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Flight, Fight, Freeze or Meltdown

DogzSpirit

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I am down to the wire, in the last two weeks of making my way back to the US. I will be able to (significantly) take my guard down after we cross the border. I have a lovely cabin stay for us to hike in the woods with our dogs. So this heightened alert I have going on will subside somewhat at that point.

My curiosity is how others deal with triggers.
What has worked, what doesn't?

Fight, flight, Freeze or Meltdown. Each is now different and better, as opposed to when I was younger.

Fight for me (now) usually involves confrontation or going into solution mode.

I have managed to minimize the Meltdown response with age. It’s less frequent, once every 2 months average. I actually can now direct myself out of public view to have such in private.

Triggers: Threat to health or safety to myself or those in my care, is up there in bright neon letters.

I spend a lot of time planning and evaluating both current and future situations. That is part of an effort to yes be prepared, and avoid what is or I view as a potentiallydangerous/threatening situation. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

It takes a lot out of me. It's likely not good for my stress levels and mind.

That confirmation, via averting tragedy is a hell of a reward trigger for the brain, when sadly it is confirmed you just averted yet another tragedy. First my husband may say I am overreacting. He gets very irritated. Then comes the moment of truth, followed by his later comment “I never would have guessed that danger was there, or that something was so dangerous.” He then asks me “How did you know that?”

On one occasion where I went hands off, at my husbands request, his cancer went undiagnosed. That was both a major regret and huge lesson for me. It’s not often I go hands off since, much to his irritation, though he realizes it would not have been diagnosed at all, had I not stepped in later.

I didn’t have that high and frequent reward in the states. So yes, it is good we will be leaving here (Mexico) soon (2 weeks) and back in the USA.

As a result, I am acutely aware of how often my fear response has been triggered. I am evaluating the harm such on alert fear response takes on me. It’s rather exhausting and not easy to shut off that little hum in the background. It seems to be the price I pay, for minimizing harm to self or others in my care. The reward for this constant vigil, has been high in the past few years, living in Mexico. I cannot believe how much so. Because of this proven ‘reward", I acknowledge that my brain may be conditioned to not take a break.

I always ask myself: Is this an imagined threat, or is it real? If it is real I assign a threat level to it. Those life threatening are a no negotiate and must deal with it. The others I can accept the end results, and put those to the side, or better yet in the trash altogether.

I do not like going over things multiple times to find holes in safety. I realize I have been doing that in one way or another since childhood.

I have had to divide threats into different categories.

I ignore the lesser threats. Much and (many people) go in that imaginary trash can. What once triggered a meltdown, becomes trash, much to husbands continued frustration. I just view it as his baggage of not being able to navigate and accept. I have my things.. he has his. Deal with it. I understand he cannot change at 76 to accommodate me, and likewise I cannot change more than I already have to please others.

These things no longer trigger me:

Bullies are in the trash… no flight there anymore. Socialization in the trash, I can deal with that. Unhappy inherited husbands family members, who have a dislike of my wiring is not important. All those things and people are on the fringe and I have learned they have little importance. Much comes with being older. Perspective improves. As I negate such people and situations, my partner becomes frustrated. He often says that I forgive myself too easily, and should care about said situations socially. I disagree. The more I dispose of, the better off I am emotionally. There comes a time, after 60 years, that you realize what matters and what doesn't.

Now I just have to learn how to minimize and control how much I fear. When I fear. I must learn how to take control of those aspects. What are the tools/tricks, to avert this thought pattern, particularly at night before falling asleep. That will be my first step. To learn to control that fear. Right now it controls me.

With that control, I hope to eliminate the shut down effect which is much like a meltdown, but internalized. It’s not a pleasant thing to experience at the end of the day, when you are suppose to be in recharge mode/sleeping, to be triggered into a silent panic mode.
 
Work has had me circling burn out for months now. Weekends aren't long enough to recharge my batteries. Since I moved back to my folks on August 13th I did quite a bit of socialising. Whilst this was initially novel and exciting - it's now led to further burn out.

I've gone into hermit mode the past 2 weekends. Barely even talking to my parents either. Introverted to the extreme. I still go out to go staffing, or cycling. Plus I have to leave the house when I want a joint.

I did discover a new place to watch the sunsets. It's in an old, overgrown graveyard at the edge of the village. In one corner of the outer wall someone has put an antique tractor seat as a stool. The view is staggering, and I can see the wind farm in my old town on the horizon, over 15 miles away. The sunset was staggering, and the weather looks good for another evening tonight.

