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Orlando Morean

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Hi ... I am new to the forum but not to autism. I am in the spectrum and so is my 34 years old son Samuel. My son estrange us since Jan 2021 and I cannot find ways to close the bridge. I wonder if anyone have heard or has experienced a similar situation. Any help is very much appreciated.
Glad to join the forum.
Cheers
Orlando
 
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Welcome! Sometimes, the nature of the spectrum can cause two people on it to have rather unfortunate falling aparts, especially if they have conflicting needs. Often the issue comes down to (mis)-understandings. Is there a way to extend an olive branch perhaps?
 
Hi and welcome. Perhaps he feels hurt about something, or that you don't understand him? Is it new for you not to get along, or has this happened before? Sorry you are up against this.
 
Hi. ... thanks for being so kind to respond. I do pray everyday and love my son so much.
Never happen before but he has progressively changed. Circumstances have been quite difficult for the family. I have done some research. Specialists indicate: finding to blame for his difficulties; using isolation as an act of independence; trauma due to conflicts. It is a mystery at this point and I was hoping to find some hints or guidance on how to create bridges ... we will never give up though....
Thanks
Orlando
 
@Orlando Morean , I appreciate your concerns and feelings.

I am one of those estranged sons. My life experience and family interactions are my own. My father passed away last year, the family never had a funeral and I have yet to see my mother. I was very confused with myself why I literally felt nothing,...still don't.

At some level I feel some guilt. The reasons for my lack of contact are layered. My autism variant,...I don't miss people,...out-of-sight, out-of-mind. I have love for my family, I get along fine with them most of the time, but there is a bit of dysfunction on several levels,...and being around them has always been a stressful situation. My mother and father were not aware I had autism,...I had "behavior issues",...and we never saw things with the same level of intellect and perspective. It was not like I just walked out the door one day,...it was simply years of drifting apart and then,...nothing.

I am sure your son has his own reasons. I hope you can meet up again and have a meaningful talk about things. Peace be with you.
 
@Orlando Morean , I appreciate your concerns and feelings.

I am one of those estranged sons. My life experience and family interactions are my own. My father passed away last year, the family never had a funeral and I have yet to see my mother. I was very confused with myself why I literally felt nothing,...still don't.

At some level I feel some guilt. The reasons for my lack of contact are layered. My autism variant,...I don't miss people,...out-of-sight, out-of-mind. I have love for my family, I get along fine with them most of the time, but there is a bit of dysfunction on several levels,...and being around them has always been a stressful situation. My mother and father were not aware I had autism,...I had "behavior issues",...and we never saw things with the same level of intellect and perspective. It was not like I just walked out the door one day,...it was simply years of drifting apart and then,...nothing.

I am sure your son has his own reasons. I hope you can meet up again and have a meaningful talk about things. Peace be with you.
@Orlando Morean , I appreciate your concerns and feelings.

I am one of those estranged sons. My life experience and family interactions are my own. My father passed away last year, the family never had a funeral and I have yet to see my mother. I was very confused with myself why I literally felt nothing,...still don't.

At some level I feel some guilt. The reasons for my lack of contact are layered. My autism variant,...I don't miss people,...out-of-sight, out-of-mind. I have love for my family, I get along fine with them most of the time, but there is a bit of dysfunction on several levels,...and being around them has always been a stressful situation. My mother and father were not aware I had autism,...I had "behavior issues",...and we never saw things with the same level of intellect and perspective. It was not like I just walked out the door one day,...it was simply years of drifting apart and then,...nothing.

I am sure your son has his own reasons. I hope you can meet up again and have a meaningful talk about things. Peace be with you.


Thanks so much for sharing.
You said "your son has his own reasons" ... and that is so true. Who does not have behavior issues nowadays?. But, there is beauty in the differences of intellect and perspective. The final result can be so much better, like a graft on a tree, they are different but together they give better fruits ...
I appreciate so much you shared your perspective. It increases my awareness and patience. I would like to suggest to bring the most beautiful memories of a person you care for, keep it in your mind for enougth time to make closer to your conciousness, and make it grow. I may humbly suggest the following interview to Nick Vujicic ("no arms, no legs, no worries"):
. It may not be in line with your needs, but I found it enlightening....
Thanks! ... Peace be with you as well ...
 
@Orlando Morean, amazing interview. As a parent,...and I am,...2 boys, now in their mid-20's (both very successful),...and as someone that specializes in neonatal medicine for the past 35 years or so,...I can appreciate both the physiological and psychological impact as a parent, as well as knowing the real world consequences of being somehow different. I wish more people had the attitude that Nick Vujicic had about life,...the world would be a much better place.

I can see why this interview impacted you enough to recommend it to me,...and thanks. However, as you said, "It may not be in line with your needs,..." Getting back to your original post and my previous response,...and this is just me,...but I don't feel as if I had a strong need for anyone. This is a bit of a double-edged sword here, but my parents instilled a very strong sense of independence with me,...my parents, by today's standards would be accused of neglect in the sense that I didn't have much supervision growing up. If I wanted something, I had to get it,...and usually little kids do want something (the latest toy, trendy clothes, whatever),...and with parents that didn't have much money, they were quick to remind me that requires money. So, I worked,...kid jobs,...yard work, shoveling snow, cleaning garages, painting, collecting bottles, cans, and newspapers (a local recycling center paid by the pound),...whatever. Pulled my little red wagon around the neighborhoods for hours and hours. I always had money. I was out the door by 7-8am and had to be home for dinner or before dark. I was buying my own clothes by the time I was 12yrs old. I had enough money saved up to pay for the first two years of college. At 18yo, my parents dropped me off at the university,...some 3hrs away,...dumped my stuff off in my dorm room and they were gone,...and that was pretty much it. I had no transportation of my own,...I worked on campus,...and if I wanted to come home, I had to find a ride there and back,...even at Christmas. My parents
were not going to make that trip.

In some respects, I appreciate what they did for me,...it pushed me to not depend upon others and to just do things myself,...a double-edged sword. My wife and I, for many years afterward,...and still to this day,...I get frustrated with this idea that my projects involve me, and not her,...but her projects always involve me doing most of it. I have done all sorts of things, complete renovations on a house, studied and passed the electrician's license test so I could get a permit to do a complete home rewiring, I've rebuilt engines, transmissions, suspensions, learned how to weld, on and on,...by myself,...jobs that realistically were professional jobs that often required two or more people. That's the type of independent person I am.

So, throw that independent streak onto an autistic person who, frankly, has a serious interpersonal bonding issue (both physiologic and psychologic),...one can hopefully understand that sometimes leaving people behind does not cause any emotional or psychological stress. People come and go in my life,...a revolving door. Rarely do we separate on bad terms,...we just drift apart. As it is with my parents and siblings,...we just drifted apart,...and no hard feelings.

I hope that your son, in his own way, is not harboring any hard feelings,...but rather he may just have an interpersonal bonding issue, has a sense of independence, he's just drifted apart from you,...and he's totally OK with his life and doing well. If that's the case, I think the door is likely open to rekindling a relationship if he's willing to put some mental energy towards it.:)
 
I am glad you found Nick Vujicic video interesting. Our cases are definitively different. My son Samuel suffered several traumas as we needed to leave our homecountry while a communist totalitarian system was implemented. He has the abilities to live independent, but I believe he is kind of "lock down" in an state that represent mental safety but does not allow him to move on. Your case is admirable, although I find hard to understand that a person does not need anybody else. But the world is a big place and we are all different.
I appreciate very much your feedback and insights...
Best regards ...Orlando
 

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