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Emotional

SimonSays

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When I was a kid I was extremely emotional. It wouldn't take much for me to cry. Those around me, especially my mother, never reacted well when I expressed myself emotionally. She/They would say things to stop it, even make me feel like something was wrong that I should be doing so. So in time I learnt how to internalise my emotions, which made me seem more in control when in fact it was just a façade. But the trouble is, if you practice hiding your feelings long enough, the image you put out is what others see and reflect back, so that who I appear to be is not me. I had no idea the effect this would have on me.

There is an advantage to being in control of one’s emotions, especially when attempting to fit into a world that seems to value being in control. But what it did took me further and further from who I really was. I forgot about this sensitive boy, and just got used to being someone who would observe without becoming emotionally involved, to the point where I was no longer even aware of feeling my feelings any more.

Feelings would still arrive, but often be delayed or arrive with uncertainty about what they meant; I knew I was feeling something I just had no idea what it was. I’d become so out of touch with my feelings, that the people I was around, who identified with me because they were like that, only helped to reinforce the illusion that I was like them. And I believed it because I had forgotten how to be that sensitive emotional kid.

I’d be reminded of him every now and then, but it was difficult to deal with those experiences, so it just became easier not to go there. Then, something unexpected would happen, which would cause me to get emotional and really cry, and that crying opened things back up, and I felt so much more real again and knew how important feeling my emotion was. And yet because I was living in a world that did not want me to be that way and would not accept it, that would take advantage of it and see it as weakness, that was even harder to deal with, further reinforcing the internal nature of my experience, making me solidify the part that I now found myself playing.

My true self wasn't gone, I just had no real way to access him, that would be accepted or believed. I wasn't around artists or performers, poets or writers, who would have recognised and accepted the emotion and encouraged it. I was around neuro-typical thinkers, just as I appeared to be, and just like those who feel the need to suppress their true self, who hide themselves in the proverbial closet because they feel they are safer there, I lived most of my life trying to be somebody else.

That doesn't mean I didn't experience and learn things, have fun, live life, but I wonder what difference would it have made had I been who I actually was inside and not appear to be who I thought I needed to be in order to be accepted.

The idea of being accepted seemed more important than anything else. Yet no matter what I did, I never really was, so the price of being somebody else didn't even give me what it was I thought I was looking for. When I felt like I was being accepted, which would happen from time to time, because it wasn't me they were accepting, I had to use so much energy to maintain the idea that they had of me. What a waste.

I know I'm not the only one who's experienced things like this, and while there will be similarities, our experiences are of course unique. I just wanted to share this feeling I've had today to talk about it and see what that produces.
 
@SimonSays,...Well said.;)

What you said pretty much sums up my experience, as well. I grew up in an era where "boys are not supposed to cry",...if you did,...you were "weak". Well,...I did cry,...and was chastised for it. Imagine a middle-school kid, in class, crying because he didn't understand how to do the math that was assigned,...in front of my classmates. They teased me for weeks,...even months afterward. Horrible,...obviously, one of those never forget moments. Do that enough times to a kid,...emotions become a negative thing,...you learn control,...for better or worse.

As an adult,...especially in a sometimes high stress moment like actually doing CPR on someone in the intensive care,...someone's baby,...Oh, heck no,...you cannot have emotions. If you did, you wouldn't be able to focus and do your job. You click that imaginary switch on the back of your head and do what you were trained to do. If you want to cry,...do that on your own time.

I've become incredibly good at internalization. I can say with all certainty, that I have never, ever had a good experience with showing emotion,...except for love and laughter. Anything else,...just clouds the brain,...I do things I wouldn't normally do. I become irrational. I loose control of the situation. I just can't have that happen. That's not to say that I don't have a "pop-off" and something triggers me to spout off about someone's "stupid" behavior, cursing, etc,...but usually its some irrational rant with wild exaggerations,...again, a loss of control that I usually am later embarrassed about.
 
I can say with all certainty, that I have never, ever had a good experience with showing emotion,...except for love and laughter. Anything else,...just clouds the brain,...I do things I wouldn't normally do. I become irrational. I loose control of the situation. I just can't have that happen.
I understand. Certain jobs, like yours, people need to see you in control, and you need to be. I probably wouldn't want to see an emotional bomb disposal expert.
 
I've been accused of being 'gay' a few times in my life. I say accused, because when I would say I wasn't, the response was always disbelief. They were certain. I can only imagine how many others may have thought this without saying anything. I have nothing against homosexuality, but as I understand it, being attracted to someone of the same sex is a defining characteristic. When I've been around gay people, probably because there was a period of their life when they weren't open about it, being able to be who they are gave them a sense of freedom at finally being able to live life as themselves that was so obvious to me.

I have a similar desire...to be 'out'...which for me means expressing myself as I am without being affected by how others might take it, whether real and clearly obvious, or just the way I feel about being so self-conscious in doing so.

