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How do you communicate?

Len Huppe

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Hi Everyone,

I am feeling down following a recent break up and need to talk. My girlfriend kept telling me that we needed to communicate better. Now I keep hearing those words over and over again in my mind and wondering what I could have done differently. For me communication was difficult from the start.

My question for the community is how do you communicate? When I am faced with conflict I tense up and my mind goes blank. Its very similar to PTSD where the person goes into flight mode and just wants to get away. Its really hard to think or respond when I am in that place.

I know that some of you have overcome this and I really want to know how you did it.

Thank you in advance
 
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I will look for replies, too. While there are many who overcame it, there are many of us who have not and also many others (like myself) who THOUGHT we did, only to find we never did.
 
I communicate extensively and mainly from my own perspective, i dislike this and trying hard to develop a understanding that others intent isn't always to 'get their own perceptive or way' tricky as a person working on low self esteem and a set mindset, i want people to give me the benefit of 'my way of being' yet struggle to alknowledge the world and individuals are 'being them' and may not be aware of the effect my own sence of 'injustice' and need to be understood has on others, so yes i find communicating and connecting with others hard word and currently mostly unsatisfying.
 
I will look for replies, too. While there are many who overcame it, there are many of us who have not and also many others (like myself) who THOUGHT we did, only to find we never did.

Could it be that there are too many communication styles for us to accommodate them all? What if the person we are trying to interact with possesses a communication style that is incompatible with the way that an Aspie thinks?
 
Hi Everyone,

I am feeling down following a recent break up and need to talk. My girlfriend kept telling me that we needed to communicate better. Now I keep hearing those words over and over again in my mind and wondering what I could have done differently. For me communication was difficult from the start.

My question for the community is how do you communicate? When I am faced with conflict I tense up and my mind goes blank. Its very similar to PTSD where the person goes into flight mode and just wants to get away. Its really hard t think and respond when I am in that place.

I know that some of you have overcome this and I really want to know how you did it.

Thank you in advance

My experience with my ex girlfriend leads me to believe that I was supposed to respond to things which were not openly expressed, like, I was just supposed to know how she was feeling or what I was doing wrong


Or like I am completely clueless and missing very obvious things in front of my face

It's one or the other
 
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Big issue between my wife and me!

Me: what can I do? How are you feeling? What do you need? (take your pick)
Wife: I shouldnt have to tell you.
Me: why cant you just tell me?
Wife: some things you should just know.
Me:*aaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh*

Seems to me a NT vs Aspie difference that is fundamentally to each. My wife feels some intimate communication needs to be unspoken to be intimate or even to be able to take place and of course I'm how many of us are - I want it articulated otherwise it doesnt exist.

Solutions? Not sure, for us: compromise and understanding that each is different. But it makes us both a bit sad and a bit mad sometimes.
 
I basically went to therapy on and off from age 18 when I went to university. I learned a lot, I think my father would've had high autistic traits or Aspergers, and my mother low power narcissism, they basically argued in a continuous way throughout my childhood, so I had lots to catch up on in the development of skills apart from the autistic traits or Aspergers which I didn't know about until my 50s.

After working in care contexts for a while, I taught communication skills in care contexts in Further Ed, so l learned a lot more, and later I went on and trained in therapeutic skills and relationship counselling.

By my 50s I was able to see that certain issues were still present, my difficulties in unstructured social communication and getting overwhelmed in difficult communication situations like when someone is rude or tyrannical - seems to happen a lot at work in universities...

That was when I stumbled across autistic traits and Aspergers, doing further training working with families. Yahoo, the missing piece of the puzzle, then I could understand what was brain difference, ie most of what I was left with by then that was still a problem, and find better strategies for what needed to be worked around, and couldn't be changed or developed out of.

I had improved my attachment security levels a lot over the years. I often recommend looking into work on your attachment security, as this is a core part of functioning in a relationship and over the years I saw that this was more significant in clients I worked with than any other factor, including autistic traits once I recognised them.

I also learned listening skills and how to support others communication. The basis of this was in my childhood situation having parents who largely ignored me and my sister and continuously argued. So I already had an idea I was supposed to listen and try to help and lots of practice. This isn't so unusual for people socialised as women.

Then I did some basic counselling training, and for you as an adult, I would recommend that. A Level 1 training that you can then progress to levels 2 or 3, if you enjoy it, teaches such a lot, and most people can get on to level 1 if you smile a bit and seem friendly. It puts you in a position to learn skills and to practice with others. Have to wait a bit for that given the covid crisis, but maybe study online at first.

A lot of what trips people up in relationships is they feel insecure, and this makes them overreact to the other person and be defensive, or attack because they feel attacked, and they hurt the other persons feelings and things get worse. The basis of attachment security is in childhood and past life experiences, and it's workable on and can be developed just as much for neurodiverse people, research tells us.

