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If someone doesn't like you...

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...would you rather know it and adjust your expectations and behavior accordingly? Or would you rather they find a way to at least appear as if they like you, and treat you nicely regardless of what they actually think of you?

And follow-up question...

Do you think your response to this question is uniquely autistic in nature? Or is it more of a personal thing that could be just as likely an NT's attitude as well?
 
1.)Hmm, if it was someone in my personal life, I would rather know it.

2.)If it was a boss or coworker, I would rather that they treat me courteously: I don't have to know if they dislike me (this is only on condition that they are not plotting against me behind my back, or, unknown to me, coming closer and closer to firing me, etc) so that I could just get on with my work.

If I myself don't have affectionate feelings for the person, I don't waste time wondering whether or not they genuinely like me.

I think my answer is more of a personal one than an autistic one.
 
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Yeah, I would want to know and get rid of these people in my life. I have no interest in keeping up appearances with someone with whom I can't get along when the feeling isn't mutual. But then again; I usually tell people up front I don't like them, tell them why I don't like them and tell them I'm not interested in having them around. I hate the kind of ambiguity that sometimes comes with it when people are somewhere left in the middle.

I can't say if it's an ASD question as such... well, maybe it is. The more "upfrontness" seems to be something I hear from a lot of people on the spectrum, but I can't imagine there are no lying aspies as such. Just like I couldn't imagine non-autistic folk all being liars with double agendas... some probably are just as upfront.
 
I'd rather know it regardless of the circumstances. If it's someone I have to be close to for work or such, I'd rather they could be civil, but I'm not too bothered by people disliking me ... that is, as long as I don't have any emotion towards them. I suppose I'd be hurt if it was someone I really cared for, but I'd get over it. I always like to know the truth so I can adapt to reality. I really don't know if that's an ASD thing. I always thought it was just a "me" thing.
 
...would you rather know it and adjust your expectations and behavior accordingly? Or would you rather they find a way to at least appear as if they like you, and treat you nicely regardless of what they actually think of you?

When this happened to me, pre-self-diagnosis, post middle-aged-burnout, I didn't know what was going on; depression, paranoia.. Weee!! Neighbour took offence that I'd 'chosen' to give up my own business (doing very well, thank you), to live on benefits, gossiped all over.. I couldn't handle it & ended up moving home to escape it all.
Now, my philosophy is "Love, and do as you will"; I'm always polite, always try a little humour ( maybe that's where I'm going wrong!).. act your best, right? No matter how I feel, I've no business inflicting it on others.
So.. I want to know, but I would also expect others to excercise a modicum of manners in regards to my feelings, as I would to theirs!
I figure that that black and white answer kinda answers in favour of the Autistic in me too.
 
The truth is precious. I'd rather know.

For instance, I've met people whom it was abundantly clear didn't like any part of me, so I didn't waste my time on them. By way of comparison, there was a woman who for years let me believe she had no problem with me, until one day a mutual friend informed me that "until recently she actually disliked you quite strongly". So much wasted time and energy trying to be friendly to her. Any amount of time and energy would have been too much, but this had gone on for years, and it totally blindsided me.

I hate not being able to tell. It feels like there has been a threat hanging over me for all those years and I was too dumb to notice. So yeah, anxiety and panic attacks and trying to get that woman and her lying out of my system, that part is ASD. Maybe NTs would have shrugged it off fairly quickly, if they'd managed to get themselves in that situation in the first place.

As to people who don't like me, but who have to be around me anyway: People are fully capable of being nice, polite, or friendly without pretending to be your best friend forever. It's so creepy when people I don't know do that, whether they are waiters, relatives I've barely met before, or just some random person I've just been introduced to.
 
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Or would you rather they find a way to at least appear as if they like you, and treat you nicely regardless of what they actually think of you?

I think I worded this part of my question poorly. Yes, I'm generally nice to people because that's who I am...I don't stop being a nice person when I'm around people who aren't nice or who don't like me or I don't like them (well, usually). My identity is defined by who I am, not who they are.

That said...

There's a level of "niceness" that implies people like you and want to spend time with you and want to know more about you. So if someone doesn't actually like me...do I want that person to act like they enjoy me, or would I prefer knowing they don't like me so neither of us has to waste any effort pretending there's more to the relationship than there really is?

The truth is precious. I'd rather know.

I think this is what it boils down to for me. It's not an excuse for me to hate the other person--I may even like them still. But to know they don't like me, to drop the pretense and just be polite, would be much more satisfying and "safe" for me than thinking they like me when they don't.

