Gifts of the Holy Spirit Gift of Sight modern day invention etc

[Rachie]

This topic people don't discuss much about the actual topic. I mysef don't want to speak about my situation personally in here unless asked and if you want to read about my situation you can scroll down to my post on my journey with my faith. This is not about that. This is short. We are all just trying to get by and any Holy Spirit gifts is not our doing and cannot be attritubuted to us and if some people were doing it may get pear shaped and I would run away from that. Obviously people who work in the church can call themselves names, me i'm just Rachel with conditions who is walking with her faith in a very up and down path. Mercy can extend to the unwell as well.

I took this post to say this as I stumbled on it as I was writing but want to move away from my post, and this it is not about the topic as such. It is short. On writing mine I thought gift of sight seemed to be nothing but a modern day invention as I found no Biblical basis for it. It is called the gift of vision or prophecy. I shy away a bit from modern day inventions or is it so or not. I am not sure about this one more though and I am keen to learn, 2e gift. Is this the gifts of the Holy Spirit or not. I haven't read about it to be honest. Supernatural is a snatch as well to grab attention and when I writing my story I had to to avoid using it not to disturb Christians who these modern day things may sit not well with. I like stuff like this, but even me jumped when I saw it on someones website whether I was safe reading it as a Christian. Then I realised it was to snatch viewers draw them in.

It was very interesting to read that Justin Webly head of Anglican church in England speaks in tongues in his prayer, incredible and such progress in the church. If you want to read on the Holy Spirit gifts you read the Book of Corintihans 1:12.
Feel free to discuss the Holy Spirit gifts if you want, you can take over the post lol.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...to though. day-says-archbishop-of-canterbury

 

[Alexej]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...to though. day-says-archbishop-of-canterbury

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[Rachie]

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[Alexej]

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[jsilver256]

Hi Rachie - small correction - I think you mean 1 Corinthians 12

This was a topic I discovered recently, I have not been a Christian for long (just 4 years).

Here is a good video for anyone wishing to learn the topic.

Having the gift of vision/prophecy is a very special gift. Which I am sure as you know and cherish.

I asked my husband what gift he thought I had and he had a horrible sense of humor - he said I had the gift of interpreting tongues, but can't use it as I am deaf and can't hear tongues.

 

[Rachie]

All of the gifts and fruits of the Spirit are beautiful. Yes jsilver256 that is what I meant.
I will say on the gifts of the Holy Spirit that many people get it now by laying on of hands at church or some through baptism I think. Any church leader would know.
Jesus said as well that he would send his believers an advocate a comforter which is the Holy Spirit indwelling itself John 14:16 which is different from the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I think most people though just cannot see theirs.
This is the more spiritual side of Christianity which may appeal to some Autsitics as some can see things for themselves etc.

I have read now that 2E is not a diagnosis formally yet. It seems more discussed on the internet.

 

[Rachie]

@jsilver256
I hope you are enjoying your Sunday.
My rector said your message was beautiful to me in a recent post in another thread. It was beautiful but with autism we can have an issue understanding things. She explained it to me.
We all part of that body of Christ as Christians. I am just a dust vessel for my father. Any gift that God gives us is good enough if God gives any.
Your situation is so unique. In many ways your recovery is far further than mine as a Christian. You see where I am with my eating disorder right still. I don't know where you are, this is a personal question to you. Have you received the Holy Spirit by any of the methods in my above post. If you haven't you may be won't may be fully aware what is gifted to you. That is between you and God.
Keep where you are and keep going.
I will be frank some of your posts I have taken as word of God which says what. All waiting to be discovered. Children are blessings to.
If you have received the Holy Spirit, for now it is enough.
Keep being you

 

[Captain Caveman]

I know my Dad recieved the Holy Spirit through none of the above ways. He went for a walk up the country road near where we lived which was on top of a hill and a whirlwind came and encircled him and he started speaking in tongues at such a speed he didn't think it was possible, and all he could say was "Yspryd Glân" (Holy Spirit. Literal translation = "Clean Spirit").
When he came back he was clearly a changed man!

