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I realize that how my family and how other 12 steppers think of me is irrelevant.

Metalhead

Video game and movie addict. All for gay pride.
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They all expect me to pity and feel sorry for the people who sexually abused me when I was a child. They expect me to feel sorry for my entire tainted bloodline which has denied I was ever sexually abused and who always claim that it is extremely unhealthy for me to not want to be around my previous abusers today. Boo hoo hoo, sob sob sob, let's feel sorry for the poor unfortunate molesters because they are far more unhappy than what I will ever be - that is the official narrative in the blood family and that is the official narrative most 12-steppers are trying to feed to me. I'm the addict, I'm the one who has to make amends to my abusers, or something like that.

I am severing all ties with 12-stepping as of right now.
 
I guess they were trying to follow the turn the other cheek philosophy. You are probably making a good decision for you.
 
I think you are starting to examine the gaslighting closer now that you aren't so wrapped up emotionally or invested. Question everything told to you by anybody as you are taking the reins of your life now. You are only obligated to yourself, not parents, relatives, organizations, employers.
 
I think you are starting to examine the gaslighting closer now that you aren't so wrapped up emotionally or invested. Question everything told to you by anybody as you are taking the reins of your life now. You are only obligated to yourself, not parents, relatives, organizations, employers.
I actually watched a documentary yesterday titled Rewind - it is about a young filmmaker going over his old family videos and recounting how he was sexually abused by three relatives and the eventual prosecution of those three men. His mother stood behind her son 1000% here. It also explored how the abuse went from generation to generation, kinda like how it does in my family. It is up to me to stop the cycle of abuse for myself, I cannot save the rest of my family which chooses to stay in denial of how diseased the whole situation is. Forget them, I am better off without engaging in any of that any further.
 
Seriously, between being force fed hardcore pornography from both my younger sister and my aunt (who really should have known better) when I was 10 YEARS OLD..... Then when I told my mother about it when it was happening, she told me I should feel sorry for my sister and my aunt..... Then my sister's friends brought explicit Hustler style magazines and spread them throughout my family's living room where they stayed for a couple of years, my mother claimed she hated that they were there but it was easier for her to complain about it than to take action and clean it up..... I hated that environment. My aunt's house had hardcore porn all over the place, too, and she was raising toddlers in that environment, and somehow I am an asshole for saying she was a bad mother over that. My mother is somehow more concerned about me violating the rights of others, which was never really an issue in my life, but she turned a blind eye whenever my boundaries were being violated. She tells me that I remember things differently than they actually happened - she isn't even trying to hide that she is resorting to gaslighting me, and she knows that because I was the one who spent a few months in a psych ward when I was a child, people will always take her word over mine in the blood family. I am the mental defect in the family, that is my prescribed role, when I first started enforcing my personal boundaries with my family a few years ago, my mother started telling everybody that she was worried my friends talked me into going off my medications because I was the crazy one.

Between the nonstop sexual harassment and occasional sexual abuse from my aunt, my mother and my sister when I was growing up, it took me a while to overcome the misogyny that I felt for too long.

My family is truly sick and diseased, and somehow I am the asshole because I am not going to sugarcoat any of that or make any excuses for any of it. I am saving myself now. I know how I want to live. I want to eat healthy food, have healthy relationships with healthy people, work my job, make my money, have more physical activity, not obsess about my family any longer. They are going to do what they are going to do, I can't change any of it. I can only change myself and how I react to their crap.
 
Sadly, there are entire generations caught in this horrid cycle of mind control being pushed on young kids by way of porn, corpal punishment, verbal abuse, gaslighting, who may never break the cycle as you did. I broke the generational abuse of corpal punishment with my daughter. I felt it served no purpose. She is pretty well adjusted, so l believe that proves my point. I also taught her at a young age that nobody should touch her inappropriately, and to tell us no matter what was said to her, even if someone threatened to kill her parents.
 
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Sadly, there are entire generations caught in this horrid cycle of mind control being pushed on young kids by way of porn, corpal punishment, verbal abuse, gaslighting, who may never break the cycle as you did. I broke the generational abuse of no corpal punishment with my daughter. I felt it served no purpose. She is pretty well adjusted, so l believe that proves my point.
I know it. It doesn't help when other people in AA tell me, "You don't care about other people in the family being abused, you only care about yourself. You're an alcoholic, you only care about yourself by default!" Being surrounded by people who think like that and seriously project their selfish natures onto others can't be healthy.
 
I know it. It doesn't help when other people in AA tell me, "You don't care about other people in the family being abused, you only care about yourself. You're an alcoholic, you only care about yourself by default!" Being surrounded by people who think like that and seriously project their selfish natures onto others can't be healthy.
Sadly dogma can be found in other works besides religion.