And I guess that's what I tend to offer other people, but it offends them. I can be polite, but I don't have to like you, and that's okay. I won't dishonor you or stab you in the back or speak poorly of you--I'll treat you with the respect that most human beings should receive. But I won't lead you on into thinking that I want to have a closer relationship with you when I don't.

And yet, this is just a revelation in progress for me, not the behavior I actually accept from myself. It's been so deeply drilled into my brain (from my parents and then by myself) that I'm supposed to like everyone so that they'll like me. And part of me is still adamant that I should be able to find something to appreciate about each person around me so that I can pursue a deeper relationship with everyone who is willing. I believe each person has inherent value. But am I obligated to like everyone because of this fact that I believe?
 
It depends. If it was someone who I care for, then yes I would want to know so that I could make a effort to better the situation. Everybody else, I don't really care. I don't think this is autistic in nature, I think it's just because I'm a grumpy, old man.
 
1.)Hmm, if it was someone in my personal life, I would rather know it.

2.)If it was a boss or coworker, I would rather that they would appear as if they like me (but only on condition that they are not plotting against me behind my back, or, unknown to me, coming closer and closer to firing me, etc) so that I could just get on with my work.

If I myself don't have affectionate feelings for the person, I don't waste time wondering whether or not they genuinely like me.

I think my answer is more of a personal one than an autistic one.
In explanation of my answer as regards bosses and coworkers: I've worked in jobs where I sensed that boss and/or coworkers disliked me. This put me in a constant state of mild fear. This interfered with me communicating in the necessary way with my boss, interfered with me seeking help in the performance of difficult job duties when I needed such help, and resulted in me losing two jobs.
As a result, I would rather be ignorant, because then I could focus on my work, and maybe earn that my boss and coworkers think well of me professionally, even if they still don't think much of me on a personal level.
Oh, and in clarification, I don't actually want them to appear as if they like me: I just want them to act professionally and not show their dislike.
 
1) I would like to know if someone (who I'm close to) disliked me. There is always a possibility to dissolve the issues if there is one which caused the dislike, but if it's "general" , I would just stay away from that person as much as possible.

2) If it was someone I have to work with in my daily life, and I would probably expect them to behave in a professional way and keep civil when needed. There has been times when I have confronted co-workers, directly asking them " Do you have a problem with me or what's the matter? " That has actually been quite "effective" either they shape up the act, or stay away.

Apart from that, I don't really care if people whom I don't care for dislike me or not.
 
I absolutely would like to know if someone disliked me. I would settle for someone who doesn't like me just not acting like we're cool at all though. I remember one girl from elementary school all the way through high school who was okay with me in elementary school and then one day in elementary school that "okay" turned into "I hate that kid". To this day, I'm not exactly sure what I did if anything to cause that change. She never said another word to me directly (For some reason we kept ending up in a class together), but again in middle school the teacher was going to move her next to me and she flipped out and said "Don't put me next to that kid".

For me, if I know that I make someone uncomfortable or they don't like me, I'm not going to try to make them change their mind. I will just let them go on their way.
 
The more "upfrontness" seems to be something I hear from a lot of people on the spectrum, but I can't imagine there are no lying aspies as such. Just like I couldn't imagine non-autistic folk all being liars with double agendas... some probably are just as upfront.

Couldn't you say that about every aspie trait, though? So could this still be a typical aspie trait, even though there are exceptions on both sides? Just curious...
 
Couldn't you say that about every aspie trait, though? So could this still be a typical aspie trait, even though there are exceptions on both sides? Just curious...

You could, and that's why I'm slightly hesitant about a fair share of "traits", especially considering I've been dealing with mostly aspies or potential ones throughout my life and while they're obviously on the spectrum, they're not really similar based on "stereotypical" traits... unless you generalize really broad. And I'm not sure if generalisation is the best tool to define an aspie.

The common denominator they all have how their brain works in terms of putting information together. That in itself seems quite a lot like an aspie mindset (and perhaps a certain trait). I mean, plenty of things like social anxiety, while present in a group of aspies are often a result of certain things. It's the inability to understand certain things, and similarly, the ability to make sense out of the most abstract strings of information.

Earlier today someone on another aspie forum posted something that can probably be mentioned here as more of an explanation.

Someone had a topic going on Oxytocin and how it could be a treatment for autism since it would increase empathy. Don't ask me the exact specifics and how much of it is true, just bear with me on the following.

Someone else responded in pointing out that even if it were true, being more empathic, it doesn't mean that we would recognize it. It might lead to excessive reciprocal responses that have little to do with showing genuine empathy since we'd still have no clue when it would be appropriate.

