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Help with Neighbor Problems

JDartistic

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Some of you already know that I'm kind of freaking out over my neighbors. I realize that much of my struggle is in my own inability to socially interact AND I have that "black and white" thinking that is really making it harder for me to cope.

Briefly, I am surrounded my neighbors who, when they threatened to harm the deer that go on my property, I responded by trying to talk to them, but only got screamed at instead, and I made the mistake of telling the guy that he was frightening me (which he was).

Now, he's telling everyone that he almost got killed b/c a deer from my yard jumped out in front of him while he was in his golf cart. What's important to NOTE about that is that I've watched this man go out in his golf cart and chase down the deer. He's also always quite drunk. Still, he is blaming me for "feeding the deer" and that I'm solely responsible for the entire deer population in this wildlife conservation area.

I live in a Redneck area, but I read in another post that some are offended by my generalizing that term, so I will describe my neighbors as often drunk and simply taking pleasure in being loud and obnoxious. They also drive around in their trucks with the American flag blazing out the back - and I mean flags that are as big as their trucks, and they just drive around and beep their horns. They do similar displays with their RVs and they like to rev their engines.

It's important to NOTE here that I am gay, and I think a lot of this hostility toward me is actually when I was stupid enough to raise a rainbow flag. I also said something on the FB page about the fireworks they set off to "scare" the deer away. It upset me b/c when the doe is in my yard, she's just eating bird seed. But when they set off the firecrackers, she "spooks" and then runs away in a panic - which is 10x more dangerous in getting hit by a car than her just eating bird seed in my yard, but for some reason they find the latter to be wrong, but fire crackers to be the solution (I don't get it)!

I've had several meltdowns, which unfortunately some of you have read on this site, and since then, I've just been hiding in my house. I even called in sick yesterday b/c I cried all day, b/c I am feeling depressed and terribly overwhelmed.

My "black and white" thinking wants me to MOVE Immediately, but then I look at my bank account and see that I can't, which in turn becomes more depression and "mutism" which is what is happening to me now when I am in the neighborhood walking my dog. I'm also excessively daydreaming cuz that's my "stim," but I am doing it now for over 8 hours a day.

How do I resolve this situation? They think it's my fault that the deer are in the hood. They think I "instigated it" by feeding the deer. But it's important to NOTE that when I moved in a year ago, I simply set up bird feeders & put out squirrel food - it's not my fault the deer also come! Worse, I don't want to stop feeding the birds and rabbits and squirrels! I want to set up a wildlife sanctuary in my yard, but I feel like they are going to hurt the doe and that it's all my fault, even though it was never my intention, but that they think I am doing this personally to them - which I am not.

What should I do? I've tried talking to them, but that's when the guy SCREAMED IN MY FACE, so that doesn't work. This guy is also really popular, whereas I'm the pharaoh in the hood.

Now, I will add that there are few neighbors who are really nice. The problem is that I don't see them that often, b/c I am surrounded (both next and across the street from me) by the "rednecks" (sorry!), so I can't ever get away from them b/c they are always right there.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...so sad I am....
 
I'm sorry you are in such an awful situation.

Could you go out and set up feeders in the woods away from people, so that you'd still be feeding the wildlife but they wouldn't be in danger from your neighbours? (I know this doesn't actually solve the neighbour problem....but maybe it would allow you to both nurture the birds and squirrels and the doe without having to worry about your neighbours hurting the doe or hurting you?)

I wish I could offer you more constructive advice....
 
I can relate to some of these issues given I live in Northern Nevada. Where there's a lot of wildlife in close proximity to human civilization. And where pro wildlife advocates occasionally face off against pro hunting advocates and/or property owners in particular.

Here there's a simple premise mostly pushed by property owners. To not feed any wildlife which potentially impacts the balance of nature locally. Even the apartment management here made it policy as some were feeding wild rabbits carrots. I enjoy all the wildlife practically outside my front door. However I do understand to a degree the fear of property owners over certain species which have a greater potential for damage to real and personal property. Especially deer.

If I were in your situation under the present circumstances, I would cease feeding any of the animals and hope that they stop being in proximity with humans which can risk their very existence. It's always a serious issue in the Lake Tahoe area with bears, and it usually ends in tragedy for curious and hungry bears looking for a free meal in an unsecured trash receptacle.

