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Hello, I am Zylon

zylon

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Hello Aspie forum,
I am here because I am very much not NT. I understand very well now what my condition is, but it seems it is nowhere to be seen in DSM. Although I have been officially diagnosed consistently as being Asperger, that does not even begin to describe me. In fact, some features attributed to ASD are the extreme opposite of me. My core differences seem to be very different from the core of ASD. However, since ASD is the only category in the DSM (or ICD) which refers to pervasive inborn psycho-neural differences, this is where I come.
I do have some similar consequences to Aspies, such as severe social problems. But the core reason seems to be different.
My whole life is one of being different, of not belonging. I fear I do not even belong here. But since this is the closest, and I do have the official ASD diagnosis, I hope that I am welcome here, and that as I describe myself in subsequent posts, I do not alienate you.

Zylon
 
Hi zylon! Believe it or not, there is no real particular "mould" of Aspies. We are a HUGELY diverse bunch, as you will discover. Welcome, and I hope you stick around!
 
Welcome zylon, glad you found us, we're all a little different here, like they say, if you met one Aspie, you met one Aspie! :-)
 
Hello, Zylon here,
Thank you for accepting me. I would now like to describe myself. Would it be better if I put each aspect of myself ( e.g. social, intellectual, worldly defects) on the appropriate sub-form, or should I do it on this thread?
Thank you.
 
Oh, you should definitely do it here. That's why the section is called "Introduce Yourself," after all. :) Unless you are seeking specific advice on any of those aspects. :)
 
Welcome :)

It would be interesting to read how you feel you differ. I'm sure there are a fair few here who feel that they too don't quite meet the "stereotypical" idea of AS, including myself.
 
My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong - too lazy to check just now) is diagnosis isn't based on 'tick ALL the boxes and you're aspie', but more like 'if you fit four of these ten characteristics, then you're in'. So there's going to be a good variety. Both my boys are definitely on the spectrum, but they express it in very different ways.
 
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Welcome :)

It would be interesting to read how you feel you differ. I'm sure there are a fair few here who feel that they too don't quite meet the "stereotypical" idea of AS, including myself.


I do not have mind blindness; I can tell as well as anybody how other people feel. I can easily see things from another person’s view, assuming I understand their psychology. Repetitive behavior was never an issue, except for a tic, which I inherited from very social relatives. I understand my own mind very well. Intellectually, my interest was always to see “how it all fits together”, i.e. the big picture. I would do very well socially if the people I was socializing with had the same psychology as me (which they very much did not). My speech was on time and articulate.
My social problem is that my psychology is profoundly different from other people, and I am prone to extreme shyness. I learned at an early age to avoid people. I knew when they wanted something from me, but I never knew what.
My core problem is that it is very difficult and extremely painfulfor me to interface with the environment. This causes my interests, tastes, preferences, perceptions, abilities, and consequently, my history, to be profoundly different from others. For example, I never wanted to play games, or do sports, or have any interest in stories about conflict, social or otherwise. I could not apply my mind or body to the environment, such as driving a car, having a job, having a party, doing crafts, swinging on a swing, or living on my own. I cannot at all be involved in the world. However, I can be, and want very much to be, involved with a friend, as long as it does not involve the environment or any other people, and it is the type of person my heart wants as a friend.
Not only do I have an aversion to the “doing” aspect of life for myself, I also do not like it for others. I cringe when I see other people working. Therefore, my love for my friend would be unconditional; there would be no demands on my friend. I can be as close, warm, affectionate, understanding, and caring as anyone. All I would need from my friend is just to be with that person. But there would be no sex, not even kissing. In my brain, what you call sex is to me meaningless, disgusting biology, in the same category as tumors (breasts and genitals), gaping wounds (vagina), guts, and medical procedures.
I have no instinct for sexual behavior, nor perception for sexual body parts or behavioral cues. I also find infants extremely disgusting, which would cause problems if I did have families in my life.
Intelectually I think mathematically. I understand everything mathematically. However, while I have an extremely high conceptual level, I have a poor working memory, which means I cannot do formal math. Therefore, I cannot get any college degrees, even if I could tolerate the environmental involvement needed to go to college. I am highly self educated from public libraries and internet.
With the environmental interface cut off, my inner mind is extremely developed and active. My emotions (feeling, not behavior) are rich, especially towards environmental experience, especially people. But in my ideal life, life would be all experience and no action, all state of being and no dynamics.
In conclusion, my problem is primarily environmental interface. The social aspect of my problem is secondary.
But the world has taken my problem and made it much worse. Because of what I cannot do, the world prevents me from doing what I can do. Being forced to be by myself, my ability to interact with the world keeps getting worse. The world only pushes me into the very thing I hate, and away from anything I love. The physical body I am imprisoned in (i.e. age and gender) makes things much worse. Inside, I have no age or gender, but the world treats me as if I AM my age and gender, which is incompatible with what I am inside.
 
