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Do you NOT believe in any form of God

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Tarragon

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The discussion on the "Do you believe in God" thread is turning inevitably into a slanging match between different people's beliefs/ideas/logic/illogic, so I think it's only fair that a separate thread for people who are totally without any beliefs to discuss their own ideas.

Makes it fair?

Anyway, I will kick off the thread to state that I do not believe in anything whatsoever, and I am perfectly happy and living a healthy and respectable life despite it, and so I am living proof that you do not need religion to tell you how to behave!

Any takers, or am I alone?

;)
 
I used to not-believe and now I believe. However, I believe you can live a good, full, and happy life whether or not you believe in any kind of god(s) or religion(s), or whether you are even spiritual in any way. It's all about figuring out how things will work for you to make that happen.
 
I do but it doesn't really look like the god we're taught about in any of your regular religions. No old man up in the sky that we talk to when we want something, I think of it more in an abstract way, like a creative/sustaining/destructive force. I can see proof of that in the world and in my life, and while it may just be unexplained physics or random occurrence it also may be something else.
 
I don't believe in any God or any type of supernatural. I think the best method of understanding the universe is to base our knowledge off of observed data in a rigorous fashion. When applying that to the notion of the supernatural, there simply is no evidence. There is a lot of stuff that we do not understand about the universe, and claiming that "god did it" for what we don't yet understand is counterproductive, and in my opinion, kind of dishonest. The universe is an awesome place. There's no need to spoil that by trying to explain it with inherently untestable ideas. :)
 
I don't believe in God as a person up in Heaven. I just can't see it. Maybe if "God" is an all-encompassing phrase which really means "love, mercy and forgiveness", then I might believe.

I cant get my head around religion, other than to say that many people live under it and many use it for emotional support, I personally couldn't do that.
 
So far, so good.... No arguing yet! :) I wonder if there is less arguing amongst people coming in from this angle rather than the other one? I suppose time will tell... :D
 
I have to say that when I saw the intro post for the other thread, I was shocked and very offended. It was written from an extraordinarily condescending angle (ie the idea that people who believe in God or have faith are stupid) which is NOT true in a lot of people, including me. As I already said, I have also been a non-believer, and the believing part also did not come lightly or without a LOT of thinking. The flat-out insult in the intro post is probably what led to all the fighting. This thread is so far nowhere near that mean. :)
 
I don't believe, neither does my husband (he wrote a book about the subject) or our little girl.
 
Anyway, I will kick off the thread to state that I do not believe in anything whatsoever, and I am perfectly happy and living a healthy and respectable life despite it, and so I am living proof that you do not need religion to tell you how to behave!

I believe in God, but see no need for religion. From my perspective, I believe we come temporarily to this plane of existence as eternal souls only to learn. Not to behave. A process that God is very unlikely to interfere with.

IMO this is NOT our primary plane of existence and never was. Whether a soul believes in God or not isn't critical to their "education" on this plane of existence. Equally I'm comfortable without having all the answers religion often implies.

So, we agree to agree....and disagree at the same time.
 
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I believe in God, but see no need for religion. From my perspective, I believe we come temporarily to this plane of existence as eternal souls only to learn. Not to behave. A process that God is very unlikely to interfere with.

IMO this is NOT our primary plane of existence and never was. Whether a soul believes in God or not isn't critical to their "education" on this plane of existence. Equally I'm comfortable without having all the answers religion often implies.

So, we agree to agree....and disagree at the same time.

The bit that I can never get to with the other thread is that there is some evidence (woa!) that this universe may be some sort of simulation. I am not going into the details (google!) but it's fun because its people who use computers that see patterns that suggest new theories based on... the universe being a computer simulation!! Ah well, it's patterns invented in swirling smoke really, but the fun bit is that we can't prove/disprove that we are in a simulated universe because we are on the inside looking out. The point of all this is that it may very well be a "school" for us to learn in, but what are the criteria for passing the exam at the end?! :D

I just guess I am intolerant of closed minds, as we are never going to know the absolute truth as there are always more questions. The thought, to me, of deciding to spend the rest of my life professing to know the answer is horrendous. It's like sticking your head in the sand and never appreciating what's around you. But, just because I claim to not know all the answers, it isn't an invite for other people to claim they are right because they claim they do!!

At the end of the day, we are all made of stardust. That's a fact, and how wonderful is that?

:)
 
The point of all this is that it may very well be a "school" for us to learn in, but what are the criteria for passing the exam at the end?!

On this secondary plane of existence, I believe we aren't supposed to know. Otherwise it could spoil the whole purpose of the exercise.

However on our primary plane of existence, that "criteria" is concisely spelled out. Where upon return, we are formally "debriefed" where we compare the lives we lived here, versus what expectations WE carefully crafted there.

What does it take to fail the exam and have to retake it? I don't know....I can only speculate. However it's all only speculation, but I also believe it's our right to do so. I just tend to cringe over those who insist they have THE answer. Whether a believer or not.

It's why bad things happen to good people. By our own design, as freaky as that may sound from a perspective of being on this plane of existence. In my own mind, it's the only thing that makes cosmic sense to my own existence. Where we must ultimately seek our own truths exclusively on our own.
 
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Hmmm, wasn't it an ancient philosopher who, long ago, created the immortal phrase to sum up our part in the universe? I believe that, translated into modern English, the phrase translates as "Sh@t happens!"

