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Dropping Out

total-recoil

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I think this is now maybe my objective. Totally reducing expenses and going self employed just to maintain the basics. I say this because as the economic situation seems to worsen, you can't predict how long employment will go on.
Of course, the problem always is having an idea. I did have a little success making money on ebay at one time although not enough to create a living wage.
I do know one or two people who are self employed. One is doing boat trips and meals and just about breaking even perhaps and someone else sells audio and DJ equipment. My idea would be very low overheads but something specialised. I am still pulled towards online sales but think I need a specific angle.
Anyone think about this kind of thing?
 
I've went through this idea and seeing if it would be an option, considering my outlook for any type of employment is virtually zero. And even if it were.. it's not sustainable in the sense that long term employment will end up being a case of "getting lucky" and get hired at companies and hope they don't let you go within a month. And that's the optimistic cases IMO... I'm not even talking people with no degree or limited experience or capabilities.

The problem I have with this, isn't that you can live "on the cheap", since that's totally an option. It's where governments become to nosey that they want to know where someone makes his money off (and most likely the IRS, or whatever you call the national tax collecting agency is where you live) does have this information. The moment you have zero income they will ask questions and you will at some point have to make a statement along with a full investigation on how you make money. That then furthers in taxes, registration at the chamber of commerce and you'll end up with more than you can ever make in a money, just to cover expenses and registration fees, apart from "making a living". It's a reason why both one man stores as well as online businesses are running out of business. The overhead, just to exist as a service is ridiculous. But maybe that's just how it's done here... over here it almost seems like their punishing people for trying to be self-sufficient and check up on every business as if it is a drugdealer.

An issue I have with it being an option is that you need to have some kind of starting assets first. Of those 2 people you know, one most likely has a boat (or access to a boat; not to mention documentation to operate a boat) and the other one had assets to get started to sell said equipment. I don't even have the room to operate an online business. I have a bedroom... and that's all I have, and it surely isn't big enough for storage. So for me to start being viable I need to have sources and/or assets to get into something. It's pretty much like that catch 22 society dictates quite often. Most people start on their own after having a decently paid job and the ability to save a decent penny over time. That gets you assets, a house (even if it's rented), maybe a car (and license)... so for me it's becoming an increasingly harder situation since I'm pretty much below starter level for the workforce with only little opportunity to save up.

That all being said, I've considered doing commission based miniature painting. That can earn a decent amount if you're good. But mostly it's not something people do as their only job. It's like a 2nd job on friday nights... or if you have a decent paying part-time job and have a lot of spare time because of this... it's more like an extra income. Which probably, compared to the time invested is underpaid, but if people have time on their hands and no use for it, I guess it's not time wasted either. Even if you can turn an hour of work into 2 bucks it's still 2 bucks of otherwise wasted time. I just don't know if I'm that driven and passionate about it. I'm already having a hard time motivating myself to get painting at times... forcing deadlines wouldn't work a lot better either. And, as with what I mentioned earlier in this post... room/space is an issue. MOst people I know that do their own commission painting have a big painting area, ventilation, loads of paints, airbrushes and can pretty much do any job. That's something that's often acquired due to having a job and being passionate about said activity and thus being driven to do this a lot of hours after work. I'm totally not in that place to think about those expenses. I'd probably need a house with at least a suitable spare room first.
 