I mean, empathy often is mentioned as a problematic area for people on the spectrum, but is it empathy itself that's the problem? Or the way your brain tries to make sense of it and apply it in a practical sense.

And that's how I feel, at least with my friends, how their brain works. None of them have social anxiety in forms I sometimes read upon on this forum.
 
...would you rather know it and adjust your expectations and behavior accordingly? Or would you rather they find a way to at least appear as if they like you, and treat you nicely regardless of what they actually think of you?

And follow-up question...

Do you think your response to this question is uniquely autistic in nature? Or is it more of a personal thing that could be just as likely an NT's attitude as well?

I prefer to know whether a person likes me or not, although, my instincts are pretty good. In the distant past I used to worry about being liked a great deal, mostly because I was bullied and ostracised. I thought there was something wrong with me, so I'd change to meet new situations. However, that nearly gave me a breakdown.

Now I live according to the quote at the bottom of my page, 'Do not get confused between my personality and my attitude. My personality is caused by who I am, whereas my attitude is caused by who you are.'

I'm not saying my way is right, it has gotten me fired and lost me friends but it has also stopped people dumping on me because they think it's funny.

Is it unique to aspies? I doubt it.
 
You could, and that's why I'm slightly hesitant about a fair share of "traits", especially considering I've been dealing with mostly aspies or potential ones throughout my life and while they're obviously on the spectrum, they're not really similar based on "stereotypical" traits... unless you generalize really broad. And I'm not sure if generalisation is the best tool to define an aspie.

The common denominator they all have how their brain works in terms of putting information together.

Yes, I see what you're saying. A particular pattern of behavior isn't really useful being labeled as an "aspie trait" (even if it's common among aspies) unless it helps to distinguish aspie from non-aspie. Right?

So maybe the disconnect I'm experiencing isn't so much an issue of "what I want for myself" (as an aspie) vs. "what others want for themselves" (as non-aspies)...

...rather, it might be more of an issue of "what I want for myself" (as an aspie) vs. "what I perceive that others want for themselves" (which relies on and is limited by my warped perception of what their perspective is).

Interesting.

For me, a lot of this is even harder to straighten out in my head because it seems that the expectations I was raised under aren't "aspie" or "(a healthy version of) NT". My family is so dysfunctional and codependent that it confuses the algorithms I'm using to figure things out, and I have to look outside my family for examples of functional social standards. And then everything I perceive comes through both the codependent and the aspie filters before I can start to work with the data.

No wonder I have so few relationships that are "working" right now, and even most of those are questionable on some level or another. This is frustrating.
 
1.)Hmm, if it was someone in my personal life, I would rather know it.

2.)If it was a boss or coworker, I would rather that they treat me courteously: I don't have to know if they dislike me (this is only on condition that they are not plotting against me behind my back, or, unknown to me, coming closer and closer to firing me, etc) so that I could just get on with my work.

If I myself don't have affectionate feelings for the person, I don't waste time wondering whether or not they genuinely like me.

I think my answer is more of a personal one than an autistic one.

This is me, too. If it's someone I have to deal with, like it or not, I just want them to treat me decently. I don't care whether they like me or not, as long as they're civil. I do my best to be nice, too, even if I can't stand them.

If we're talking about a friend or someone I'd like to have as a friend, I'd rather know that they're not interested in friendship because I only have so much energy to invest in people and I don't want to waste it on someone who doesn't appreciate it.

I think it's more of a personality thing than anything. I know some very extroverted people who really don't care whether people like them or not, they like people, so they're going to at least attempt to befriend everyone and being disliked doesn't slow them down at all.
 
I would rather I know so at least I know where they stand. In the past, it bothered me if someone did not like me. I would wonder what I did wrong, and how I could "improve". Now, it does not affect me. Everyone is not going to be my friend. People will dislike you for silly reasons or no reason at all (which does not make any sense to me). But even if someone does not like me, manners do go a long way. It does not cost anything to be respectful. I treat them with respect and manners, as well.

I believe it is a combination of my personality and being Aspie that make me feel this way.
 
I don't care if somebody loves or hates me, but they'd better do their job and also show me some common decency and courtesy. It's not a sign of liking somebody to not trash the office before a shift change, but it is a sign of politeness and good work ethic.

With family, I prefer to know where they stand because the politics are drastically different and I need to know how to deal with the people I'm involved with. It's a lot more delicate in families than in work families...
 
I'd want to know if someone didn't like me, because then I'd go out of my way to be sickeningly nice to them for my own personal amusement.
 

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