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I've been having bad thoughts...

ProfessorOptics

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Very bad thoughts... Like, i just want to give up... I know where i want to go in life, and what i want to do, but I struggle to figure out how to get there. I also have PDA, which makes things even tougher. Yet, I wonder how much of all this is genuinely due to being on the spectrum.

Anyway, I live at home with my parents, at 28, which feels wrong. I watch my brother, friends and other family members get on with their lives, finding their partners, having jobs, and i feel inadequate. My psychologist tries to get me to follow a routine, but routines don't work for me. After awhile I feel too constrained, and the demand of having to keep up this set routine every hour becomes overwhelming. I settle for just playing games, because it's an easier choice. But the harder choices just get far too overwhelming.

I don't drive. Too much anxiety. So getting to and from a job is challenging enough as it is. Then dealing with people on a constant basis. I'm fine with people, i just get really tired after awhile. And sadly, public transport in my country is there, but pretty non existent and not safe. 6 people got thrown off the train a few weeks ago, just for being there... and well, for being caucasion. anyway, that's besides the point. So there is no way to get to and from work without depending on friends/family, but they have their own stuff going on, so i can't expect them to just drive me everywhere. Besides, they do so much for me already without me adding this extra burden.

Regarding goals, for awhile i can stick with doing what needs to be done. The out of nowhere, i come face to face with a problem i don't know how to solve. I panic, i freeze, and i get overwhelmed because i don't know how to solve this problem. I go back to just playing games. And it's a constant cycle that plagues me, and leads me nowhere. i don't know how to break it, or where to even begin... It all gets so overwhelming, and all i want to do right now is give up completely. Dig a hole somewhere and bury myself.
 
Alright, a few things:

Firstly, it really doesnt matter just where you live at what age. Whether you're in your own place or your parents or rooming with a friend... whatever. The only reason that's even occurring to you is because society... which is typically rather braindead as a whole... has drilled it into your mind. I'm 36. And I'm still with my father & stepmother. And.... yeah, that's fine. Why shouldnt it be? Because some other people do it differently, or think differently? You cant let yourself be controlled by the thoughts and behaviors of others when it comes to things like this. I promise you, trying to do something JUST because others seem to want to do it is likely to not end well. ALOT of people do exactly that, and then later end up wondering why they end up in a depressed, messed up state.

Second: Routines. Yeah, honestly, routines dont work for me either. I know alot of people on the spectrum need it, but... it's not a universal trait. It sounds like you could do with something a bit more dynamic, really. The problem, of course, is your lack of being able to get around...

Which brings me to the driving. Now, I dont know where you live. But I can tell you this: in an overall sense, it's ABSOLUTELY worth defeating that anxiety in order to learn to drive. Alot of people will have anxiety over it. You'd be surprised, at just how many go through that. But the sheer freedom it gives you is sooooooo worth it. I mentioned that routines dont work for me either, right, and one of the reasons why I can get by on a day to day basis is that I have my van, and can simply go anywhere. I dont need to stick to the same bloody place every day. I can choose to go somewhere different every day if I want, and that helps alot. And indeed, public transport would not work (frankly, public transport is going to suck in ANY country, at least from what I've seen of it... couldnt freaking pay me to do it, that's for sure....). So, van it is. Now, here's the question: Have you ever TRIED it? I dont mean driving at some ridiculous speed on a freeway. I mean..... anything. Nobody starts with the complicated stuff (or at least, they shouldnt). The way I learned it (and the way alot of people seem to do it) was to start in a blank parking lot with nobody in it, and just sort of roll around that a whole bunch. It gives you a totally safe place in which to learn the controls. And I tell you, *alot* of the anxiety goes away once you feel like you have proper control. I tend to think alot of that type of anxiety is possibly due to the feeling of not having control... and it makes sense that such a feeling is there when someone is new to it. But yeah, that becomes muuuuuch easier, when you start slowly like that. You start in an easy place, you take it slowly, and you dont try to schedule the hell out of it (like, you dont go "Okay I need to be able to handle tollways by Tuesday" or some crap like that).

But even if you dont end up driving... hey, that's okay too. There's still plenty of people that dont, even among those that dont have any sort of disability and that arent on the spectrum. There's nothing inherantly wrong with it, and there's plenty of options for dealing with it (though it can be hard to figure out just what those are). Not driving doesnt make you defective or something.

