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Dress Code

Geordie

Geordie
"If you're outfit consists of a hat, t-shirt, long baggy shorts or jeans and tennis shoes, you will be turned away."

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I saw this on a restaurant's website. It's located in suburban Metro Detroit in America.

This is my usual outfit when I'm not at work. Well, it's a dress code, so either I change my clothes or I eat elsewhere.

But why such dress codes are instituted in even a restaurant where people chill out? Is there discrimination based on how we wear in America (and other countries)?
 
I thought those dress code type restaurants were on its way out.

Down here, Binion's used to have a steakhouse back when it was the Horseshoe where the dress code was at the very least, semi-formal. They got rid of the dress code after the name change. Most places here that aren't Michelin-star venues have pretty much got rid of the dress code and some have gotten lax. I know it was a lot worse way back when.
 
Thanks. I just want to go to restaurants in what I feel comfortable. And no, I don't care whatever stars, I just want to fill my stomach :)
 
I think it could be all about location. In America, I dont know but here in my home town, you can walk in for a meal into one of the many gourmet French restaurants in tee shirt, shorts and flip flops, no one cares, casual is king. At the nudist resort, people dine naked
 
I think it could be all about location. In America, I dont know but here in my home town, you can walk in for a meal into one of the many gourmet French restaurants in tee shirt, shorts and flip flops, no one cares, casual is king. At the nudist resort, people dine naked

I'd love to live to in where you live. A place where casual is king sounds like a great place.
 
I don't think I've been to a restaurant with an enforced dress code. The majority of certain high-end restaurants' patrons are well-dressed, but I can't imagine someone would be turned down if they're dressed in casual attire. I think dress codes are silly and I wouldn't choose to eat somewhere that requires you to dress a certain way. I don't like restaurants anyway.
 
Me too.

Restaurants, in my opinion, are high-priced dinners or lunches that we can only have once in a while.
 
I agree. My mother loves going to restaurants even though she claims not to have much money. We could buy a week's worth of food for the price of one trip to a restaurant! It's wasteful.
 
Maybe, one day, if I have all the time I have doing nothing but cooking-related stuff, I should consider doing a YouTube series about cooking healthy food with a shoestring budget. :)

And wear tank tops and torn, tattered jeans while filming the video.

Sounds ghetto, but well, the nice healthy food is not totally ghetto at all. :P
 
Here in Scotland if you go to a restaurant you can usually get away with being casual as long as your reasonably smart too ie no ripped jeans or flip flops. Back in the 1980s in order to get into nightclubs you had to at least wear a collar and tie but I think its less formal nowadays.
 
I think that dress codes are largely a thing of the past BUT people must respect the type of restaurant they are patronizing. Some places are very causal-friendly (pizza places, burger joints, some chain restaurants). Others are fine dining places where the atmosphere, fine service & ambiance is a part of what people pay for. Respect has to go both ways. Ripped jeans, baggy shirts & a baseball cap are fine in some environments but they aren't appropriate for opera premi?res & very formal occasions (like weddings & funerals).

We all want to wear what feels comfortable & I love my Roots kangahoodies & flannel PJ bottoms BUT for formal events I cannot avoid or that occasional cocktail party or social event, I dress with respect for the hosts & the occasion. There are some steak houses in Montreal where people go wearing everything from jeans to suits but there are those few places (like the formal Japanese restaurant where you go by reservation only) where dressing casually would be like a slap in the face to the establishment. Here, the meal preparation is a carefully choreographed ritual performed by a chef who trained in Japan for many years in order to perfect his craft: this kind of fine dining isn't just about filling one's belly but about a cultural exchange & a sharing of ancestral knowledge. Japanese women go dressed in spectacular hand embroidered formal silk kimonos looking like fairies. Western women & men dress formally & somewhat modestly (no skin tight dress with a plunging neckline) reflecting their appreciation for the host.

I don't like stodgy pointless formality & dress codes that seem arbitrary either but there are always those disrespectful people who will oth dress & behave oorishly unless some kind of boundaries are in place.
 
I find myself dressing oddly at times, often being over-dressed or wearing a sweater as a skirt, which can get me odd looks, but I no longer "break the dress code." I always did at school. I'm glad there are dresscodes at some places even in America because I don't want to see certain things.
 
"If you're...." and then I stopped reading. I'm not a grammar nazi at all, but if companies try to come across as "stylish" by restricting stuff, I don't know if faulty grammar will adress anyone interested in going there.

That being said... dresscodes. It's something that haunts me for over 15 years now.

That started out when I was halfway in my teens and I got in trouble over shirts I wore in high school. I got sent home and expected to return with "less offensive" things. That went on day in, day out at some point (up to the point where shirts that were previously ok, all of a sudden weren't). That ended up in the local newspaper, then went national... and almost on tv. I wrote about it in another thread a while ago here.