It's a sacrifice, I know. But it may be the one single thing which might allow your "problem neighbors" to back off. Perhaps enough to just leave you in relative peace, despite any overt political differences. Use it as a "litmus test". If they do back off perhaps y'all can learn to tolerate one another more than presently. And if not, then you know you need to buy time to formulate a plan to eventually move when you are able.

I live where I live almost exclusively because of the wildlife here. I spend a great deal of time just looking out my living room window. So I realize what I'm suggesting isn't easy. I'm sorry. Take care in whatever you decide.
 
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I can relate to some of these issues given I live in Northern Nevada. Where there's a lot of wildlife in close proximity to human civilization. And where pro wildlife advocates occasionally face off against pro hunting advocates and/or property owners in particular.

Here there's a simple premise mostly pushed by property owners. To not feed any wildlife which potentially impacts the balance of nature locally. Even the apartment management here made it policy as some were feeding wild rabbits carrots. I enjoy all the wildlife practically outside my front door. However I do understand to a degree the fear of property owners over certain species which have a greater potential for damage to real and personal property. Especially deer.

If I were in your situation under the present circumstances, I would cease feeding any of the animals and hope that they stop being in proximity with humans which can risk their very existence. It's always a serious issue in the Lake Tahoe area with bears, and it usually ends in tragedy for curious and hungry bears looking for a free meal in an unsecured trash receptacle.

It's a sacrifice, I know. But it may be the one single thing which might allow your "problem neighbors" to back off. Perhaps enough to just leave you in relative peace, despite any overt political differences. Use it as a "litmus test". If they do back off perhaps y'all can learn to tolerate one another more than presently. And if not, then you know you need to buy time to formulate a plan to eventually move when you are able.

I live where I live almost exclusively because of the wildlife here. I spend a great deal of time just looking out my living room window. So I realize what I'm suggesting isn't easy. I'm sorry. Take care in whatever you decide.

I've been thinking about stopping feeding her. I wonder if I can still somehow feed the birds tho. What's interesting is this doe figured out how to tip the bird feeder so the seed falls on the ground so she can eat it.

Oh, I have fig trees - forgot to mention that. Funny that my neighbors never mention the fig tree as being the problem even tho the deer feed from it. It's just me & the bird feeder they attack.

Thanks Judge. I think ur right but I hate losing her & all the beautiful critters. Maybe there's a happy medium - feed her but only apples on Mondays & Thursdays or something...& put the feeder higher up, I guess.

But u hit it on the nail - they will harm the doe eventually if I don't do something.
 
Sadly, there is absolutely nothing you can do, but just keep doing what you are doing; keep a low profile and they will soon get fed up of bating you.

My husband, who is an NT is going through a bit similar ie as in stupidity with others. He has to work alongside a black guy ( my husband is white) and he has done everything to be pleasant to this guy, even to the extent of dropping him off home etc, but this guy will bate him ( I suspect it is because my husband is white and british; we live in France).

Well, hubby went to dig out some potatoes and this guy demanded husband to help, but he was in the middle of something and said he would be right there in a moment and when that moment arrived, he tried to join the guy, but the guy said: no, you carry on with what you are doing ( bearing in mind that he is not my husband's boss).

Then the guy came up and started helping himself to potatoes and hubs said that he should ask permission, but the guy said that he had the right to them and took them away. This did not sit well with hubby and so, he came up with an idea and entered a building and saw that the "offending" potatoes were on the table and lol he exchanged them for bad ones and all hell broke loose!

Instead of trying to make peace, this black guy decides to lie and gossip about my husband!

Sadly, the director laughed at my husband when he found out the cause of the angst, but the boss man assured my husband that come monday, he will be assigning them to their own tasks.

I am so proud of my husband, because it takes guts to stand up for right; he basically was going by a principle. The guy can do what he wants, but not when he involves hubby and I get that.

It is hard when we find injustice intolerable. I wonder how I cope to be honest?
 
JD... I'm on the same page with Judge. To protect the doe, it might be best to not fight over the doe, or feed her. If she comes in and eats figs, thats her choice.