:D
 
Hmmm, wasn't it an ancient philosopher who, long ago, created the immortal phrase to sum up our part in the universe? I believe that, translated into modern English, the phrase translates as "Sh@t happens!"

:D

LOL...yup, some of that exists in my universe too. ;)

I just think the important thing is that whatever one's belief or non-belief system may be, that they get something positive out of it.
 
Considering the varieties of religious expression that have existed and still exist, I consider this question more fairly worded than on the previous forum. "Do you believe in God" has an inherent bias in it towards (male) monotheism. If you don't believe me, ask yourself if the question "Do you believe in Goddess" would evoke the same reaction and if not, why not?

Personally, I don't believe there is any neutral way of asking this question without revealing biases. "God/Godess" still implies monotheism. I suppose one could ask, "Do you believe in Gods/Goddesses (plural)?" but this question would probably not make sense to a monotheist. Likewise "Do you believe in God" does not make sense to a polytheist who would have to ask, which one?

For the record, if anyone doesn't know by now, I am an agnostic (meaning I don't know) atheist (meaning that I don't believe there is anything supernatural outside the universe as we know it).
 
So.. In a way, I kind of crave order and logic. I'm like Spock on startrek "That is illogical Cap't". Given the facts that exist, I dont know how anyone could come to a logical conclusion that even though humanity has existed for 80k+ years. it was exactly 2000 years ago, that they figured it all out.

I only say that, because it is my Aspie thought process, that wants facts and logic. The truth is, I am jealous of people that have religion. It seems like a wonderful and beautiful crutch to lean on. I'd love to think that everything happens for a reason and things arent just arbitrary.

I'm also jealous of people who like sports. Sports and religion. lol
 
Considering the varieties of religious expression that have existed and still exist, I consider this question more fairly worded than on the previous forum. "Do you believe in God" has an inherent bias in it towards (male) monotheism. If you don't believe me, ask yourself if the question "Do you believe in Goddess" would evoke the same reaction and if not, why not?

Personally, I don't believe there is any neutral way of asking this question without revealing biases. "God/Goddess" still implies monotheism. I suppose one could ask, "Do you believe in Gods/Goddesses (plural)?" but this question would probably not make sense to a monotheist. Likewise "Do you believe in God" does not make sense to a polytheist who would have to ask, which one?

For the record, if anyone doesn't know by now, I am an agnostic (meaning I don't know) atheist (meaning that I don't believe there is anything supernatural outside the universe as we know it).

The way you could fix this would be to ask, "Do you believe in any sort of God(s) or Goddess(es)?" It's still more confusing to the monotheistic mind, but that mind can still understand this sentence. Anyone who isn't monotheistic would have zero trouble, as would atheistic or agnostic individuals.

I used to be an agnostic too, actually... and even now I am still questioning basically everything Christian. This does have to include God on some level, because my idea of God comes from the Christian faith, generally speaking. I question whether Jesus was actually any sort of prophet, let alone a savior; I question how much of the Bible (the entire Bible) is actually true and how much may have been made up; I certainly don't believe in things like Jesus being born without sex being involved, although IF God did exist in the form he is presented in via the Bible, he COULD make that happen. But that leads to the question about whether God exists as the Bible would paint him.

I've just recently purchased the New International Version of the Bible, as it's the most well-researched and accurate translation to date, and I find myself troubled by a lot of things I read in it. This idea of an angry, jealous, vengeful God, for example. I do not believe God is like that, and if I did, I would not worship such a god. Period. Anger and vengefulness, especially the latter, are two things I detest, and they also utterly conflict with my first ever feeling of God coming to me: pure and total joy. God came to me basically as unadulterated joy that definitely did NOT come from me, because I was utterly joyless before that moment. But suddenly I was filled with it; and every time I would pray to God in the following days and weeks, the same feeling would come over me and fill me and just radiate through me very powerfully. THAT's what I believe God is. But even Jesus talks in the New Testament about how God gets angry at things, and even Jesus uses his (so-called) Godly "powers" to, for example, destroy a fig tree because he went to it when hungry and it had no figs. Like, what kind of Son of God would do that sort of thing? Is this a Son of God I would WANT to worship? (And couldn't he have just used the power to make the fig tree bloom?) I know this example sounds small and possibly silly, but there are many more similar to it... I just haven't read enough of the Bible yet to be able to quote examples. I haven't even gotten through Matthew, and I've started my studies with the New Testament, so.

Basically... if I ever DO again become a full, true Christian, it will be because I studied the Bible thoroughly, and made a critical examination of it, and also of myself. I still lean very heavily towards believing in God, to the point that I probably do at least believe in a force of that joy, or a force of good, in the world. But I've never been sure if that force is somehow equal to whatever created the universe (as in, the same God did or is both things), and IF God is in any way vengeful or angry -- and if so, why would he have those emotions in the first place? I know for a fact that I do not believe in hell or Satan (as an entity; there are definitely forces of darkness in the world, too), and I have doubts about heaven, although at this point I'm believing in spirits, thanks to Long Island Medium. If you can't tell, everything is very confused for me faith AND religious-wise, so it's no wonder I'm turning to texts to study to try and figure it out. When in doubt, research research research till your brain can't take anymore, then repeat the process as many times as you need to to try and figure out the answers to your questions. That's just what I do.
 
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I personally don't care about religion.
I was baptised as a Mormon when I was younger (didn't hardly understand what was going on) but I just go with whatever my heart and mind go for.
 
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