Unfortunately with the evenings drawing in, I won't be able to do this new ritual for more than a week.

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I'm not a fighter though. I have only snapped a few times, and as soon as I have done I'm crushed under the guilt and the atmosphere it leaves behind. If anything I'm more like a doormat. I give and give until I'm running on empty. I attract users and broken types. I get leeched off a lot, and I don't put forth boundaries and so I get walked all over. All the while people say how "nice" or "chilled out" I am, when in reality - inside I might as well be screaming out loud in a silent movie.

Started reading a book about empaths after mum suggested I might be one. As I find things go beyond the social awkwardness that ASD and ADHD can cause - I literally feel people's emotions and it's draining. Being in an open plan office for one - it's too much.

I recharge in nature - hence the walk through the wood every day. Today I went to the lake and a swan got out of the water, stood less than a metre in front of me, and started cleaning it's feathers. I felt blessed and excited to have been privileged to have been so close to such an amazing creature.

I freeze and flight the most out of the "fight, flight, freeze" responses. Although the CPTSD book I read also mentioned the Fawn Response - which is something I do a lot. Much like masking and being around groups of people - trying to prevent friction by fawning is utterly exhausting too.

Even socialising in a good way - with friends etc. leaves me utterly exhausted. I am always the first to go home. Discomfort arises within a few minutes to a few hours of a social event and gradually builds and builds.

Nature and music are my main sources of recharging. Although I do use food and weed for grounding myself too. This empath book is putting forth a lot of visual meditation recommendations too - in a bid to shield or ground you to prevent feeling overwhelmed emotionally.

As for threats - even if something isn't threatening; if I make it a threat in my head, then I will start living that "truth" even if it's a complete fabrication.

The main issue I have is that my body reacts to my mind very strongly. With prolonged stress my body will be constantly in pain. The past week it's been terrible and persistent. As such I know that more rest is required, and yet I can't find much respite in the free time I get: it's not long enough, and the stressors of my job and my in between home are too much of a burden.

I feel like I'm in limbo at the moment - back at home, stuck in a job I hate, waiting twice as long as we should've for the house sale to go through, faced with dental bills costing thousands, constantly fretting about my money (and lack thereof) and my health etc.

I guess the "fight" mode is slogging through each day when my mind and body feels like it's running on fumes.

The fight is not to give up. It's also a fight not to have a meltdown. Because I truly believe that one day I might snap over something trivial, but it's reverberations and consequences will be extreme. Then again, that's just a typical example of my constant catastrophic thinking.

Ed
 
Excellent post. Mexico is defintely a place to be carefully diligent. Older age helps us stand our ground. We assess way quicker.

My newest coping skill was a trade off in what l didnt need to do so has to cut down on stress. So l quit working because the place l live in is horrible. And currently l won't beable to move for another year as l wipe out my debt.

But l will be able move with someone's help, so l am thrilled. And be near the ocean, good shopping, and my own bedroom.
 
We left Mexico July 5th and just returned yesterday October 10. In all we travelled (by rough estimate) almost 4,000 miles. I slept in 10 different beds in 5 different houses and 5 different hotels. During our trip we sold one car and bought another. I had one meltdown, followed by a shutdown.

I had that meltdown and shutdown, as has happened many times in the past, because my mother and I had a miscommunication. For some reason I have a huge blind spot where she is concerned and I can not predict when or why we aren't communicating.

I think, in a way, I have been lucky to not know about my autisim. (Sometimes I don't think so though) I have had to learn to cope by the seat of my pants. Sometimes I think of this as "deep cover masking" but I have also learned to identify and compensate for most triggers and I think of this as skill building.

Thats is no help for you @DogzSpirit. But I commiserate with how difficult triggers can be. Somewhere along the way I stopped caring what othrrs think about me. This has relieved me of the nessicity of masking and that alone has relieved me of many fears.

Also, my husband is a really straight forward guy. I have learned a lot from him about how to stepback and observe situations so that my brain is more involved than my anxiety and emotions. This has helped a lot! He says when he starts to feel pinched it is his cue to step back. "Wait a minute, hang on..." is his phrase to help him engage with his analytical self. I have adopted this too and it helps.
 
I am down to the wire, in the last two weeks of making my way back to the US. I will be able to (significantly) take my guard down after we cross the border. I have a lovely cabin stay for us to hike in the woods with our dogs. So this heightened alert I have going on will subside somewhat at that point.

My curiosity is how others deal with triggers.
What has worked, what doesn't?

Fight, flight, Freeze or Meltdown. Each is now different and better, as opposed to when I was younger.