 

[Rachie]

I know my Dad recieved the Holy Spirit through none of the above ways. He went for a walk up the country road near where we lived which was on top of a hill and a whirlwind came and encircled him and he started speaking in tongues at such a speed he didn't think it was possible, and all he could say was "Yspryd Glân" (Holy Spirit. Literal translation = "Clean Spirit").
When he came back he was clearly a changed man!

Wow amazing, there are more ways. Those two ways I know people are using today though. I didn't recieve my gifts that way either.
Thank you for posting Captian Caveman.

 

[Rachie]

This is related but not directly.
I heard this on some Sky Religion channel just last week. I heard that Christians should be involved building a new church. I think that autistics those who are Christians should have a voice and place and those with disabilities as well. Things need a turning up a bit, ruffles. In anyway you can that you feel is right. I definitely agreed with the sentiment and I only heard it last week. Sky religion channel is a recent addition in my life as I prefer religion shows discussion. I have seen some helpful programs though. Not the one though that said the High Priest was risking it death or life to God as Divine Presence. Well.

 

[jsilver256]

@jsilver256
I hope you are enjoying your Sunday.
My rector said your message was beautiful to me in a recent post in another thread. It was beautiful but with autism we can have an issue understanding things. She explained it to me.
We all part of that body of Christ as Christians. I am just a dust vessel for my father. Any gift that God gives us is good enough if God gives any.
Your situation is so unique. In many ways your recovery is far further than mine as a Christian. You see where I am with my eating disorder right still. I don't know where you are, this is a personal question to you. Have you received the Holy Spirit by any of the methods in my above post. If you haven't you may be won't may be fully aware what is gifted to you. That is between you and God.
Keep where you are and keep going.
I will be frank some of your posts I have taken as word of God which says what. All waiting to be discovered. Children are blessings to.
If you have received the Holy Spirit, for now it is enough.
Keep being you

Thank you for the lovely message Rachie.

If you are asking if the Holy Spirit revealed me with the gifts - the short answer is yes. But it's complicated to explain.

Your relationship with God seems very intimate. I do not have that relationship with God, and to some extent, I don't have that relationship with anybody else. I am very alexithymic. While technically that does not mean emotionless - I have emotions. But I have severe impairment in the ability to understand and respond to emotions, and ability to bond. It feels like there is a wall between myself and the entire human connection.

This also impairs my relationship with God as well. I can't get into worship songs. I can't get into prayers. Seeing you pour your heart out in the Religion forum, is an awe-inspiring sight for me to behold. I was awed by your testimony, your kindness.

I do however spend quite a bit time studying the Bible. I'm not an "expert" - I'd need to learn Koine Greek for that - but I have read and consumed tons of material there, both archeological and historical.

Let me tell you, skeptic Bible scholars live in a vacuum and then other kinds of historical scholars live in another kind of vacuum. So they don't look at the other field and rarely get to evaluate New Testament manuscript in a secular context. Very few, like Bart Ehrman, get to the level of properly appreciating just how astounding the evidence for Jesus' resurrection is by historical standards. It's not even close. That's why Ehrman had to conclude that tons of people simply hallucinated what they saw on the Cross.

So, I have the gift of knowledge. I have had insights on the Bible granted to me divinely in a few occasions, as the video says. Explaining the specifics would derail this thread.

I also, as strange as it sounds, have the gift of evangelism. I have been posting to a separate atheist forum for 20 years. A few of them have came to Jesus. I also share my knowledge freely with my own coworkers and friends, and on social media. I get an opportunity to share the Word almost everyday.

It is pretty odd that God would grant someone who's deaf, who's nonverbal, who's got a social anxiety score off the scale, etc. the gift of evangelism. But as Jesus told Paul - my strength is made perfect in weakness.

 

[Rachie]

Thank you for the lovely message Rachie.

If you are asking if the Holy Spirit revealed me with the gifts - the short answer is yes. But it's complicated to explain.