I don't do anything that requires me to be in control in my daily life, other than taking care of myself, and I have simplified that as much as I can.

I would like not to feel out of place if I don't take the things others take so seriously, or even respond in unexpected ways, just because I'm not, without it appearing as if I am still the little boy who never needed to be 'grown up' but couldn't help it anyway. I wanted to be an adult just because it seemed there was greater freedom to be found, and while that was true in some ways, it wasn't in others.

I'm 57 now. I'm definitely not a child. But I prefer the simplicity of children.

I had a moment the other day when sitting on a park bench. A young child made a big effort to leave his mum and come over and climb up and sit next to me, before his mum with anxious face pulled him off seconds later, without smiling or even looking at me, causing him to cry his eyes out as I watched him being taken away. He may have been very young, just as I once was, but I could see someone in there, just as I was, also having to deal with unconscious parents, with no way of expressing myself either, except with tears, while knowing exactly why I felt overwhelmed by someone whose job it was to protect me, not control me while not seeing me in there either. And I was in there. A real conscious awareness, just unable to reveal himself and soon feel unable to do so properly, when I needed to be given freedom not constraint in order to find out.
 
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@SimonSays
That last paragraph, about the child, made
me think of the scene in Hook, the movie,
when the small boy is face to face with a
grown up man, and realizes that the
grown up guy....really is Peter Pan.
 
Now l walked away from someone who can't get in touch with where we are at in a relationship. It has been so difficult for me. He refuses to validate me and my feelings for him because l guess he would be forced to validate his own feelings. It's an area he isn't comfortable with for many different reasons.

It took a lot for me to tell him l really cared for him and l was hoping he would open up emotionally and talk about his feelings, like anything. But he is closed and he can't open up.
 
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My family definitely never helped me process my emotions - they ignored them or mocked them. I eventually learned to not show emotion to anyone around me, not even my friends - I still went through my emotions in private. I don't think I was even journaling at this point, since an older sibling made a point of reading my first journal and making fun of me, so I didn't even feel safe in my privacy to do that.

I wish that my parents helped me process my emotions. I guarantee that their own parents never helped them with theirs, so the pattern continued with me. But what happened was that I did not trust my parents to actually care about me as an individual - because they never acknowledged my thoughts and feelings, instead they always viewed them negatively, either dismissing or mocking them. Maybe they thought they'd be giving in to my "inconvenient" emotions - or that I was immature for having them.

They seemed to want to train them out of me, or to deal with my "foul" emotions as little as possible - I felt like my thoughts and feelings (among many other things about me) were nasty, putrid things connected to me that they held their noses and dealt with in order to continue to have me in their lives - they made me feel like my true self was actually someone who did not REALLY have those emotions and thoughts, my true self could actually be BETTER than that, but instead I insisted on dragging this nasty, stinking diaper around with me. They seemed to think that maybe if they didn't acknowledge or help me with my emotions, then maybe they would disappear.

Then they hated the fact that I seemed distant from them, go figure, right? Treat someone badly, then bash them for behaving like they've been abused. In their case, they continued to be very honoring and doting on their parents, they don't see their parents as having done anything wrong, whereas I really reacted badly to this.

Again, I really wish they had helped me process my emotions. I was just reading about how people with ASD can have weakened connectivity between parts of the brain that are involved in emotions vs. thinking - resulting in being overwhelmed by emotions. Getting from the emotions to the thinking part can enable you to process your emotions and make them more manageable, and even productive.

I think parents should help their kids with this task, particularly if the kid is having trouble with that process. I think instead of learning to process them, I just learned to suppress them around others and believe they were deemed unworthy by others and would never be appropriate with other people, so I just released them alone, but without any real processing.
 
I think parents should help their kids with this task, particularly if the kid is having trouble with that process. I think instead of learning to process them, I just learned to suppress them around others and believe they were deemed unworthy by others and would never be appropriate with other people, so I just released them alone, but without any real processing.
This was the one thing I was determined to do with my daughter...and I still needed to watch for 'my mother's voice' coming through me, like a deeply embedded pattern, so as not to pass on those things she did to me. My daughter has been a performer and a dancer, who now teaches kids to dance. She was always listened to as a kid, and could learn to be herself from a young age. I got to see how much of a difference it made. I got to be the dad to her I had always wanted for myself. I knew what NOT to do and somehow what I should do, and could do, even though I had never been a dad before and she never came with a 'how to raise this little girl' manual.
 
Great responses here. Yes, my mom also wonders why l am so distanced and lo and behold because my feelings didn't even exist. Wow, that really hurts. Now l just relived that painful Chinese thumb torture with a guy l really liked. He kinda sorta thinks l think too much, l am a sloppy mess of feelings, when it's kind of my love for him that creates this tidal wave of emotions, some people would call it romantic passion, he just doesn't get me l guess. So l think too much, felt devalued in childhood and here l am wasting no time in planet earth to muck up my existance by continuing down the devaluation hole with men. After reading responses here- I need to stop that. Thankful to all of you who contributed your thoughts and helped me understand what l am reliving and how it ties to parents and how they raised us and how it ties into someone l was seeing currently. I refuse to feel bad about the feelings l have and l refuse to be shamed for having deep passionate feelings.