I too am in severe "redneck" territory... I think my family defined and refined the very definition of the word!
I am not a hunter... However if I was truly hungry I would do what I needed to survive and be very sick over doing so.

Maybe also not comparing flags would help... Yes, its your right and I have personally have nothing against it, but its a calling card for trouble. It sounds like you might need to just blend in a little more at this point to just get things to settle down. High stress things like this suck the life out of me. So I have to find ways to stop the madness. In my crazy mindset, my health and my sanity is always more important than my issues. Those issues often take care of themselves after I get myself out of the way... Just a thought, but always follow your heart.

Hope things settle down and you get back to normal soon. Take care. : )
 
Someone once said :
Never argue with a drunk.
They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Replace quote with 'idiots' that you live next to.
Remove all contentious issues where possible.
They should tire of you or nearly as good talk about you but you can't hear them.


What other people think of you is none of your business ( one I use)
 
I agree with Judge. The best course of action is to stop feeding the wildlife. Fig season is brief so the deer will leave when they deplete the supply. As far as your drunk neighbors riding off-road vehicles on public streets, I suggest you just call the police. It is illegal to ride off-road vehicles on public streets or to drive any kind of motor vehicle on public streets while under the influence of alcohol/drugs.

I occasionally have problems with neighbors, like the jackass who decided to use the pasture across the road from us for dove hunting, starting at daybreak with shotgun blasts, birdshot hitting our house and filling up the rain gutters, stampeding our horses and donkeys into barbed wire fences, and no advance warning to any of us. I called the local sheriff's office who quickly responded, and I personally confronted and threatened the jackass with a massive lawsuit for trespass (birdshot all over our property), interference with my personal enjoyment of my property (nuisance liability), and any other cause of action I could think of. Jackass realized that I wasn't bluffing, packed up his fellow "hunters" and firearms, and left. Maybe the fact that I'm a retired attorney with plenty of inclination and time to file and pursue a lawsuit got his attention. At any rate, I hope you find a solution to the neighbor problem and you can continue to love and nurture wildlife.
 
  1. Sutrounded by rednecks here, too. I admire you for still reaching out to furry and feathered friends. My sole goal now is to relocate and where mo one knows me, go mute. I have done this in past w good results and feeling comforted and safe. But INVARIABLY someone moves into my space thinking how sad that poor Okrad has no friends!! I will be friend of Okrad and i trust them. Then INVARIABLY i mistake this as wanting to be my friend, sad loser that i am, when really i am just their project or Christian Mission of the day. Then i am hurt becuz i got attached. Then i cant process it. Then i get into horrific depression...... Only because i opened up. Leave me the f alone. Talking makes a HUGE difference and i would rather rednecks think me non verbal and leave me alone than verbal and open to ridicule or sympathy
 
  1. Sutrounded by rednecks here, too. I admire you for still reaching out to furry and feathered friends. My sole goal now is to relocate and where mo one knows me, go mute. I have done this in past w good results and feeling comforted and safe. But INVARIABLY someone moves into my space thinking how sad that poor Okrad has no friends!! I will be friend of Okrad and i trust them. Then INVARIABLY i mistake this as wanting to be my friend, sad loser that i am, when really i am just their project or Christian Mission of the day. Then i am hurt becuz i got attached. Then i cant process it. Then i get into horrific depression...... Only because i opened up. Leave me the f alone. Talking makes a HUGE difference and i would rather rednecks think me non verbal and leave me alone than verbal and open to ridicule or sympathy

I go thru this myself. For some reason, I keep seeking approval despite knowing it never works. Gosh. So glad I'm not the only one, though. It is hard being isolated but that's why I luv the animals so much. Makes me feel better.
 
JD... I'm on the same page with Judge. To protect the doe, it might be best to not fight over the doe, or feed her. If she comes in and eats figs, thats her choice.

I too am in severe "redneck" territory... I think my family defined and refined the very definition of the word!
I am not a hunter... However if I was truly hungry I would do what I needed to survive and be very sick over doing so.

