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Fun with Freddy - Beyond Good and Evil

TBRS1

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Amongst my other intellectual failings is a love of formal philosophy. It’s about the way a good philosopher uses precise definitions and precise language to express a thought (or thoughts).

For sheer pleasure, my all time favorite is Friedrich Nietzsche, that ultimate “bad boy” of philosophy. However, despite the reputation, Nietzsche's ideas are, in the 21st century, not especially scandalous.

Take, for instance, “Beyond Good and Evil.”

The Nietzsche “myth” is that N is proposing some kind of state in which Neitzsche's “superman” (ubermenche) is no longer contained by conventional morality, goes beyond the concepts of good and evil, and becomes some sort of Nazi monster.

That's not what N said. N’s idea was much less insane. And much simpler. And more meaningful.

N points out that “good or evil” is a false dichotomy. The correct opposite of “good” is not “evil.” The opposite of “good” is “bad.” The correct dichotomy is, therefore, “good or bad.”

“Evil” is like bad, but with some sort of magical sauce added in order to make some ideas literally “unspeakable.” Nobody but a serial killer would argue that doing evil is acceptable. Nietzsche argues that the special sauce was added to “bad,” for that exact purpose by moral religious teachings. N was a hard-core atheist.

Why does the correct dichotomy matter? Well, as stated, sane people rarely argue seriously that doing evil is good, or even OK. If one accepts the claim that “that thing is evil,” the conversation ends.

However, if the statement is “that thing is bad,” the next set of questions that (should) automatically pop up are: Good for who, and in what way? Bad for who, and in what way? And – under what specific conditions is it good or bad? What happens when those conditions are modified or changed?

Ask those meaningful questions – if Nietzsche were alive to hear it, he'd say “Now you’re talking!”

Nietzsche is frequently misrepresented. There is very little in his writing that is scandalous, at least in the 21st century. People may or may not agree with him (he was an atheist – some people may disagree with his atheism, but public atheism is no longer surprising). His MAJOR, inexcusable flaw is his belief that “an educated woman is a crime against nature,” but, oddly, you will almost never find that THAT is what he's vilified for – although he should be.

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He understood about staring into abysses. Probably his most important quote.

As far as philosophy goes, I find myself slipping into Epicureanism. If only I could find the friends he recommends hanging out with.
 
He understood about staring into abysses. Probably his most important quote.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

I think of this every time I watch the news and listen to a wannabe monster babble about " those people" and how to save America from them.

"Hey dude, I'm the abyss, and I'm looking right at you," I sez to myself.
 
I love his books twilight of the idols and the antichrist, for me thry are his best.if you haven't read it already well worth reading I am dynamite by Dr Susan prideful on neitzche, clears up lots of all the myths and wrongdoings towards neitzche and his fascinating work,he and schopenhauer and freud make a fascinating trio
 
I love his books twilight of the idols and the antichrist, for me thry are his best.if you haven't read it already well worth reading I am dynamite by Dr Susan prideful on neitzche, clears up lots of all the myths and wrongdoings towards neitzche and his fascinating work,he and schopenhauer and freud make a fascinating trio
Just going to say that part of Nietzsche's reputation IS deserved. He described what he did as "philosophy with a hammer."

The Antichrist is a perfect example - it is an all out, no holds bared attack on Christianity. To many readers it would seem pretty over-the-top.

To his credit, he is careful to point out that he is just one guy, and he is punching a much larger opponent (the power held by Christians at the time he was writing).

My favorite line from the book is: "I have nothing against Christians, but, so far, there's only been one of them."
 
I read Beyond Good and Evil on a vacation with my former fiancé. It felt like I was on a honeymoon enjoying something entirely opposite the honeymoon experience, yet was very fitting for me. A great book. I sensed a bitterness, which was off-putting, but it's still a favorite.

I also read J.G. Ballard's Concrete Island on the same trip, which was a fun pairing.
 
I read Beyond Good and Evil on a vacation with my former fiancé. It felt like I was on a honeymoon enjoying something entirely opposite the honeymoon experience, yet was very fitting for me. A great book. I sensed a bitterness, which was off-putting, but it's still a favorite.

I also read J.G. Ballard's Concrete Island on the same trip, which was a fun pairing.
I haven't read Ballard, but I probably should, sooner or later.

If you like science fiction and want to read Nietzscheian science fiction, well, you probably have: Robert Heinlien.

If you pay attention, Heinlein will mention Nietzsche a single time in a novel, then never mention him again. For example, in Stranger in a Strange Land, the main character, Jubal (not Michael V. Smith) has a cat. The cat shows up only one time, and it's name is mentioned only once.

The cat's name is Neitzsche, and it shows up when Jubal is describing the differences between "Apollonian" societies and "Dionysian" societies.

This was the subject of Nietzsche's very first published work, and also the cause of all conflict in Stranger in a Strange Land.
 

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