But also, and alongside this, improving listening skills and abilities to discuss issues less defensively, makes a big difference. So I would say, knowing you have high autistic traits or Aspergers, knowing your current attachment style, (online tests and information about this) and gaining improved interpersonal communication skills is the 3 part key for many people to helping yourself. Ongoing therapy helps too, depending on your situation.
 
How to win friends and influence people is a very interesting book that despite its horrible title talks about exactly this.
It's all about how to understand other people and communicate. Helped me start to improve at work many years ago.
Still working on it but it's a good start.
 
Following!
Big issue between my wife and me!

Me: what can I do? How are you feeling? What do you need? (take your pick)
Wife: I shouldnt have to tell you.
Me: why cant you just tell me?
Wife: some things you should just know.
Me:*aaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh*

Seems to me a NT vs Aspie difference that is fundamentally to each. My wife feels some intimate communication needs to be unspoken to be intimate or even to be able to take place and of course I'm how many of us are - I want it articulated otherwise it doesnt exist.

Solutions? Not sure, for us: compromise and understanding that each is different. But it makes us both a bit sad and a bit mad sometimes.

The above scenario describes my failed marriage. I would say that I can't read your mind and she would say that I didn't need to, I just needed to figure it out. Then I would follow up with its not that simple. I tried to initiate intimacy without being prompted but my timing was always off. Over time I learned to stop trying for fear of rejection.

In a more recent attempt at a relationship I was told that having to be direct ruins the mood. That was hard to accept because she knows that I am an Aspie. When I stated that I needed for her to either be direct or give me some clues, it did not go over well. I felt like there was no possible middle ground for us to meet on, an awful feeling for sure.

I think that Barymore is right in stating that the answer, at least up front, is to compromise with the understanding that each is different. However that requires both partners to be open to compromise. What do we do if our partner is not open to compromise? I don't have the answer for that. Not yet at least. The search for an answer continues.
 
Could it be that there are too many communication styles for us to accommodate them all? What if the person we are trying to interact with possesses a communication style that is incompatible with the way that an Aspie thinks?

It's hard to know. Language clearly is a manufactured construct that was not part of our existence forever. Clicks and whistles and pointing and drawing and rhythms were......Then we learned to put these sounds into a symbol. It's not even natural. THEN we learned to write which is newer still than talking. And now we are supposed to think we as a species mastered it? And further, master what others are saying?? PERVERSE!

Words just bother me now. They are fake and false and unnatural. I hate them.
 
How to win friends and influence people is a very interesting book that despite its horrible title talks about exactly this.
It's all about how to understand other people and communicate. Helped me start to improve at work many years ago.
Still working on it but it's a good start.

Ah yes, Napolian Hill. I read his book many years ago. I agree that it does offer some sound advice. Its been so long now that I forgot what I learned from it. Maybe I should reread it. Thanks for the reading tip.
 
I communicate extensively and mainly from my own perspective, i dislike this and trying hard to develop a understanding that others intent isn't always to 'get their own perceptive or way' tricky as a person working on low self esteem and a set mindset, i want people to give me the benefit of 'my way of being' yet struggle to alknowledge the world and individuals are 'being them' and may not be aware of the effect my own sence of 'injustice' and need to be understood has on others, so yes i find communicating and connecting with others hard word and currently mostly unsatisfying.

I am so sorry to hear of your struggles. I too struggle to communicate and connect with others. However whenever I do manage to overcome my own barriers the result is not only satisfying but uplifting as well. I invite you to look at how this thread has exploded. In little more than 12 hours it has gotten 12 replies and 173 views. As difficult as communicating is for us, its what we need. Being here and talking with other Aspies is lifting me out of a deep depression and ending my loneliness. I hope that you will keep coming around and joining us.
 
Bluntly and verbosely.
Often along tangents that don't immediately appear obvious.

Ah yes, those moments when our minds go off in multiple directions and people wonder what on earth we are talking about. Been there and done that too I am afraid. I will be discussing the possibility of medications to help with that issue in an upcoming appointment. Have you considered doing the same?
 
The above scenario describes my failed marriage. I would say that I can't read your mind and she would say that I didn't need to, I just needed to figure it out. Then I would follow up with its not that simple. I tried to initiate intimacy without being prompted but my timing was always off. Over time I learned to stop trying for fear of rejection.

In a more recent attempt at a relationship I was told that having to be direct ruins the mood. That was hard to accept because she knows that I am an Aspie. When I stated that I needed for her to either be direct or give me some clues, it did not go over well. I felt like there was no possible middle ground for us to meet on, an awful feeling for sure.