Later in life, I got in trouble at college where teachers weren't ok with "my look". There, teachers didn't mind what my shirts said or depicted, there, they had an issue over so called "bodily embelishments". In my early 20's I sported about a dozen or so, facial piercings... and that, was an issue.

Much later, as recent as 2 years ago, I was denied entrance to pubs and bars because of my looks. An owner asked if I was a bit early for our national dress up festivities (much like halloween, just less scary and in the beginning of the year). That ended up in an argument. His argument was that my appearance might make people want to leave. I never went back there again. And only a year before that I got denied entrance while going out with 2 friends. The bouncer just stopped me before entering and nodded no... my friends tried to argue with him, but I didn't even care about it. I was slightly irate. There was no reason why I was denied even, and a lot of bouncers (at least here) will not even argue with words... you'll end up getting punched in the face.

And in those cases, that are more recent, it wasn't because it was some kind of outrageous shirt I was wearing. I had a hoodie on, so little would they know. Better yet, I didn't have such a shirt on me then. Apparently some clubs and/or bouncers make a fuss if you look a bit "different". God forbid you have your lip pierced once, or your hair is styled like a little mohawk (and it wasn't even that I had my head shaven or anything... if anything it could pass as a Beckham style "fauxhawk" even).

The thing that irks me most about dresscodes is the vagueness of the rules.

Looking at the link provided;

no excessively baggy clothing, no clothing with offensive writing.... what's excessive and what's offensive? Apparently some people get offended if your shirt says something clever they don't understand, since they get offended by you making them look stupid. The dresscode rules even have a rather silly oxymoron; Long shorts? What the? Quite sure that if I go there in speedo's it's not ok either.

Similarly, I encountered one club over here that in fact has a sign up stating "dress suitably". What is suitably? Does that mean I have to dress to current trends? Quite sure that if I'm a 30 year old dressing like a 15 year old, they'll tell me "you're overdressed", and that doesn't fit likewise.

Somehow I feel that the entire "dresscode" thing, especially in contemporary settings like clubs and bars, as well as "dresscodes" for jobs and schools might be a problem for aspies even. I don't think it's a wrong "assumption" that a lot of us don't really care, nor put thought in, dressing as flashy as possible FOR OTHERS. I dress A. because it's an social understanding that we wear clothes and B. because... I like to look good, and therefore wear what I want to wear, not what I should wear.

If any place wants to enforce dresscodes, make uniforms mandatory.

And yet I return back to "the vagueness of rules". If there are rules, I want to understand why they are. Much like denial at a club, one could state; you look different, and we don't know if our regular "kind of people" will tolerate that, and this might cause problems. That would be the marketing explanation; but in fact they're saying "we run a club with intolerant people, and we see no problem in excluding others".

Aspies and vagueness :rolleyes2:

/rant
 
Nice rant! you had me LOL at the 'vision' of you showing up at that restaurant with a speedo, a dozen facial piercings, purple hair & a t-shirt that proclaimed "GO F#$% YOURSELF!" . The arbitrariness of dress codes & when it seems pointless & random makes no sense to me.

For me (unless there's a uniform-type thing like 'lack tie' or Venetian Ball) it means the parameters of hygiene & common sense. I don't want to see anyone's nasty old but crack, I don't need to see anyone's hairy legs through their torn to shreds jeans & I don't want 8" of your cleavage in my face & I never want to see your thong. Failing those things, your piercings, tattoos, green hair or most anything else doesn't bother me a whit.
 
I went to Catholic schools for 12-years where we always had a dress code. By the time I reached High School I was at a rebellious, Punk Rock stage of my life and fought against this as often as possible (Usually getting in trouble during the process).

Now I dress pretty plain, overall.
 
Here in Scotland if you go to a restaurant you can usually get away with being casual as long as your reasonably smart too ie no ripped jeans or flip flops. Back in the 1980s in order to get into nightclubs you had to at least wear a collar and tie but I think its less formal nowadays.

If I know I have to wear a collar and a tie anywhere, I will just stay at home and read Plato in a wifebeater and long baggy, sagging shorts.
 
A wife beater is a singlet, a tank top.

It's stereotypically associated with low-class people, since Marlon Brando first worn it as part of his character in 'A Streetcar Named Desire', where he portrays a man with ill temper, sloppy and drunken. I use it in contrast to philosophical works that only high-class people may engage in.
 
I've worked in restaurants most of my life, so I understand. They're trying to attract a certain type of clientele. A typically neurotypcial clientele. That is who they make most of their money off of, that is who they are trying to attract. The dress code is a way to both attract that clientele and make them feel comfortable, because that is who they make most of their money off of. I've eaten at many a restaurant where is was slacks, dress shirt, tie, and dinner coat or you were turned away (or they had a "loaner" jacket for you). Yes, it is old fashioned, but most people with the kind of money they're after still dress like that. It is their business, they can ask whatever they want. IMO if they want to require that I be shirtless and strokin' my cod at the bar before I am served, it's within their right as a private business.
 

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