Maybe also not comparing flags would help... Yes, its your right and I have personally have nothing against it, but its a calling card for trouble. It sounds like you might need to just blend in a little more at this point to just get things to settle down. High stress things like this suck the life out of me. So I have to find ways to stop the madness. In my crazy mindset, my health and my sanity is always more important than my issues. Those issues often take care of themselves after I get myself out of the way... Just a thought, but always follow your heart.

Hope things settle down and you get back to normal soon. Take care. : )

This is right-on. I think after so many meltdowns over the escalating situation, I realized it was making me miserable. That's why I posted here for advice. I got so overwhelmed my brain went into total lockdown & I couldn't figure out what to do. My NT friends don't understand why I couldn't get over it - I just kept repeating my problem looking for advice...so, this has been so helpful! I will stop feeding the doe. I see the logic now. I also think I'll plant a few berry bushes around the yard - that satisfies my need to see wildlife but wo any consequences from neighbors.

Re the flag, I do take it down often. Still, my hood is small town, so it doesn't help cuz the word is out & I can't change that. Lots of religious hatred here - I'm an atheist & really hate all the bad religion prejudice, but don't get me started! One trauma at a time! LOL
 
This is right-on. I think after so many meltdowns over the escalating situation, I realized it was making me miserable. That's why I posted here for advice. I got so overwhelmed my brain went into total lockdown & I couldn't figure out what to do. My NT friends don't understand why I couldn't get over it - I just kept repeating my problem looking for advice...so, this has been so helpful! I will stop feeding the doe. I see the logic now. I also think I'll plant a few berry bushes around the yard - that satisfies my need to see wildlife but wo any consequences from neighbors.

Re the flag, I do take it down often. Still, my hood is small town, so it doesn't help cuz the word is out & I can't change that. Lots of religious hatred here - I'm an atheist & really hate all the bad religion prejudice, but don't get me started! One trauma at a time! LOL

You once mentioned the wildlife preserve was on the Chesapeake. Were you talking about Virginia?

Just wondering. Very different than across the Potomac in so many ways. Some politics are evolving there rapidly while other concerns are not. Where some cultures remain quite stagnant. It's complicated IMO. :eek:
 
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One thought in regards to his comment is maybe you should if you can secretly video tape/record him chasing deer away from his golf cart on YOUR property. Keep in mind, only do that on YOUR property ;)

If he has any complains in court, you can argue that he was trespassing on YOUR property and had no permission to go on to it.
 
This a bit random. But you could get a bucketful of these big hard balls made from seed. And get a good catapult and fling big lumps of seed far away.

If the feed is loose, you can buy a boilie throw stick. (It's a tube, designed to fling loose pellets a fair distance. Used for applying bait in awkward places when fishing)

It takes a bit of practice, you could even buy boilies, it's compressed fishmeal. They go about 100 yards. When you get the knack.
Good luck
 
And the animals will be able to graze. As the boilies will spread. When I used to go fishing, the gulls, recognised these sticks. And if you didn't cover it up, inside a tent, the birds would stay above you, in full knowledge your going to use it.

They used to dive through the air, and catch the boilies before they hit the water. Birds and fish love em. It will be a grazers paradise. Bang a load out at set times, consistent. Pick a time when neighbours are inside or not around.

The spread of food will keep animals in the fed area. For AGES...
 
Some of you already know that I'm kind of freaking out over my neighbors. I realize that much of my struggle is in my own inability to socially interact AND I have that "black and white" thinking that is really making it harder for me to cope.

Briefly, I am surrounded my neighbors who, when they threatened to harm the deer that go on my property, I responded by trying to talk to them, but only got screamed at instead, and I made the mistake of telling the guy that he was frightening me (which he was).

Now, he's telling everyone that he almost got killed b/c a deer from my yard jumped out in front of him while he was in his golf cart. What's important to NOTE about that is that I've watched this man go out in his golf cart and chase down the deer. He's also always quite drunk. Still, he is blaming me for "feeding the deer" and that I'm solely responsible for the entire deer population in this wildlife conservation area.

I live in a Redneck area, but I read in another post that some are offended by my generalizing that term, so I will describe my neighbors as often drunk and simply taking pleasure in being loud and obnoxious. They also drive around in their trucks with the American flag blazing out the back - and I mean flags that are as big as their trucks, and they just drive around and beep their horns. They do similar displays with their RVs and they like to rev their engines.