Your relationship with God seems very intimate. I do not have that relationship with God, and to some extent, I don't have that relationship with anybody else. I am very alexithymic. While technically that does not mean emotionless - I have emotions. But I have severe impairment in the ability to understand and respond to emotions, and ability to bond. It feels like there is a wall between myself and the entire human connection.

This also impairs my relationship with God as well. I can't get into worship songs. I can't get into prayers. Seeing you pour your heart out in the Religion forum, is an awe-inspiring sight for me to behold. I was awed by your testimony, your kindness.

I do however spend quite a bit time studying the Bible. I'm not an "expert" - I'd need to learn Koine Greek for that - but I have read and consumed tons of material there, both archeological and historical.

Let me tell you, skeptic Bible scholars live in a vacuum and then other kinds of historical scholars live in another kind of vacuum. So they don't look at the other field and rarely get to evaluate New Testament manuscript in a secular context. Very few, like Bart Ehrman, get to the level of properly appreciating just how astounding the evidence for Jesus' resurrection is by historical standards. It's not even close. That's why Ehrman had to conclude that tons of people simply hallucinated what they saw on the Cross.

So, I have the gift of knowledge. I have had insights on the Bible granted to me divinely in a few occasions, as the video says. Explaining the specifics would derail this thread.

I also, as strange as it sounds, have the gift of evangelism. I have been posting to a separate atheist forum for 20 years. A few of them have came to Jesus. I also share my knowledge freely with my own coworkers and friends, and on social media. I get an opportunity to share the Word almost everyday.

It is pretty odd that God would grant someone who's deaf, who's nonverbal, who's got a social anxiety score off the scale, etc. the gift of evangelism. But as Jesus told Paul - my strength is made perfect in weakness.

Thank you for explaining. We all have to give thanks to God, he is the one and it is all down to God our Father. As I wrote I see out of my eyes how can you doubt it. I am not asking for non believers to battle with me. This is not for it. I am alone in person. It is the only relationship I have properly had. Family is not the same. As children we all get disciplined.
I don't have the words. But I wanted to tell you as I reading and as I was doing so I was saying perfect, perfect, perfect as I scrolled down. You are perfect as you are, as God made you.
I want to tell you something I only pray usually the Our Father usually and a a few minutes. You know as Jesus said it is a good start and I was praying and asking for things I know I had better not. It wasn't what my heart was saying and only God knows it when I don't most of the time, believe you me.
Every morning and I didn't make that night one permanent without necessary changes first. I am trying and it is helping slowly. I said to my dad today. I don't feel like I am crawling. With my health I would still be in a pram.

 

[jsilver256]

Thank you @Rachie . I needed to hear that, especially before a worship service. It means a lot. Hope your Sunday has been good.

Regarding the topic of prayer, you may find comfort in Romans 8:26-27:

Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

 

[Rachie]

Thank you @Rachie . I needed to hear that, especially before a worship service. It means a lot. Hope your Sunday has been good.

Regarding the topic of prayer, you may find comfort in Romans 8:26-27:

Thank you so much.
Today I go also to a service which is very difficult for me to attend at that time of the day. It is a service called Healing and becoming whole. I go for my head as I wasn't very well with it as I have stated with my fugee states. Nobody would want it. It is a recent thing. I get laid on of hands again and again by my spiritual leader and have drank water she has made Holy for me.
I always put myself loads of steps behind other people.
Today though this time my dad is coming as he going abroad for 3 months in November and my mum as well. That leaves me with my siblings and they are not my carers. I have one who does house cleaning and I pay privately. A hoover I find too heavy to carry and it overwhelms me. To prepare for church it is not by own hand. Nothing is by my own hand.
But today the Holy Spirit has convinced my dad who is 80 and becoming less mobile to attend with me as a see off before he travels. I will miss them, they need to live their own lives. I only see my dad regularly once a week, my only true human visitor. He is joining me today for arthtis pain and increasing limited mobility which moves me to the core when I see it.
The service today is 5.30pm and I went at my usual one at 8am today and the sermon just spoke to me again.
I have been wondering how i will manage even though without my parents.

