Distinguishing Trauma Based Disorders

[FayetheAspie]

What is the difference between PTSD, complex PTSD, and BPD? Also, does a person really have to be fiery tempered to have any of these or is there a different condition name for those who do not respond by pitching fits and breaking things and such? What about people who become timid around fit pullers and make efforts to avoid most negative emotions most of the time but have a lot of other symptoms like avoiding, nightmares, dissociative symptoms, ect.?

 

[Judge]

I may have been born with autism, however I wasn't born with OCD. That my doctor had to explain it to me how my OCD came about through multiple traumas happening in the same year and how it impacted my life.

I still recall how confused I was at first to understand how traumas can have long-lasting effects in some very "exotic" ways.

So I can relate to the following explanation about BPD, even though medical science still isn't entirely clear about its causes. Particularly the phrase "stressful life events".

"The exact causes of bipolar disorder are not fully understood, but it is believed to involve a combination of genetic, environmental, and biological factors. Genetic influences play a significant role, as bipolar disorder often runs in families, and studies suggest that "80 to 90 percent of individuals with bipolar disorder have a relative with bipolar disorder or depression." Additionally, environmental factors such as stressful life events and substance abuse can trigger or exacerbate the disorder."

 

[Xinyta]

I'm no expert, professor, king myself. Though I can say that conditions, like those, affect people based on the person themselves. As far as differences between the conditions, I really cannot say.

Though what I can tell you, is that I likely have PTSD or cPTSD myself. Which evolved into psychosis. Then into schizophrenia.

From what I am figuring out. I have a emotional problem with getting in trouble and all it entails. Yet I do things that actively cause those things to happen. My main delusional fear being that I'll be yelled at, called names, and/or insulted for something said or an action I make. So I try to avoid much interaction, especially confrontational interactions, as much as possible. Keep conversations limited and minimal. And just hope for that best. Though I also have a issue with standing and staring, when overwhelmed/confused. The anxiety takes over and I don't know what to do.

I feel attacked, despite no one attacking me.

It's largely self-inflicted trama. Though the catalyst is my parents. I've created this lie in my head that everything is wrong if I am not in trouble and being yelled at. Trapped in turmoil. Like a cage. Or a hamster wheel.

I have not faced the reality, til now, that this thought process isn't normal. That it isn't reality.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Google says: The main difference between PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) and CPTSD (Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) is that PTSD typically arises from a single traumatic event, while CPTSD is caused by prolonged, repeated trauma, often involving interpersonal abuse, leading to a wider range of symptoms including difficulties with emotion regulation, self-perception, and relationships, beyond the core PTSD symptoms like flashbacks and avoidance.

 

[Judge]

In as awful as it may be to deal personally with such disorders, I'm glad to at least have had my OCD explained to me, in better understanding what motivates some of my behaviors.

Though I continue to relive such selective traumas every time I park my car and momentarily lose sight of it whenever leaving a parking lot. But my sense of trauma usually lasts only a matter or seconds or minutes.

When I regain my composure and shake my head at myself over something that is beyond my control. Much as I felt many years ago, reliving coming back to a BART parking lot and finding only an empty space where my stolen car had once been.

Some total stranger needlessly took away part of my life I can never get back. And that was just one of other traumas I faced in the same time period.

 

[Xinyta]

Google says: The main difference between PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) and CPTSD (Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) is that PTSD typically arises from a single traumatic event, while CPTSD is caused by prolonged, repeated trauma, often involving interpersonal abuse, leading to a wider range of symptoms including difficulties with emotion regulation, self-perception, and relationships, beyond the core PTSD symptoms like flashbacks and avoidance.

It sounds like I have CPTSD then. That describes my struggles to alot of things. Daily life namely. Though that's also because of what I just posted too, with it evolving into psychosis/schizophrenia.

 

[mw2530]

I suspect many of us with autism have or had complex PTSD. In my youth, I had many experiences of not being able to fit in or make friends and feeling that I did not belong and was weird. While I could not explain what I was experiencing, the lack of connections with led to loneliness and feelings of inadequacy, among other things.