Found out today am apparently out of a job after a year. I was employed in a factory through an agency and what happened is there is a boss in the factory quite high up who has a grudge against me. I have never met this guy and don't recall having ever spoken to him but have been told through several sources he has it in for me. So, last week I was working with four other people and I was definitely just doing my job and working. In fact, I was being careful to get on with the task at hand and keep busy as I knew there were managers in the area. Next thing I knew, after break I came back and the agency informed me I had to leave the building as this boss had apparently complained to the agency. He told them I hadn't been working and should leave. I was stunned. Another guy who'd been working with me was also asked to go home under the same pretext but I believe he is back at work now. I think he basically just got caught up in the crossfire.
Anyway, I have been told various things. First of all. the agency have told me there is a manager who doesn't want me there but that, in their view, there is no problem with my work. They also told me today that there is nothing they can do as they (the agency) are providing a service and if a customer isn't happy their hands are tied. I would say a pretty good term I'd use to describe it is "cut loose".
So, naturally I'm upset as you can imagine but also very angry. We all have to fill forms in at work to record our output and all my figures are acceptable and compare with everyone else. I've never been late and always turn up.
Anyway the question is this: Do I have a case for discrimination? I know I definitely stand out with the aspergers situation and the truth is this kind of thing has been happening most of my life, except now I know aspergers is definitely part of the equation and draws attention to me. And now that I know, I really am far less tolerant of abuse or discrimination if I figure it's a factor. P.S. as many know I'm not officially diagnosed but am positive I do have aspergers.
Suffice it to say, on the one hand I don't want to be part of such a **** organization anymore and, on the other hand, I figure if they're allowed to get away with this, it could harm my chances of getting any other job or even disqualify me from social security (people normally are asked to leave work for gross misconduct).
For the next two days I'm hoping to calm down as I'm very angry and then I plan to take things step by step. And yes, I'm already considering seeing a legal consultant and making an official complaint but, other than that, don't think I should dwell on it too much as such a situation can drag you into a spiral of anxiety and anger (as opposed to rational, objective thinking).
Any suggestions appreciated.
 
P.S. I mentioned I had met a girl there who had a PHD in neurobiology and studying psychiatry (with emphasis on autism spectrum). Sadly, she has left now before I got chance to talk further with her about the autism spectrum. However, I recall she did tell me she had had problems related to her work there at the factory and also she'd had major financial difficulties funding her studies. Anyway, she told me she had made a formal complaint and there had been an internal tribunal hearing which she won. The manager who targeted her was found to be on slippery ground. This girl is neurotypical but clearly very intelligent if she has two PHD's so you wonder if they target people who may somehow seem not to belong to the environment or appear too smart.
 
"The moment you have zero income they will ask questions and you will at some point have to make a statement along with a full investigation on how you make money. That then furthers in taxes, registration at the chamber of commerce and you'll end up with more than you can ever make in a money, just to cover expenses and registration fees, apart from "making a living"."

Don't really see what they can do. If the Government chooses to not give jobseekers social security while they look for work on the basis they aren't doing enough and the jobseekers finds whatever ways and means to make an income (excluding crime), what can they say? I'm aware someone who does more serious selling on ebay can be traced and required to open a business e-account so that I agree is a snag. Anyway, that isn't what concerns me really, more so the difficulty of making an actual income. Ideally I'd love to take care of dogs and cats while people are on holiday, maybe a bit of painting and DIY. I also have an interest in selling specialised books on the net but, as you said, that sort of thing makes a bit of cash but not what you'd call a proper wage.
Anyway, I would like to say to you I hope you do think of some idea on the horizon and not to be too hard on yourself despite the dire state of the economy (which isn't our fault). At least you have your parents to live with and ,who knows, maybe you could get in another rock band and make your music pay.



I've went through this idea and seeing if it would be an option, considering my outlook for any type of employment is virtually zero. And even if it were.. it's not sustainable in the sense that long term employment will end up being a case of "getting lucky" and get hired at companies and hope they don't let you go within a month. And that's the optimistic cases IMO... I'm not even talking people with no degree or limited experience or capabilities.

The problem I have with this, isn't that you can live "on the cheap", since that's totally an option. It's where governments become to nosey that they want to know where someone makes his money off (and most likely the IRS, or whatever you call the national tax collecting agency is where you live) does have this information. The moment you have zero income they will ask questions and you will at some point have to make a statement along with a full investigation on how you make money. That then furthers in taxes, registration at the chamber of commerce and you'll end up with more than you can ever make in a money, just to cover expenses and registration fees, apart from "making a living". It's a reason why both one man stores as well as online businesses are running out of business. The overhead, just to exist as a service is ridiculous. But maybe that's just how it's done here... over here it almost seems like their punishing people for trying to be self-sufficient and check up on every business as if it is a drugdealer.

An issue I have with it being an option is that you need to have some kind of starting assets first. Of those 2 people you know, one most likely has a boat (or access to a boat; not to mention documentation to operate a boat) and the other one had assets to get started to sell said equipment. I don't even have the room to operate an online business. I have a bedroom... and that's all I have, and it surely isn't big enough for storage. So for me to start being viable I need to have sources and/or assets to get into something. It's pretty much like that catch 22 society dictates quite often. Most people start on their own after having a decently paid job and the ability to save a decent penny over time. That gets you assets, a house (even if it's rented), maybe a car (and license)... so for me it's becoming an increasingly harder situation since I'm pretty much below starter level for the workforce with only little opportunity to save up.