 

[Levitat0r]

This topic people don't discuss much about the actual topic. I mysef don't want to speak about my situation personally in here unless asked and if you want to read about my situation you can scroll down to my post on my journey with my faith. This is not about that. This is short. We are all just trying to get by and any Holy Spirit gifts is not our doing and cannot be attritubuted to us and if some people were doing it may get pear shaped and I would run away from that. Obviously people who work in the church can call themselves names, me i'm just Rachel with conditions who is walking with her faith in a very up and down path. Mercy can extend to the unwell as well.

I took this post to say this as I stumbled on it as I was writing but want to move away from my post, and this it is not about the topic as such. It is short. On writing mine I thought gift of sight seemed to be nothing but a modern day invention as I found no Biblical basis for it. It is called the gift of vision or prophecy. I shy away a bit from modern day inventions or is it so or not. I am not sure about this one more though and I am keen to learn, 2e gift. Is this the gifts of the Holy Spirit or not. I haven't read about it to be honest. Supernatural is a snatch as well to grab attention and when I writing my story I had to to avoid using it not to disturb Christians who these modern day things may sit not well with. I like stuff like this, but even me jumped when I saw it on someones website whether I was safe reading it as a Christian. Then I realised it was to snatch viewers draw them in.

It was very interesting to read that Justin Webly head of Anglican church in England speaks in tongues in his prayer, incredible and such progress in the church. If you want to read on the Holy Spirit gifts you read the Book of Corintihans 1:12.
Feel free to discuss the Holy Spirit gifts if you want, you can take over the post lol.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...to though. day-says-archbishop-of-canterbury

I'm not sure what specific gift you are referring to. I think you mentioned visions, but there is a passage in the Bible that says "Your young men will see visions, and the old men will dream dreams". I definitely think there is a relationship between disadvantage (such as autism), and sensitivity to the spiritual or charismatic. If God left a hole in your life, he didn't do it to impoverish you, but to fill it with something.

 

[Rachie]

I'm not sure what specific gift you are referring to. I think you mentioned visions, but there is a passage in the Bible that says "Your young men will see visions, and the old men will dream dreams". I definitely think there is a relationship between disadvantage (such as autism), and sensitivity to the spiritual or charismatic. If God left a hole in your life, he didn't do it to impoverish you, but to fill it with something.

Your understanding is correct. It has been way since I was 17 and I am 51 now and been walking with my faith all the way in my very up and down fashion. Nothing is new. Even in fugee states I prayed every night not knowing who I really was. I knew that was true. It was like I was blinded but still seeing. I am a female yes....at a time it may end. It is not there yet. I have just got disorders. Not meant to be serving God that way perhaps, just doing what I can as I enjoy it and also well. What's the point otherwise. Thank you. Philip had 4 daughters. I did post a thread about women in the Bible and that is mentioned in there.

 

[Levitat0r]

I'm not sure what specific gift you are referring to. I think you mentioned visions, but there is a passage in the Bible that says "Your young men will see visions, and the old men will dream dreams". I definitely think there is a relationship between disadvantage (such as autism), and sensitivity to the spiritual or charismatic. If God left a hole in your life, he didn't do it to impoverish you, but to fill it with something.

Also, you can see the story of Job for further illustration that poverty and loss is to make space for better things later.

 

[Rachie]

Also, you can see the story of Job for further illustration that poverty and loss is to make space for better things later.

My hands are held together like a pyramid. I didn't even knew that symbol existed. I will use it now. I say no more.

 

[Levitat0r]

My hands are held together like a pyramid. I didn't even knew that symbol existed. I will use it now. I say no more.

For example, having my hand broken was unpleasant, but it left its mark. Note further that a trinity has only three points.

 

[Rachie]

For example, having my hand broken was unpleasant, but it left its mark. Note further that a trinity has only three points.

I do know about the Trinity thank you. I would describe the hands as I looked for pictures found none. Now I try and describe I held my hands like in a prayer but was much wider and open. I don't use google that much. One page and that is way more than more of photos fo rme. Laughs. Thank you.