As for BPD, I suspect some of us may be susceptible because we often have large variations in our skills and abilities. I tend to be exceptional at a few things, but horrible at many things. Sure, there are some things I am just average at, but I sometimes wonder if this could lead to wide variations in moods. If I am doing something I really like or am good at, then I might be on a high. Conversely, doing something I hate or am bad, perhaps even at a debilitating level of bad, I am probably not going to be happy. Just a theory that our dissimilar abilities may make us susceptible to BPD.

 

[FayetheAspie]

I'm no expert, professor, king myself. Though I can say that conditions, like those, affect people based on the person themselves. As far as differences between the conditions, I really cannot say.

Though what I can tell you, is that I likely have PTSD or cPTSD myself. Which evolved into psychosis. Then into schizophrenia.

From what I am figuring out. I have a emotional problem with getting in trouble and all it entails. Yet I do things that actively cause those things to happen. My main delusional fear being that I'll be yelled at, called names, and/or insulted for something said or an action I make. So I try to avoid much interaction, especially confrontational interactions, as much as possible. Keep conversations limited and minimal. And just hope for that best. Though I also have a issue with standing and staring, when overwhelmed/confused. The anxiety takes over and I don't know what to do.

I feel attacked, despite no one attacking me.

It's largely self-inflicted trama. Though the catalyst is my parents. I've created this lie in my head that everything is wrong if I am not in trouble and being yelled at. Trapped in turmoil. Like a cage. Or a hamster wheel.

I have not faced the reality, til now, that this thought process isn't normal. That it isn't reality.

I do not relate to actively doing things to get in trouble. I do relate to being anxious that I will get in trouble though. For me this results more in analysis paralysis and difficulties making decisions for myself.

 

[Judge]

I do relate to being anxious that I will get in trouble though. For me this results more in analysis paralysis and difficulties making decisions for myself.

Hopefully if you get into a position of doing work that involves a great deal of responsibility over what may involve a great deal of money, that you can somehow get used to such things that may occur on a daily basis at work for you.

As an insurance underwriter I had to condition myself to work where I was responsible for insane amounts of money in terms of potential liability and policy premiums.

After a while I came to see just so many "zeros" and digits. Though the one thing I could never lose track up is that if I make a big mistake, it could easily result in termination.

 

[Xinyta]

I do not relate to actively doing things to get in trouble. I do relate to being anxious that I will get in trouble though. For me this results more in analysis paralysis and difficulties making decisions for myself.

That's the issue though. I am mentally mixed up and lead myself into self-sabotaging behaviors. Either out of fear, to not do something. Or out of panic, while I am doing something. Making silly mistakes.

In my youth, I had many experiences of not being able to fit in or make friends and feeling that I did not belong and was weird. While I could not explain what I was experiencing, the lack of connections with led to loneliness and feelings of inadequacy, among other things.

I can relate somewhat. I could never really fit in with kids too well either. Any I did interact with, was in passing. Any I did communicate with came and went. I didn't really have feelings here or there, either way.

 

[FayetheAspie]

Hopefully if you get into a position of doing work that involves a great deal of responsibility over what may involve a great deal of money, that you can somehow get used to such things that may occur on a daily basis at work for you.

As an insurance underwriter I had to condition myself to work where I was responsible for insane amounts of money in terms of potential liability and policy premiums.

After a while I came to see just so many "zeros" and digits. Though the one thing I could never lose track up is that if I make a big mistake, it could easily result in termination.

I have no plans to work in a finance career. Laboratory work involves responsibilities too though just not money in particular. I'm not really following your thought patterns about needing to work with money in particular.

 

[Judge]

I have no plans to work in a finance career. Laboratory work involves responsibilities too though just not money in particular. I'm not really following your thought patterns about needing to work with money in particular.

No, I'm just citing that some jobs may involve more value and priority than others. That if and when they do, you may have to reorient your thought process. Don't assume that such work is necessarily benign or without value. It may, and you may or may not be apprised of it.

There are any number of workers out there who assume they are nothing but a "msall cog in a big wheel". However sometimes the work they do may collectively be quite important and valuable to an employer beyond what you really know about your job.

These are dynamics that can pop up in any field of endeavor- not merely finance.