That all being said, I've considered doing commission based miniature painting. That can earn a decent amount if you're good. But mostly it's not something people do as their only job. It's like a 2nd job on friday nights... or if you have a decent paying part-time job and have a lot of spare time because of this... it's more like an extra income. Which probably, compared to the time invested is underpaid, but if people have time on their hands and no use for it, I guess it's not time wasted either. Even if you can turn an hour of work into 2 bucks it's still 2 bucks of otherwise wasted time. I just don't know if I'm that driven and passionate about it. I'm already having a hard time motivating myself to get painting at times... forcing deadlines wouldn't work a lot better either. And, as with what I mentioned earlier in this post... room/space is an issue. MOst people I know that do their own commission painting have a big painting area, ventilation, loads of paints, airbrushes and can pretty much do any job. That's something that's often acquired due to having a job and being passionate about said activity and thus being driven to do this a lot of hours after work. I'm totally not in that place to think about those expenses. I'd probably need a house with at least a suitable spare room first.
 
I think this is now maybe my objective. Totally reducing expenses and going self employed just to maintain the basics. I say this because as the economic situation seems to worsen, you can't predict how long employment will go on.
Of course, the problem always is having an idea. I did have a little success making money on ebay at one time although not enough to create a living wage.
I do know one or two people who are self employed. One is doing boat trips and meals and just about breaking even perhaps and someone else sells audio and DJ equipment. My idea would be very low overheads but something specialised. I am still pulled towards online sales but think I need a specific angle.
Anyone think about this kind of thing?

I'm living it for all intents and purposes. But I have no false illusions about it. I may be living what amounts to a decaying orbit.

I'm just not ready to advocate it.
 
For the next two days I'm hoping to calm down as I'm very angry and then I plan to take things step by step. And yes, I'm already considering seeing a legal consultant and making an official complaint but, other than that, don't think I should dwell on it too much as such a situation can drag you into a spiral of anxiety and anger (as opposed to rational, objective thinking).
Any suggestions appreciated.

You seem to have a handle on it from what I see. Best of luck whatever you decide.
 
That's a tough one. Yeah sounds like your situation requires legal consultation. Whatever you do, I would recommend NOT to contact opposing parties, especially that boss. Anything you think you want to say, write or type it in, and then have a friend read it or read it yourself a few days later if you do not have a friend to read it as an option. If you plan on legal consultation, be as detailed about your work situation as you can be. Any social interactions that you've had with other coworkers may matter since apparently you've had no interaction with said boss.

Is it possible for you to get a written statement from the agency stating that they felt your work was good? I'm guessing no, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Are there any former coworkers you can ask for compliments on your work? Any references or people who you think would make great references from work are a good place to start. Hopefully you have at least a few. I know all too well how hard it can be to be social.
 
What I decided to try and do was to calm myself down and take a step back to think out strategy. So, I took all holidays owed me and, at the moment, I have no idea what the situation will be after the holiday. Therefore, at the moment, I'm not stressed as I threw myself into other work I have doing some DIY and painting which is long overdue. I've investigated as much info as I can and it's a mixed picture. Agency workers are easy to get rid of but, by the same token, there are laws against targeting individuals (with bad intent) so the they lose their position. However, still early days yet.

That's a tough one. Yeah sounds like your situation requires legal consultation. Whatever you do, I would recommend NOT to contact opposing parties, especially that boss. Anything you think you want to say, write or type it in, and then have a friend read it or read it yourself a few days later if you do not have a friend to read it as an option. If you plan on legal consultation, be as detailed about your work situation as you can be. Any social interactions that you've had with other coworkers may matter since apparently you've had no interaction with said boss.

Is it possible for you to get a written statement from the agency stating that they felt your work was good? I'm guessing no, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Are there any former coworkers you can ask for compliments on your work? Any references or people who you think would make great references from work are a good place to start. Hopefully you have at least a few. I know all too well how hard it can be to be social.
 

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