Point taken. That in some ways AA may seem similar to organizations like "Synanon". When good intentions can go astray in a big way.
 
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I think you brave to speak up, there are women who are not well behaved, sadly they can be very damaging.
I remember years ago there was a movie about a mute boy who would stim badly and try type on his laptop to tell his mother bad things happened, it made me cry to think people could pick on such a kid!
This is sad aspect of ASD is we don't look disabled so at times our behaviour isn't always understood and another is selectively mute or finding it difficult to speak up about I'll treatment....worse is If people are not supportive you become more mute in future even if it's just standing up about fair and equal treatment without calling out really devestating stuff.
It's taken so many years for me to find my feelings and feel in life, some can't imagine numb and I don't want to go back to living senseless and numb....drowning away bad stuff....I want to be happy
 
@Metalhead I'm so sorry for everything you've had to suffer through. I can relate in a lot of ways that I don't want to get into right now but I absolutely detest my dad and step mother (who was just his gf at the time) for introducing me to extreme hardcore pornography when I was only about 7 or 8 years old. In such a huge way it warped so much about me that I don't know how or when it will ever be fixed. My heart goes out to you and you are no obligated to anyone but yourself like other posters have said. Please know this is a safe place and I'm happy you are here to share because some of us have very similar struggles.
 
I have had therapists tell me that some of the things my aunt and my mother did to me when I was a young boy would have raised massive red flags if an adult man did those things to a young girl. I sense some female privilege going on here. Women can sexually abuse boys and be thought of as being "very unhappy" and get away with it scot free. That just ain't right how that works.
 
The trivializing of someone's trauma compounds that trauma. Your supposed "loved ones" are complicit in your recovery. They have no understanding and no regard for what you've endured and continue to endure to this very moment. Every one of them should be ashamed but it seems some are incapable of shame no matter how appalling their behavior. The fact that you've come out from under alcoholism in the face of all this is a tremendous accomplishment, and you should praise and congratulate yourself not just daily but regularly throughout each day, whether or not you feel your alternative forms of coping are not ideal.
 
I realize that how ANYBODY thinks of me is irrelevant as long as I get my facts right and my stories straight.
 
Have you got other friends or connections you can rely on and who support you without having agendas? It would be good to have such friends. This helps us to move on, and live our lives.

I totally support your views and comments here, maybe you could write bullet points about this and stick them up around you, so that you can feel reminded of these excellent points.

Maybe you could also think through why you have or tolerate so many people in your life who are negative towards you, and how to avoid this in future and ongoing? You have so many talents and great qualities, I am glad to hear you are moving on.
 
Everybody else in the family seriously believes that my mother has always been my number one advocate in my life. She always loved putting up a massive show of how much she was willing to fight for me, while at the same time she always told everybody to never take a word I say seriously because I was mentally defective. The ableism was always off the charts with her treatment of me.

Making sexually inappropriate comments about my body when I was in middle school, groping my ass on a regular basis when I was in high school and doubling down on that when I told her I wanted her to stop doing that, demanding to know which specific sex acts I engaged in with my first boyfriend and then starting to cry and claim she only needed to know that because she loves me after I told her I did not want that talk with her….. she was up to some VERY disturbing behavior with me throughout the years, and she will deny all of this if I bring it up to her today and claim I remember things differently than they actually happened. According to her, I had a sheltered childhood, I never told her I was being bullied at school, I was never bullied by my sister or sexually abused by my aunt, I lived a childhood full of privilege according to her narrative and I just needed to take my chemical restraints to see the reality. My mother hated it after I took control of my own mental health treatment and the tests came back proving I had no cognitive or intellectual disabilities. Then she just accused me of lying for attention or just to hurt her feelings.

I cannot win with her because she never plays fair. She lies as easily as she breathes and the whole family thinks she treats me well. This is disgusting.
 
You can win though, because you can stop interacting with her. That's a total win for you, and frees up your headspace to further your own positive goals instead of dwelling on the past. You already have outwitted her, and escaped, so she hasn't won at all.
 
You can win though, because you can stop interacting with her. That's a total win for you, and frees up your headspace to further your own positive goals instead of dwelling on the past. You already have outwitted her, and escaped, so she hasn't won at all.
Yeah, I have been successfully grey rocking her the last couple of months. I cannot give her the satisfaction of knowing how much she hurt me, because then she would turn around and continue perpetuating from her comfortable victim stance. Look at my gimp son and how ungrateful he is towards me! He should know better than to think for himself! His thoughts are never valid!

She has far deeper mental illness issues than whatever I had to deal with in my life.
 
I can mourn the lack of a decent childhood, I can mourn the lack of a loving blood family, but now I must move on.
 

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