Such as understanding your personal liability in the event you work with potentially hazardous substances. There's more to it than just monetary value of what you may think you work with. Being overly concerned about such things can be taxing. But perhaps worse is not to give them any thought at all.

 

[FayetheAspie]

That's the issue though. I am mentally mixed up and lead myself into self-sabotaging behaviors. Either out of fear, to not do something. Or out of panic, while I am doing something. Making silly mistakes.

I think I misunderstood what you meant by actively causing yourself to get in trouble. I thought you were like shoplifting or something just to get yourself in trouble. It sounds more like you meant something along the lines of accidently buying the wrong brand of something that someone had you pick up for them because you were so nervous that you would buy the wrong thing that you end up getting confused and really getting the wrong thing. Is that a better example of what you meant?

 

[FayetheAspie]

No, I'm just citing that some jobs may involve more value and priority than others. That if and when they do, you may have to reorient your thought process. Don't assume that such work is necessarily benign or without value. It may, and you may or may not be apprised of it.

There are any number of workers out there who assume they are nothing but a "msall cog in a big wheel". However sometimes the work they do may collectively be quite important and valuable to an employer beyond what you really know about your job.

These are dynamics that can pop up in any field of endeavor- not merely finance.

The retail job I used to be at would not allow me to work in produce because when they sent me to cull (remove damaged fruits and veggies), I did too thorough of a job. They wanted to keep some of the less damaged goods on the shelf even though the training video had said that items in their condition should go. I think that I often got in trouble for doing the job too thoroughly in management's opinion while simultaneously being nervous that I would get in trouble for missing something. Talk about irony.

 

[Judge]

The retail job I used to be at would not allow me to work in produce because when they sent me to cull (remove damaged fruits and veggies), I did too thorough of a job. They wanted to keep some of the less damaged goods on the shelf even though the training video had said that items in their condition should go.

An example of products liability concerns...but they can count a great deal relative to things like spoilage and contamination. Especially in the event they make a number of persons gravely ill distributed over a large area.

Having underwritten food processors on an industrial scale I could discuss some real horror stories when businesses choose to break the rules or cut corners just to make more money. Though indeed, it happens.

Funny to recall as well when I worked as a lowly delivery truck driver and warehouseman at a major electronic parts wholesaler. When at one point one of the inhouse salesman reminded me of the cost of the light bulbs inadvertently broken in transport. Ouch...it was definitely a warning. A lesson for me in underrating the value of my own job.

 

[Raggamuffin]

Tim Fletcher or Gabor Mate in YouTube can explain in depth about CPTSD and its characteristics

Ed

 

[Xinyta]

I think I misunderstood what you meant by actively causing yourself to get in trouble. I thought you were like shoplifting or something just to get yourself in trouble. It sounds more like you meant something along the lines of accidently buying the wrong brand of something that someone had you pick up for them because you were so nervous that you would buy the wrong thing that you end up getting confused and really getting the wrong thing. Is that a better example of what you meant?

Yeah. That's generally what I mean. Not serious things. But stuff where someone would question why you did it that way, or got something wrong. I do it so often, that it looks like I do it for attention. And subconsciously, I could be.

 

[FayetheAspie]

My dad used to tell me that I was stupid, helpless, ect. if a bag of groceries fell over in the truck seat or something. It's hard but I'm trying to learn not to view every negative thing he says about me as a fact. I even remember a time when I was a child when he deliberately slammed a door open and closed repeatedly very hard until it was broken when he stopped. He then required me to apologize for breaking the door that he just stood in front of me and broke. I knew I didn't do that but I still had to apologize to avoid him punishing me. When I actually yelled back at him one day around the age of 28 after years of such, he suddenly stopped acted shocked and started gaslighting me by saying that he had never seen such evil in his life. People in our town think he's sweet though. He lies about my Mama and claims that she has "brain damage" she does NOT have and tell them that I'm "crazy". I still remember the time he stepped down on my Mama's hand with his boot and made it bleed. He was all giddy about seeing the blood and watched her bandage her wound. He literally told her that she should be grateful he didn't grind his heel into her hand.