Is it common to have Oppositional defiant traits with Asperger's without having the full blown disorder?

[The Autistic girl]

I have angry mood and angry outbursts on myself like hand biting.

 

[Aspychata]

I have met somebody with this, l have dealt with it, but can usually talk myself thru it about 69% of the time, to not be defiant. Sorry that it affects you in such a negative way. Have you tried to incorporate a stim in place like chewing gum, spinning yourself or maybe squeezing something until the feeling passes, like behavior modification?

 

[Crossbreed]

I have angry mood and angry outbursts on myself like hand biting.

Why do you take that to be ODD rather than anxiety?

 

[Rodafina]

https://www.lanc.org.uk/related-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/

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Description of ODD in adults:

https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-adults/

 

[lovely_darlingprettybaby]

I have angry mood and angry outbursts on myself like hand biting.

Yes I know how you feel sometimes you do not want to be ODD but u are anyway and it happens by accident
Because u do not understand something
And well if u do not understand u do not, no one should be forced to be abused on something when they are not enjoying it

 

[tazz]

I have angry mood and angry outbursts on myself like hand biting.

I do something similar.

I'm still trying to figure it all out.
I think it's when I'm overwhelmed with sensory input and social interaction.
Which eventually leads to difficulty talking and understanding people.
If I can't get away from that situation I explode and have an angry outburst: I shout at people and hit or bite myself.

When I get to the point that I'm overwhelmed, I lose self-control.

I never heard of ODD before. I don't think that matches my situation very well.

I'm trying to find early warning signs that I'm becoming overwhelmed so I can take measures to calm down again before I have the angry outburst or hurt myself. I think when I have trouble focusing and stringing a sentence together that's a useful indicator. As I say, I'm still learning and figuring all this out.

 

[Misty Avich]

I do dislike rules and I only follow rules that come naturally, such as social rules and abiding by the law. Rules like health and safety and political correctness just throw me and I get stressed or pissed off if people keep going on about them.
I often know what I'm doing and I'm not physically clumsy, I can picture in my mind how safe a task is going to be and how to be careful while I'm performing the task if it's against health and safety, and as a result I have never broken a bone in my life. If something really looks like a threat (which I can easily tell) then I wimp out completely.
I don't need silly rules and people telling me what to do. I wouldn't put other people in danger though.

A lot of people (particularly autistic people) don't see the difference between political correctness and respect, but I do. While the two can overlap and even be synonymous in some contexts, other times they are completely different things. Political correctness are rules, while respect is more personal. Someone can mock women, for example, and I'd just let it wash over me, but if someone called me a direct insult or criticism then I'd be offended, probably due to humiliation more than anything.
I respect people mostly, but I don't see respect as a rule to follow or argue with. Respect comes from within and takes little effort. However, when people keep going on about respect but don't think their personal opinions hold any respect or value, then I'll stop showing all respect for them.

 

[Judge]

If anything I'd say that conditions like ODD are more likely to be akin to comorbid considerations of autism, but not autism directly.

* Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
* Anxiety Disorders
* Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
* Learning Difficulties
* Forms of Depression
* Impulse Control Disorders
* Conduct Disorder

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9905-oppositional-defiant-disorder

 

[The Autistic girl]

If anything I'd say that conditions like ODD are more likely to be akin to comorbid considerations of autism, but not autism directly.

* Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
* Anxiety Disorders
* Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
* Learning Difficulties
* Forms of Depression
* Impulse Control Disorders
* Conduct Disorder

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9905-oppositional-defiant-disorder

It's probably due to my generalized anxiety disorder more so then odd

 

[Misty Avich]

Don't some symptoms of ODD overlap with normal ADHD symptoms? I think to be diagnosed with ODD you have to be extremely defiant to rules and authority figures enough for it to be a problem for you and for others around you. If you turn it into a spectrum with mild, moderate and severe, then it's hard to know whether you have the disorder or not, or if it's just part of ADHD, autism, anxiety, PTSD, etc.

Sometimes I feel like a hypochondriac and worry that I have every disorder under the sun. Now personality disorder has been suggested to me (by non-doctors or non-therapists) because of my RSD, which I always read is a common trait of ADHD.
Then I was branded a narcissist, which totally freaked me out and made me hate myself even more.

It seems a trait or a symptom of everything has its own disorder and that said disorder overlaps with other disorders, and I just imagine as all disorders merged together so tightly that you don't know where to differentiate between them.

 

[Outdated]

I do dislike rules and I only follow rules that come naturally, such as social rules and abiding by the law. Rules like health and safety and political correctness just throw me and I get stressed or pissed off if people keep going on about them.
I often know what I'm doing and I'm not physically clumsy, I can picture in my mind how safe a task is going to be and how to be careful while I'm performing the task if it's against health and safety, and as a result I have never broken a bone in my life. If something really looks like a threat (which I can easily tell) then I wimp out completely.
I don't need silly rules and people telling me what to do. I wouldn't put other people in danger though.

I understand exactly what you're talking about here, and for about a decade I lived in a very remote community where people depended on each other and simple common ethics and morality came ahead of the written law. It was a nice refreshing change. It didn't last forever though, nothing ever does. The introduction of electricity, bitumen roads and bridges over the creeks changed everything.

 

[Misty Avich]

I find that things like common ethics and morality makes more sense than actual rules, because most rules such as health and safety and political correctness, are made by people in power and it's usually centered around money or politics, not people's wellbeing or compassion.
I like moral rules like "be kind", etc, but rules where only people of certain beliefs get to make noise while people who have other viewpoints must be silenced even if what they say isn't harmful or offending.

I don't get myself sometimes though lol. When I started school apparently I didn't like the rules and routine the school had in place, but I also disliked making choices and needed the teacher to make a choice for me. But I was only 4 then so what logic does a 4-year-old have? lol

 

[Outdated]

but I also disliked making choices and needed the teacher to make a choice for me.

I was quite the opposite here, I didn't tell people "I want", I told them exactly what the future would entail.

 

[Misty Avich]

I was quite the opposite here, I didn't tell people "I want", I told them exactly what the future would entail.

I read that a lot of autistic children prefer to be given a choice because it makes them less anxious, but a lot of children with ADHD are more likely to stress out when being given a choice.
I grew out of it though after about 6 years of age and seemed more capable of making my own choices.

 

[Outdated]

I grew out of it though after about 6 years of age and seemed more capable of making my own choices.

I didn't grow out of it. I've always been pretty decisive and rarely doubt myself. It's probably influenced by autism but I think it's more just my character, a part of who I am. My sister and brother are both the same.