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Hello - parent of teen on the autistic spectrum

Hi
I am Carmen I have a son aged 17 with a diagnosis of autism. Over the past year he has become more angry particularly about certain things. He has become obsessed with his height and shoe size and wants to be bigger. He constantly compares himself to other men and I do understand this is related to anxiety, however it comes out as anger. He does have angry outbursts if he does things wrong on his guitar. He was at college but had to drop out due to struggling with his peers and not fitting in. I guess I wanted to join here for any advice from both teenagers and adults on the spectrum to help him as it can't be nice to feel like this most of the time. Or any parents that have experienced similar. Thank you :)
 
Hi and welcome.

He has become obsessed with his height and shoe size and wants to be bigger. He constantly compares himself to other men and I do understand this is related to anxiety,
For a 17 year old boy this is far more likely to be related to sexual frustration and the desire for a girlfriend than any form of anxiety.

Some of his responses might be autistic but his wants desires and feelings are not.
 
Hello and welcome!

17 is a time of many transitions and conflicting feelings for most kids. Difficulty with expressing feelings, processing emotions, and not feeling socially accomplished could make this phase so much harder.

Also, lots of hormonal changes, witnessing peers engaging in activities that don’t always seem attainable, and growing expectations to become an adult. Tough times. Understanding from others is important. Expressing thoughts and feelings is important, too.

Is there any chance your son would want to join here to talk about some things?
 
Hi
I am Carmen I have a son aged 17 with a diagnosis of autism. Over the past year he has become more angry particularly about certain things. He has become obsessed with his height and shoe size and wants to be bigger. He constantly compares himself to other men and I do understand this is related to anxiety, however it comes out as anger. He does have angry outbursts if he does things wrong on his guitar. He was at college but had to drop out due to struggling with his peers and not fitting in. I guess I wanted to join here for any advice from both teenagers and adults on the spectrum to help him as it can't be nice to feel like this most of the time. Or any parents that have experienced similar. Thank you :)
I think teen years are hard years, even NT's have a hard time dealing with things like body changes, social changes etc... My son went through some difficult times at 18. I don't think my son, or I understood his feelings and differences. That is frustrating wondering why he doesn't fit in, or probably even his inner feelings.
When you said my son wants to be bigger, was that taller? or weigh more? I think one of the things that really helped my son was his brother works at the Gym as a personal trainer, he talked him into going to the gym (my son always closed himself off to people and usually the anxiety is too high to meet people) but having his brother there and seeing his body become more muscular and having people come up to him and say WOW you are really doing good, and having a common goal with other people really changed him. He used to be very frustrated but held it all inside. Now he is a different person, I mean he still has hard times but he has really pushed himself to talk to people more and feel comfortable in a room of strangers. Fitting into something he never has fit in before.
 
My mental health reached its peak between the ages of 17 and 24. That seems to be the most common age for people to be the most angriest or depressed in their lives, whether they're autistic or not. But having autism added to it makes it harder, as it's harder to have friends to distract oneself.
In the end I had to go on Sertraline to help stabilize my mood (they don't take away your emotions, they just help you control your anger a bit better). But I understand meds aren't for everyone, so I'm not asking you to make your son go on meds if it isn't what you want.
 
Hi Carmen!

For the record, by coming here and talking to people you are doing the best thing you can to help your son.

That age is hard. One thing that helped me was learning kick boxing. I never hurt anybody, or threaten anybody, but the confidence I gained, plus the body control (no more awkward! Yay!) was a major boost.

Also - solo sport (no I in team, which is why I won't be there).

So, possibly a martial art?
 
Welcome!

Does your son have any hobbies/interests/achievements in general? I wonder if perhaps he may benefit from having something healthier to work towards?

I'll also echo Rodafina's sentiment of whether he may wish to join here himself.
 
Male emotions often do come out as anger and frustration. Got to love testosterone. For this simple reason alone, self-control/discipline is a virtue. Even at 56, it's still an active, conscious process to keep my emotions at bay. When I was a teen, a lot of objects where broken, $$$, and a lot of people didn't like me, including my family because of emotional outbursts. I raised 2 young men, one is pretty calm and in control, the other, not so much and can be triggered easily.

Autism or not, he's a 17 year old kid trying to figure out where he fits in his peer-group "pecking order". Often times, it does come down to physical attributes. When you're that age, body image is important. The bigger, stronger, faster males get the attention. Males are always trying "one up" each other. Females have the same issues, I suppose, but it presents in different ways.

If there is anything I would suggest, it would be some type of self-meditation. More specifically, about being a good man, responsible, calm, in control, a sense of duty, to be a protector, a mentor, logical thinker, etc. Emotions often cloud the brain, and when those emotions come out as anger and frustration, NO good can come of it. Of course, having those emotions bottled up inside is not good either, and I would suggest some high intensity physical activity as an outlet.

All I have to say about it is "This too, shall pass." It may not be until he's 35-50 years old, but it will pass. LOL!
 
Welcome, @carmenmiranda1072. A few lot of thoughts:

1) His obsession about height and shoe size did not come out of nowhere. There is a source of unhealthy ideas that you need to learn about. It could be friends, acquaintances, or stories he overheard. It could also be online forums. Finding out what that source is will greatly increase your ability to counteract it.