I think that Barymore is right in stating that the answer, at least up front, is to compromise with the understanding that each is different. However that requires both partners to be open to compromise. What do we do if our partner is not open to compromise? I don't have the answer for that. Not yet at least. The search for an answer continues.

My general assumption is that people view things from their own perspective, like if they enjoy Christmas shopping and exchanging of gifts, they assume you must. Or maybe for some people here, since we might like to be directly told what the expectation is, we assume that others must work like this

I guess I actually like Christmas exchanging of gifts and so, but I just find it too stressful to go through all the Christmas shopping and wrapping things and so on, so I would prefer to not share gifts, because I don’t want to have to hold up my part of the bargain

Like my ex-gf told me she felt like she had a roommate and not a boyfriend. A roommate told me I made him feel like an ignored dog or something because I didn’t talk to him all the time

But I dearly loved my ex-gf and still do and I didn’t mean to make my roommate feel bad. Like I guess what I do ends up seeming like what the other person would do if they were unhappy...like, if my girlfriend didn’t care about me she would have slept somewhere else and not have always remembered to buy gifts, or if my roommate was mad at me he would have not talked to me like I was

Why I am so sad about my ex-gf and if things just would have been more clearer about what my obligations were, I would have tried harder. Like if we could have just sat down and talked about what I have to do to make her happy I would tried harder, but it just did not occur to me that I wasn’t doing enough, because I don’t need to share a bed or get gifts all the time to feel like I am important to someone else
 
I am so sorry to hear of your struggles. I too struggle to communicate and connect with others. However whenever I do manage to overcome my own barriers the result is not only satisfying but uplifting as well. I invite you to look at how this thread has exploded. In little more than 12 hours it has gotten 12 replies and 173 views. As difficult as communicating is for us, its what we need. Being here and talking with other Aspies is lifting me out of a deep depression and ending my loneliness. I hope that you will keep coming around and joining us.

I was feeling desperately isolated, and maybe lonely when I started on here. With me, what happens is being “normal” all the time is just too difficult, so I end up isolated
 
With difficulty.

I learnt that some of the important parts of communication are:
- Listening, really listening what the other person is saying.
- Looking them in the eyes (between eyes or forehead, less distracting) to assure them that you're listening (otherwise they get angry or annoyed for being 'ignored').
- Asking questions concerning things I don't fully understand, doesn't matter how these questions make me look.
- Staying calm, especially if the other person is getting worked up.
- Never assuming any kind of intent, bad or otherwise.
- Avoiding judging others or their words without knowing the full story.
- Speaking up whenever something so wrong because unresolved issues only get worse in time.
- Being as sincere as possible (but not brutally honest) and encourage openness and gentle honesty between me and other people.
- No speaking of negative things about a person when there are other people around - resolve issues one on one (otherwise they get very defensive or even aggressive, since they perceive it as humiliation).
 
Hi everyone,

Your response to this thread has been very good and I find that encouraging. In fact the response has been so good that I am unable to keep up. I want to respond personally to all of you so I ask that you be patient as I work my way through your posts. Over time I plan to post some thought-provocative questions to the community for discussion. I hope that you will all continue to weigh in on my discussions in the future. This forum has been a life saver for me and I do appreciate all of you.
 
With difficulty.

I learnt that some of the important parts of communication are:
- Listening, really listening what the other person is saying.
- Looking them in the eyes (between eyes or forehead, less distracting) to assure them that you're listening (otherwise they get angry or annoyed for being 'ignored').
- Asking questions concerning things I don't fully understand, doesn't matter how these questions make me look.
- Staying calm, especially if the other person is getting worked up.
- Never assuming any kind of intent, bad or otherwise.
- Avoiding judging others or their words without knowing the full story.
- Speaking up whenever something so wrong because unresolved issues only get worse in time.
- Being as sincere as possible (but not brutally honest) and encourage openness and gentle honesty between me and other people.
- No speaking of negative things about a person when there are other people around - resolve issues one on one (otherwise they get very defensive or even aggressive, since they perceive it as humiliation).

This is an excellent response.

I would just like to add, that in my case, since I pass as normal, people assume that I am normal and can do everything in a normal way

Like, as an example, my ex-gf cooked and sent out cards and kept in touch with friends and was excellent at multi tasking and planned complicated things out and on and on. So, since I seem like her, since I seem normal, it was just like she was assuming that I can do all the things that she can do and if I didn’t do these things I was maybe being lazy or didn’t care or something

But I just can’t do all the things my ex-gf can do, no matter how hard I try, I just can’t

I’m not really sure what it’s like for people who seem more the part, like more high functioning autism, but it sucks seeming normal or even smart normal, so you judged by normal rules
 

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