It's important to NOTE here that I am gay, and I think a lot of this hostility toward me is actually when I was stupid enough to raise a rainbow flag. I also said something on the FB page about the fireworks they set off to "scare" the deer away. It upset me b/c when the doe is in my yard, she's just eating bird seed. But when they set off the firecrackers, she "spooks" and then runs away in a panic - which is 10x more dangerous in getting hit by a car than her just eating bird seed in my yard, but for some reason they find the latter to be wrong, but fire crackers to be the solution (I don't get it)!

I've had several meltdowns, which unfortunately some of you have read on this site, and since then, I've just been hiding in my house. I even called in sick yesterday b/c I cried all day, b/c I am feeling depressed and terribly overwhelmed.

My "black and white" thinking wants me to MOVE Immediately, but then I look at my bank account and see that I can't, which in turn becomes more depression and "mutism" which is what is happening to me now when I am in the neighborhood walking my dog. I'm also excessively daydreaming cuz that's my "stim," but I am doing it now for over 8 hours a day.

How do I resolve this situation? They think it's my fault that the deer are in the hood. They think I "instigated it" by feeding the deer. But it's important to NOTE that when I moved in a year ago, I simply set up bird feeders & put out squirrel food - it's not my fault the deer also come! Worse, I don't want to stop feeding the birds and rabbits and squirrels! I want to set up a wildlife sanctuary in my yard, but I feel like they are going to hurt the doe and that it's all my fault, even though it was never my intention, but that they think I am doing this personally to them - which I am not.

What should I do? I've tried talking to them, but that's when the guy SCREAMED IN MY FACE, so that doesn't work. This guy is also really popular, whereas I'm the pharaoh in the hood.

Now, I will add that there are few neighbors who are really nice. The problem is that I don't see them that often, b/c I am surrounded (both next and across the street from me) by the "rednecks" (sorry!), so I can't ever get away from them b/c they are always right there.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...so sad I am....

Seeking confrontations is bad for anyone as far as personal consequences go. Sometimes you have to go for it anyway, but it does not seem urgent or useful right now in your case. Life is bound to get a bit easier if you do not obviously flaunt hot button topics with your obnoxious neighbors and become a particular target for them. That might be the deer mural and the feeders that the deer can raid easily. These are a danger to what you love, besides.

I thought shooting seed balls was a brilliant idea, but attracting more wildlife to your neighbors will result in more roadkill and full freezers. Probably more suffering from the wildlife will be another consequence. Perhaps you can find a better location for the seed ball dispersion than your pocket of obnoxious, wildlife-hating neighbors. Maybe you can contact some organizations that like wildlife to get coping methods and support.

Planting berry bushes around your yard may have mixed results since they will still be there attracting wildlife when you manage to leave. The bushes could be good to help you cut down your food expenses to save up to move. They might even give you extra income. The berry bushes might help sell your place when you are ready to move.

I sure hope you manage to have peace of mind where you are until you move. I hope to live out in the Alaskan Bush and shudder to think how I would cope with neighbors like yours. The good part for me is that neighbors in the Alaskan Bush can be a lot farther away and less of a problem.
 
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You once mentioned the wildlife preserve was on the Chesapeake. Were you talking about Virginia?

Just wondering. Very different than across the Potomac in so many ways. Some politics are evolving there rapidly while other concerns are not. Where some cultures remain quite stagnant. It's complicated IMO. :eek:

I'm in Maryland - Edgewater. It was actually voted the "Most Redneck area in the entire State." I kid you not...and I'll add that my neighbors are quite proud of that!
 
I'm in Maryland - Edgewater. It was actually voted the "Most Redneck area in the entire State." I kid you not...and I'll add that my neighbors are quite proud of that!

I'm floored. :eek: So close to Annapolis too. Didn't think Maryland had any places like that. I'm from the other side of the Potomac.

Of course when I lived in VA it was quite different...another era. ;)
 
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I'm floored. :eek: So close to Annapolis too. Didn't think Maryland had any places like that. I'm from the other side of the Potomac.

Of course when I lived in VA it was quite different...another era. ;)

In Annapolis, my area is referred to as 'Annapolis Country' - & not in a good way.
 

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