I do not have mind blindness; I can tell as well as anybody how other people feel. I can easily see things from another person’s view, assuming I understand their psychology. Repetitive behavior was never an issue, except for a tic, which I inherited from very social relatives. I understand my own mind very well. Intellectually, my interest was always to see “how it all fits together”, i.e. the big picture. I would do very well socially if the people I was socializing with had the same psychology as me (which they very much did not). My speech was on time and articulate.
My social problem is that my psychology is profoundly different from other people, and I am prone to extreme shyness. I learned at an early age to avoid people. I knew when they wanted something from me, but I never knew what.
My core problem is that it is very difficult and extremely painfulfor me to interface with the environment. This causes my interests, tastes, preferences, perceptions, abilities, and consequently, my history, to be profoundly different from others. For example, I never wanted to play games, or do sports, or have any interest in stories about conflict, social or otherwise. I could not apply my mind or body to the environment, such as driving a car, having a job, having a party, doing crafts, swinging on a swing, or living on my own. I cannot at all be involved in the world. However, I can be, and want very much to be, involved with a friend, as long as it does not involve the environment or any other people, and it is the type of person my heart wants as a friend.
Not only do I have an aversion to the “doing” aspect of life for myself, I also do not like it for others. I cringe when I see other people working. Therefore, my love for my friend would be unconditional; there would be no demands on my friend. I can be as close, warm, affectionate, understanding, and caring as anyone. All I would need from my friend is just to be with that person. But there would be no sex, not even kissing. In my brain, what you call sex is to me meaningless, disgusting biology, in the same category as tumors (breasts and genitals), gaping wounds (vagina), guts, and medical procedures.
I have no instinct for sexual behavior, nor perception for sexual body parts or behavioral cues. I also find infants extremely disgusting, which would cause problems if I did have families in my life.
Intelectually I think mathematically. I understand everything mathematically. However, while I have an extremely high conceptual level, I have a poor working memory, which means I cannot do formal math. Therefore, I cannot get any college degrees, even if I could tolerate the environmental involvement needed to go to college. I am highly self educated from public libraries and internet.
With the environmental interface cut off, my inner mind is extremely developed and active. My emotions (feeling, not behavior) are rich, especially towards environmental experience, especially people. But in my ideal life, life would be all experience and no action, all state of being and no dynamics.
In conclusion, my problem is primarily environmental interface. The social aspect of my problem is secondary.
But the world has taken my problem and made it much worse. Because of what I cannot do, the world prevents me from doing what I can do. Being forced to be by myself, my ability to interact with the world keeps getting worse. The world only pushes me into the very thing I hate, and away from anything I love. The physical body I am imprisoned in (i.e. age and gender) makes things much worse. Inside, I have no age or gender, but the world treats me as if I AM my age and gender, which is incompatible with what I am inside.

Ah, there are some traits there which do actually match up with other Aspies, but may not necessarily be found in any reference to Aspergers that you've read. I know that before I found this forum, my understanding of the spectrum was very skewed, as many references out there that exist are based on very narrow-minded examples, and are usually based on only one type of AS, or only on the more extreme cases. As there is a spectrum, everyone varies. There are actually quite a few types of behaviour, and there are many exceptions. While there are quite a few Aspies who struggle to read social cues, there are others who have learned to read these cues, but in their own way. It's actually quite fascinating. You'll have plenty of opportunities to meet the many Aspies here, and so can see what I mean in time :)

As for your desire to refrain from more intimate situations, it sounds as though you are asexual. There is a thread on here that you can discuss this with, as there are others who share your feelings towards this:
https://www.aspiescentral.com/threads/anyone-asexual.1269/
 

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