Fight for me (now) usually involves confrontation or going into solution mode.

I have managed to minimize the Meltdown response with age. It’s less frequent, once every 2 months average. I actually can now direct myself out of public view to have such in private.

Triggers: Threat to health or safety to myself or those in my care, is up there in bright neon letters.

I spend a lot of time planning and evaluating both current and future situations. That is part of an effort to yes be prepared, and avoid what is or I view as a potentiallydangerous/threatening situation. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

It takes a lot out of me. It's likely not good for my stress levels and mind.

That confirmation, via averting tragedy is a hell of a reward trigger for the brain, when sadly it is confirmed you just averted yet another tragedy. First my husband may say I am overreacting. He gets very irritated. Then comes the moment of truth, followed by his later comment “I never would have guessed that danger was there, or that something was so dangerous.” He then asks me “How did you know that?”

On one occasion where I went hands off, at my husbands request, his cancer went undiagnosed. That was both a major regret and huge lesson for me. It’s not often I go hands off since, much to his irritation, though he realizes it would not have been diagnosed at all, had I not stepped in later.

I didn’t have that high and frequent reward in the states. So yes, it is good we will be leaving here (Mexico) soon (2 weeks) and back in the USA.

As a result, I am acutely aware of how often my fear response has been triggered. I am evaluating the harm such on alert fear response takes on me. It’s rather exhausting and not easy to shut off that little hum in the background. It seems to be the price I pay, for minimizing harm to self or others in my care. The reward for this constant vigil, has been high in the past few years, living in Mexico. I cannot believe how much so. Because of this proven ‘reward", I acknowledge that my brain may be conditioned to not take a break.

I always ask myself: Is this an imagined threat, or is it real? If it is real I assign a threat level to it. Those life threatening are a no negotiate and must deal with it. The others I can accept the end results, and put those to the side, or better yet in the trash altogether.

I do not like going over things multiple times to find holes in safety. I realize I have been doing that in one way or another since childhood.

I have had to divide threats into different categories.

I ignore the lesser threats. Much and (many people) go in that imaginary trash can. What once triggered a meltdown, becomes trash, much to husbands continued frustration. I just view it as his baggage of not being able to navigate and accept. I have my things.. he has his. Deal with it. I understand he cannot change at 76 to accommodate me, and likewise I cannot change more than I already have to please others.

These things no longer trigger me:

Bullies are in the trash… no flight there anymore. Socialization in the trash, I can deal with that. Unhappy inherited husbands family members, who have a dislike of my wiring is not important. All those things and people are on the fringe and I have learned they have little importance. Much comes with being older. Perspective improves. As I negate such people and situations, my partner becomes frustrated. He often says that I forgive myself too easily, and should care about said situations socially. I disagree. The more I dispose of, the better off I am emotionally. There comes a time, after 60 years, that you realize what matters and what doesn't.

Now I just have to learn how to minimize and control how much I fear. When I fear. I must learn how to take control of those aspects. What are the tools/tricks, to avert this thought pattern, particularly at night before falling asleep. That will be my first step. To learn to control that fear. Right now it controls me.

With that control, I hope to eliminate the shut down effect which is much like a meltdown, but internalized. It’s not a pleasant thing to experience at the end of the day, when you are suppose to be in recharge mode/sleeping, to be triggered into a silent panic mode.
I try to sleep more and definitely lie down, try!!!!! to do what I had planned for that time! and when you're trying coping mechanisms!, add in excitement, that's a part of panic, Im in severe anxiety hourly ,panic at least once a week, everything is changing in its strength, I'm less excitable,anger is slightly less, still flighty still hypervigilant ,freezing less only because I avoid people .
 
I think, in a way, I have been lucky to not know about my autisim. (Sometimes I don't think so though) I have had to learn to cope by the seat of my pants.

I agree on the learning to cope via experience and seat of my pants. It's made me stronger, but put me through quite the ringer.

I've got a rather objective guy as well.

And yeah; To stand back and attempt objectivity is key, but triggers and emotions run very high when that scent of danger presents.
 
And yeah; To stand back and attempt objectivity is key, but triggers and emotions run very high when that scent of danger presents

I think menopause helped quell some of the emotions for me. The danger still gets to me but I have more selection about how I act in response. Boat life, it turns out, is really anxiety inducing for me. So I have to play mind tricks to keep me here. Planning is a must if you live on the sea, but I can't discuss plans too far in advance or I focus on the negatives. Better for me to accept that I don't always have control because, as a mere human, I can't mitigate every negative experience out of my life. I want to, but I can't.
 

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