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Education - How to make it more efficient

Geordie

Geordie
How can we make more informed choices, so that we make the education syatem more efficient and more effective, to the needs of employers?

One thing for sure: online lectures/tutorials could work better than conventional ones for us. Will we ever progress technologically to this stage? And how will employers think about it?
 
Ok Occasional_Demon, what do you think about the primary and secondary school systems? Can homeschooling be more cost-effective than current operations of schools?
 
I was thinking, with computers, Internet and so on, perhaps we may not even need to pay $6,000 or more annually for some paper.

Because for liberal arts degrees, I hope we can have simulated video discussions, just like normal lectures do, and then we can ask questions any time we want, so long as they're relevant to the topic. And current technology is good enough to do that, I think. ooVoo is one example
 
RE: primary and secondary schooling. I think in public schools at least, classrooms are too big, and therefore teachers can't focus on their students. The use of technology is great and all, but I also think there needs to be more flexibility and individuality put into teaching. I understand the need for a standardised format for learning, so that everyone is at least receiving a level of education, but I also think the current system is too rigid.

Secondary schooling is improving, though. There are good options for students to either go for university, or to head towards vocational schooling. Not everyone wants to go to university and that is fine.

I like the concept of online classes, although having participated in an online university unit in the past, I have to say that it's not a substitute for face-to-face, classroom tutorials. I think it's fantastic that universities are using the Internet more in their teaching [i.e. through recording and putting lectures up online] but you do need that interaction between students to stimulate learning. A big facet of learning is the exchange of ideas between students, and between students and tutors, which is somewhat lacking in a purely online environment.

Also, video discussions are not the be-all and end-all either. It also requires students to have a) a computer that can handle video streaming and b) a decent connection. Not all students are fortunate enough to be that financially secure. I'll call myself one of the lucky ones in that I have a place to live, a good computer, a car and a good internet connection, but I know there are plenty of students out there who struggle financially.
 
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I see.

In primary schooling, perhaps more resources to allow homeschooling would be an option.

In universities, exchanging ideas with Internet, at a low price, would be an issue - but then, I hope future enhancements in technologies can change this.
 
I'm a little unsure about home-schooling for the most part. Largely because I'm not convinced that a parent can offer a child the same teaching experience as qualified teacher when it comes to formal educational concepts. I'm not advocating that a teacher knows best - ultimately it should be a combination of the teacher and parents/caregivers working together for the benefit of a child's education - but when it comes to preparing your child for formal education, I don't know if a parent is the best choice.

Then there's the matter of a child's social development. I think it's harder to offer a child adequate social interaction and stimulation if they are home-schooled.
 
A strange thing to me is how people figure being
packed into a space with 30 other kids is a natural
way to encourage social development.

Visiting relatives and playing with other kids in the
neighborhood works. I don't remember getting
much out of the social interaction provided by
being in school.

School afforded opportunities for learning about
status and hierarchies, though. Pecking order.
 
I read and can easily believe that conventional schooling and modern higher education didn't develop the way they did because herding people into classrooms and lecture halls actually facilitates optimal learning for the individual. They developed this way because they're the cheapest option for schooling and educating large masses of people. The rationalisations about why herding is supposedly such a great educational setting came after the fact.

Telling me that I can't get as much out of a book as I can get out of a classroom lecture lacks all credibility. Both are presentations, and all that differs is the format. One format inherently contains lots of sensory distraction, social overload that is beside the point of the topic at hand, and is potentially abusive, which social situations are always in danger of being - especially for people deemed 'different'. The other contains none of that. Guess which is more efficient at conveying the point?

Exchanges with fellow learners most assuredly don't have to happen in person, in herd situations, through the spoken word. Writing actually tends to force people to think more about what they're saying than speaking does. In my experience, people will often talk endlessly with little or no point - in all settings. They rarely write endlessly without a point. Video conferences also seem to remind people to stick more closely to the point than in-person settings. Both provide opportunity for feedback.

If I had stuck to conventional ways of learning and studying, I wouldn't have half the qualifications I do, and the qualifications I have attained in traditional education settings were extremely hard-earned in ways that had nothing to do with the actual subject and everything with the environment. The only reason I stuck it out at all was because there was (and is) no workaround available in the discipline, which I am to this day extremely passionate about.

I'm in my late 30s now. I have never stopped studying - but if I had to do it all in classroom settings rather than by distance learning, self-guided study or in various types of online settings, I wouldn't be able to do half of it. I can just about cope with my part-time job without seeming 'too weird', and it is draining beyond belief because it is dull and because it involves more social interaction than I really have the energy for. If I now had to attend classes for everything I study, too... no way. I collapse for hours each day after work as it is.

Yes, learning to interact with people is important. But that doesn't mean that all learning must religiously include socially motivated interaction. I don't get better at anything, including social interaction, when I'm in overload all the time. On the contrary, my BS-meter will ping harder the more exhausted I am, and the filters gradually disappear because, in the end, there's only so much I can and am willing to take. I am different, not a second-class person who must always strive to try harder to meet other people's standards, to keep everybody but me comfortable.

There's also a fatigue that sets in only over time, I find. I haven't become 'more autistic' with time, and I actually know how to act far more faux-NT now than e.g. in my early 20s. All the same, I don't have the same tolerance levels I did then - i.e. I wouldn't be able to withstand the amount of social interaction that's enforced by classroom learning that I did then - at least not without having regular nervous breakdowns.

I doubt traditional classroom instruction will disappear anytime soon, nor should it. But in light of people's differing social - and physical - needs, it really needs to become just one education setting, not the education setting.

As far as employers go, it depends on the individual what they make of non-conventional study and the qualifications attained through it. Most, I suspect, will far more readily understand distance/online education for reasons of time or mobility constraints (if people are restricted by their work or family situation) than for neurological differences. Since I have always had to work to support myself, the question of 'why distance/online study?' has never been interrogated much. On the other hand, I also work extremely far below my highest qualification, and not in any field I am actually trained for, so my qualifications have been largely beside the point for my employers.

(The reason for my employment situation is that I can't tolerate full-time in most conventional settings, and barely part-time, without getting depressed and physically ill because of the utter exhaustion due to social demands and sensory overload. And part-time comes with limited options, most of them not in high-level jobs.)

I would find it understandable if someone who has attained all their qualifications by full-time distance study (without working a job at the same time) were scrutinised a bit more intensely for jobs that require high-level social skills and lots of interaction with others, especially if those others are customers or clients. But then, I doubt that many people who pick distance-study simply out of preference are the same ones who later apply for positions with intense social components.

Where I am, distance education isn't so very unusual, and there are several fully accredited institutions offering it, so it's not unheard of. At the same time, it's far from the most common path to new qualifications. So it's not necessarily the qualification attained through it that employers might question, but the motivation behind choosing distance/online study.

As far as online/distance education goes: I am all for it, especially for adults, and at least as a complementary option for children and teenagers, in all subjects that allow it. (Re 'allow': vocational drama training wouldn't lend itself to distance study, but history does.)
 
This may sound heretical, but I think schools need to do more to prepare pupils for the workplace. By that I'm not saying we should encourage schoolchildren to wear pinstripe suits or talk in corporate jargon. No, I think there needs to be better awareness of what employment and further education options are out there, and there should be opportunities to do work experience placements before applying to university. At the moment it seems that students are encouraged to either study their favourite subject at university and only find out later what employment possibilities it leads to, or pick a future career without next to no knowledge of what it actually involves and choose the degree subject they think is most appropriate. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation out there.

Just my twopenn'orth.
 

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