2) Anger often spills out of its original situation. One can start out angry about one thing and then wind up angry about everything else. To address the anger, you - and he - will need to find out the original source of the anger.

3) All teens - ND and NT alike - are more emotionally volatile because that's a time when the brain goes through a complete restructuring.

4) Perfectionism seems to be common among autistics (it's very prevalent in me!). You can help model coping behaviors by openly and casually talking about mistakes you made and how you are dealing with them. This is more effective with current and ongoing situations so he can see you coping in real time.

4a) I find that rephrasing and reframing situations helps a lot, too. For instance, my youngest son would often get frustrated with school work and say he didn't understand it. I would tell him to add one word: "yet" and get him to say "I don't understand it yet.". It helps me to overcome perfectionism by looking at mistakes and saying, "Well, I learned something" or "That was a first try. I can do better next time with what I learned." Those are somewhat trivialized examples, but I hope they illustrates the point - phrasing and mindset go hand in hand. Changing how you express a situation will change how you approach it.

When you try to talk to him, keep a few things in mind:

Everyone needs to feel heard and understood. Listen to understand, and ask open-ended questions. Don't ask questions that lead him to think that you have a specific cause or solution in mind. Become comfortable with long pauses so that he has time to think things through. When you ask questions that lead to him better understanding himself, you are teaching him to ask those questions himself - you are modeling mental and emotional processes that he needs to learn. Also, most people are more open to solutions they come up with themselves than they are with solutions that someone else has told them to try. Guiding him to solutions makes it more likely that he will work to make them work and also teaches him how to find solutions on his own.

If you want to suggest a solution or course of action, phrase it as a hypothetical: "What if you tried...", rather than "you should". If you try to relate his experiences to some of yours, keep your own story short - don't let the conversation be about you.

If can help to establish a regular time and place to talk openly, so that he associates that with safety. I (austistic) don't connect with my children as naturally as my wife (NT) does, so I established regular times to talk to them and spend time with each of them alone and with no interruptions from others. Having an established environment where our children know they have my full attention and understanding has helped them through so many situations. In fact, there were situations they wouldn't tell us about in any other setting.

Finally, don't be afraid to get professional help. Perhaps he could benefit from counseling to help him learn coping skills and strategies. Perhaps you could benefit from counseling to learn better how to counsel and guide him.
 
At his age I was feeling very isolated and had little confidence. I had a poor self image and body image and was feeling very lonely becauseI had normal desires. For me, I only began to change by pursuing physical interests in the outdoors, including whitewater open canoe and SCUBA. That gave me a bit of confidence along with research successes, but, in itself, was insufficient since I also needed to learn to be social and I wish I had a mentor for that. All of that eventually paid off.
 
If he's so worried about comparing himself to other men there's a chance he may be consuming online content from the "manosphere" or that sort of thing.

Height is not a normal preoccupation for healthy well-adjusted men; however, shortness is correlated with ugliness in the "incels" side of the internet (involuntary celibate. A bit of a misnomer as celibacy in the usual sense is voluntary.)

The shoe size nonsense is again insecurity fears or concerns of (probably sexual) inadequacy.

Who, exactly, are these men he's comparing himself to, and why doesn't he think a bit of messing up on the guitar is normal? It's music practice, and practicing always messes up.
 
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Morning
Thank you all so much for your replies! He went to college for a while he is brilliant on the guitar, however his peers as most 17 year old lads are, were talking about sex, drinking drugs etc. He tried to fit in but didn't feel comfortable. HIs height obsession I believe stems from a few things being pointed out for being small and thin at school, witnessing an assault on a female at college. I think it comes from fear therefore if he is big and tall he wont' be attacked. I'm a psychotherapist so have tried different angles but ultimately I am his mum and he is 17 so totally understandable he wont listen to me. However I have tried a recent thing of him having a time in the day to rant vent etc about things such as height etc, and asked if he can use this time to do this leaving the rest of the time for other thoughts and emotions. He has done this last few days so at the moment its helping otherwise he can spend all his day experiencing anger about situations that happened 2 years ago. Not sure if this is the right approach but trying things!
 
If he's so worried about comparing himself to other men there's a chance he may be consuming online content from the "manosphere" or that sort of thing.

Height is not a normal preoccupation for healthy well-adjusted men; however, shortness is correlated with ugliness in the "incels" side of the internet (involuntary celibate. A bit of a misnomer as celibacy in the usual sense is voluntary.)

The shoe size nonsense is again insecurity fears or concerns of (probably sexual) inadequacy.

Who, exactly, are these men he's comparing himself to, and why doesn't he think a bit of messing up on the guitar is normal? It's music practice, and practicing always messes up.
Completely agree its around anxiety and insecurity. The guitar is around all or nothing thinking so something goes wrong must mean I'm crap!
 
Get him into a sport. Teenagers have excess energy (although if you say dishes, all of a sudden they are magically so tired, lol). This excess energy, if not used productively, comes out emotionally. My daughter did archery and scouts. She also was a voracious reader.
 
Get him into a sport. Teenagers have excess energy (although if you say dishes, all of a sudden they are magically so tired, lol). This excess energy, if not used productively, comes out emotionally. My daughter did archery and scouts. She also was a voracious reader.
I wanted to add that it doesn't have to be a competitive sport. many aspies don't feel comfortable in crowds.

Maybe martial arts, or archery, swimming, rowing, etc.
 

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