does it bother you that innocent kids are taken into protective custody?

[alien girl]

I just found out on the net that sometimes, when a kid was abused, the police take the kid into prison instead of a foster home under the excuse that it's in the child 'best interest.' a child can be held in lockup for 48 hours without a trial.

it seems to me that they can just put the kid in a faraway foster home and not tell anyone where he is, or a safe house. There's also police protection.

and I dont believe in the whole country they cant find a foster or group home/orphanage. sounds like they're too lazy to look too far, and simply throwing an innocent child who'd been traumatized in prison is easier than police protection, more convenient.

and knowing the justic system, somehow i have a nagging suspicion that the child will not be allowed to walk freely in the building and yard while the other inmates are locked up, and will be forced to wear prison uniforms. that they won't bend the rules just because it's an innocent kid. that he'd be subject to the same punishing and opressive restrictions criminals are, although they have nothing to do with safety and security.

a woman i know told me about a safe house for abused women. they should have one for abused children instead of jail. it can be secured with cameras and guards.

i know this doesnt happen often, and usually kids end up in foster homes. but on the rare occasions that it does, what do you think?

 

[Sev]

Source?

 

[alien girl]

Source?

KSA 38-2242: Ex parte orders of protectivecustody; application; determination of probable cause; period of time;placement; procedures; orders for removal of child from custody of parent,limitations.

read section 2, near the end.
the child may be placed in a juvenile detention facility or other secure facility pursuant to an order of protective custody for a period of not to exceed 24 hours, excluding Saturdays, Sundays and legal holidays.

why not a shelter or foster home, a group home, anything?

if the child is in danger from someone who might intimidate him, why not get a restraining order and inform the caretakers to keep him away from the kid and call police immediately if they see him?

24 hours is a long time to lock an innocent kid. this is sickening and completely unnecessary.

 

[Ste11aeres]

I'm guessing that the reason is that it takes time to find a foster home. They need to bring the child to someplace safe, fast and right away, and this might be the only place they can bring him or her to so quickly.
It's only brief and temporary.
And don't assume that a group home or shelter is really that different.

 

[alien girl]

I'm guessing that the reason is that it takes time to find a foster home. They need to bring the child to someplace safe, fast and right away, and this might be the only place they can bring him or her to so quickly.
It's only temporary.

i think if they have time to take the kid to prison, then they have time to put him in a shelter. there are many emergency homes and shelters. if they can find a prison for children, they can find a home. or they should just pick up the phone and call children services and let them handle it.

perhaps they look for a shelter in the immediate area only, and too lazy to look farther than that. otherwise, they'd find someplace.

they can just put the child in a hotel room/apartment. i read that keeping someone in jail costs 100$ a day. with this price, they can afford a hotel room and a babysitter.

they should have a safe house that accepts kids immediately 24/7.

and even in jail, at least the kid should be allowed to walk freely in the building and yard whenever he wants. he's not there to be punished, but to be protected. and somehow i have a feeling this isnt happening. i doubt they'll bend the rules just to be fair and human. you know how the system is.

if the other inmates are locked in their cells, and the halls are filled with security cameras, then it's not dangerous for the kid to walk around.

 

[Ste11aeres]

I think you're jumping to conclusions about what kind of a place such a child will actually be in. We're talking about a juvenile detention center, which is not the same thing as a maximum security prison for adults. Some of these juvenile detention facilities basically are the exact same thing as group homes. But it does vary, from place to place and center to center. Youth detention center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And "other secure facility" can include such things as shelters and other types of group homes.

 

[alien girl]

OMG, i had no idea

I think you're jumping to conclusions about what kind of a place such a child will actually be in. We're talking about a juvenile detention center, which is not the same thing as a maximum security prison for adults. Some of these juvenile detention facilities basically are the exact same thing as group homes. But it does vary, from place to place and center to center. Youth detention center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And "other secure facility" can include such things as shelters and other types of group homes.

OMG, I had no idea that in a group home, kids are locked up in their rooms! i thought they were allowed to walk the building and fenced in yard freely.

 

[Ste11aeres]

I think the more traumatising thing for these kids is the fact of having a family that was so abusive that they had to be removed.

 

[Flinty]

I'm guessing that the reason is that it takes time to find a foster home.

Or, in these parts, the foster homes are deemed "unsuitable" by Child & Family Services because it would be politically incorrect to place a child with someone not of his or her ethnic background.

 

[Ste11aeres]

Or, in these parts, the foster homes are deemed "unsuitable" by Child & Family Services because it would be politically incorrect to place a child with someone not of his or her ethnic background.

Wow. Not a good wow.

 

[AsheSkyler]

Jail, foster home, school, hospitals, they're all prisons to me. At least in a real jail there's a chance your guard is carrying mace and a stick to use on the bully kicking your butt. Good luck if it's an adult pushing you around.

 

[alien girl]

I think the more traumatising thing for these kids is the fact of having a family that was so abusive that they had to be removed.

of course! there's no doubt about that. but this isnt the authorities' fault, and nothing can be done about that.

naturally, knowing you cant trust your own parents and being abused and maybe even molested is so much worse than being locked up, extremely so. this is the worst thing ever. i cant begin to imagine how those kids must be feeling.

 

[musclecarman]

that sucks its good that I live in New Zealand the most free country in the world

 

[Ste11aeres]

Does anyone have any statistics on how frequently this is what is actually done?

 

[alien girl]

Does anyone have any statistics on how frequently this is what is actually done?

it probably doesnt happen unless the cops have an excuse, like it's a small county, we dont have many foster homes, there's fear the abuser would go after the kid, blah, blah, blah.

those are excuses and not reasons, because you can put a kid in a foster home in any county in the country, and social services are supposed to handle it and not the cops anyway, and there are safe houses and police protection. i think cops just like throwing kids in jail. i've seen cops do all kind of things you wouldnt imagine with my own eyes, and they're a lot like criminals themselves.

the cant do it frequently because then people will get mad, and the media will scream blue murder, and protests and all. doing it every once in a great while under some circumstances is their way to keep it quiet.

if there's a loophole in the law, then it must happen sometimes. I dont care if it only happened to a few kids. IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL OF US!

 

[alien girl]

that sucks its good that I live in New Zealand the most free country in the world

maybe you should check out what happens in new Zealand in cases like this, because i didnt know this happens until i happened to accidentally run into it on the internet.