My daughter was very important. I gave her plenty of choices to show to her how l valued her and l listened to her and always tried to keep her passionate about life. She may not talk to me now but l took the right steps, she is in college and in a long-term relationship.

Thank @SimonSays for your post.
 
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as I understand it, being attracted to someone of the same sex is a defining characteristic.
but
The Kensey Report found that the opposite was true. There is critisism about the sample but
The reports found

Nearly 46% of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% had at least one homosexual experience.[12] 11.6% of white males (ages 20–35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response) throughout their adult lives.[13] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[14]

Seven percent of single females (ages 20–35) and four percent of previously married females (ages 20–35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response). 2 to 6% of females, aged 20–35, were more or less exclusively homosexual in experience/response,[16] and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20–35 were exclusively homosexual in experience/response.[17]

We are sexual beings. Our sexuality, esp for the XX crowd, is one of the primary targets of the religious & political establishment. They take great pains (and give even more pain) to enforce that conformity. The SCOTFS has put their full weight into protecting religious discrimination against other's sexuality. The SCOTFS always promotes corporate/religious above We The People.

I bet donuts to dollars that humanity is mostly a lot more queer than we dare admit, especially to ourselves. My sexuality is my business and yours is neither my circus nor my monkeys. That confused choire-boy in the priest's robes, John Roberts, is banned from my bedroom.
 
That was from Wikipedia. Cannot tell you how much/many things they get wrong. Not saying your wrong, but when I clicked the link to see where the info was coming from it said it was wiki quoting another source? My next question would be who is that source quoting and so on....

This is the whole problem with all the news we are getting from all over the place, it’s all different or by people that cannot be believed.

It’s truly scary how many things are out in the world that are not true and how do people really know?! I’m personally following the money.

Wiki had so called info on a group I’m in. They were so wrong it wasn’t funny but truly sad. Nothing but lies - can’t fix it. I don’t think the news or internet can be believed any longer.


but
The Kensey Report found that the opposite was true. There is critisism about the sample but
The reports found

Nearly 46% of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% had at least one homosexual experience.[12] 11.6% of white males (ages 20–35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response) throughout their adult lives.[13] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[14]

Seven percent of single females (ages 20–35) and four percent of previously married females (ages 20–35) were given a rating of 3 (about equal heterosexual and homosexual experience/response). 2 to 6% of females, aged 20–35, were more or less exclusively homosexual in experience/response,[16] and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20–35 were exclusively homosexual in experience/response.[17]

We are sexual beings. Our sexuality, esp for the XX crowd, is one of the primary targets of the religious & political establishment. They take great pains (and give even more pain) to enforce that conformity. The SCOTFS has put their full weight into protecting religious discrimination against other's sexuality. The SCOTFS always promotes corporate/religious above We The People.

I bet donuts to dollars that humanity is mostly a lot more queer than we dare admit, especially to ourselves. My sexuality is my business and yours is neither my circus nor my monkeys. That confused choire-boy in the priest's robes, John Roberts, is banned from my bedroom.
 
Talked to my friend, think men really have a hard time discussing feelings. Maybe next year he will open up.
 
My family was of the mocking, diregarding, cruel sort. @Nairobi already gave a very good description of my family. There was physical abuse too from my brother and sexual abuse from my cousin and I was not believed or ignored. I was accused of making waves, being melodramatic, self centered, and a million other epitaths.

The most confusing thing me as a child /teen is that my emotions were not ok but my mother and brother were allowed to fully express themselves. Yes, I felt marginalized.

Stuffing down my emotions now is so second nature that I have a hard time even typing this out.
 
My family was of the mocking, diregarding, cruel sort. @Nairobi already gave a very good description of my family. There was physical abuse too from my brother and sexual abuse from my cousin and I was not believed or ignored. I was accused of making waves, being melodramatic, self centered, and a million other epitaths.

The most confusing thing me as a child /teen is that my emotions were not ok but my mother and brother were allowed to fully express themselves. Yes, I felt marginalized.

Stuffing down my emotions now is so second nature that I have a hard time even typing this out.
That is horrendous. There was also abuse in my situation, but not as bad as some of my friends. Ha, I always say "my friends", as though I still have friends. Very interesting point that they were allowed to fully express themselves, but you were not - that was my situation, too! I hadn't thought about that aspect.
 
The most confusing thing me as a child /teen is that my emotions were not ok but my mother and brother were allowed to fully express themselves. Yes, I felt marginalized.

I get this even in my old age. I wear my emotions so I think it feels too "raw" to others.
 

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