes, I think that is best. What you have to see is if it seems worthwhile to take it to the next step, which is explaining a bit about yourself. But I am very cautious about that and usually only try with people I have come to feel are non-judgemental and I have established a fair level of trust with. Trying to explain that you are HFA to someone can be tricky and go sideways quickly because of the currency of negative stereotypes and the basic difficulty people have believing what they can not see.
 
Oh I get it. You ever watch The Matrix? Doesn't it kind of feel like we're living in a Matrix System? Some of us only know The Matrix System while those of us who are on the Spectrum are those who know there is much more to life than what is seen in The Matrix.

I look at Autism, the Spectrum, and I don't see normal or abnormal or right or wrong, lesser or superior. I just see different. And for me, as of right now, if my friends can't understand this about me then they are not good friends to have because if they truly understand than they meet us where we can meet them. So the expectation I have of my friends is that they work towards meeting me where I can meet them and together in friendship we can figure it out.
Never watched the matrix the bible is way more intricate ,I love a quote from the bible' you are fearfully and wonderfully made '(fearful means respect)there is no mention by G-d of different being bad ,different are mainly obedient ,look for quiet people loud people usually trouble,concentrate on what you believe people like confidence !.
 

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