Now, as for that last bit... I sorta know what you're saying with that one. What sorts of problems are you speaking of, that you cant handle? And I'll ask something else. Okay, you play games, right (so do I, actually, it's my main hobby/interest). What happens when you encounter something, in a game, that you just cant quite figure out or defeat? What goes through your mind in that situation?
 
Alright, a few things:

Firstly, it really doesnt matter just where you live at what age. Whether you're in your own place or your parents or rooming with a friend... whatever. The only reason that's even occurring to you is because society... which is typically rather braindead as a whole... has drilled it into your mind. I'm 36. And I'm still with my father & stepmother. And.... yeah, that's fine. Why shouldnt it be? Because some other people do it differently, or think differently? You cant let yourself be controlled by the thoughts and behaviors of others when it comes to things like this. I promise you, trying to do something JUST because others seem to want to do it is likely to not end well. ALOT of people do exactly that, and then later end up wondering why they end up in a depressed, messed up state.

Thank you... it's still hard to push through that. My therapist said it's hardest because I'm watching my friends and family go out, get girls, work, etc. and i'm watching from the other side of the fence, which me feel useless as a human being.

Second: Routines. Yeah, honestly, routines dont work for me either. I know alot of people on the spectrum need it, but... it's not a universal trait. It sounds like you could do with something a bit more dynamic, really. The problem, of course, is your lack of being able to get around...

Yea, routines only cause me more anxiety. lol so i end up not following them. Which in turn, plays to this whole cycle of feeling useless as a human being.

Which brings me to the driving. Now, I dont know where you live. But I can tell you this: in an overall sense, it's ABSOLUTELY worth defeating that anxiety in order to learn to drive. Alot of people will have anxiety over it. You'd be surprised, at just how many go through that. But the sheer freedom it gives you is sooooooo worth it. I mentioned that routines dont work for me either, right, and one of the reasons why I can get by on a day to day basis is that I have my van, and can simply go anywhere. I dont need to stick to the same bloody place every day. I can choose to go somewhere different every day if I want, and that helps alot. And indeed, public transport would not work (frankly, public transport is going to suck in ANY country, at least from what I've seen of it... couldnt freaking pay me to do it, that's for sure....). So, van it is. Now, here's the question: Have you ever TRIED it? I dont mean driving at some ridiculous speed on a freeway. I mean..... anything. Nobody starts with the complicated stuff (or at least, they shouldnt). The way I learned it (and the way alot of people seem to do it) was to start in a blank parking lot with nobody in it, and just sort of roll around that a whole bunch. It gives you a totally safe place in which to learn the controls. And I tell you, *alot* of the anxiety goes away once you feel like you have proper control. I tend to think alot of that type of anxiety is possibly due to the feeling of not having control... and it makes sense that such a feeling is there when someone is new to it. But yeah, that becomes muuuuuch easier, when you start slowly like that. You start in an easy place, you take it slowly, and you dont try to schedule the hell out of it (like, you dont go "Okay I need to be able to handle tollways by Tuesday" or some crap like that).

But even if you dont end up driving... hey, that's okay too. There's still plenty of people that dont, even among those that dont have any sort of disability and that arent on the spectrum. There's nothing inherantly wrong with it, and there's plenty of options for dealing with it (though it can be hard to figure out just what those are). Not driving doesnt make you defective or something.

I can drive, and have driven many times. I even own a motorcycle. I don't ride it any more because it causes so much anxiety, and that anxiety builds up and before i know it, it hits me hard. Plus, i've had a few too many close calls that have really set me over the edge.

Now, as for that last bit... I sorta know what you're saying with that one. What sorts of problems are you speaking of, that you cant handle? And I'll ask something else. Okay, you play games, right (so do I, actually, it's my main hobby/interest). What happens when you encounter something, in a game, that you just cant quite figure out or defeat? What goes through your mind in that situation?

My interest is in game development. I love coding and making something that plays to an idea and can bring joy to others. Then i come face to face with a problem in my code, or with the design of the game. I don't know how to resolve it, and i panic, and i think that because i can't solve this one issue, that i will never solve it or any other.

I games, solving problems is so much simpler. And if i cannot solve a problem in the game, i usually just get frustrated and leave it for a long while.
 
Okay, gonna respond to some of the things you've said here:

"Thank you... it's still hard to push through that. My therapist said it's hardest because I'm watching my friends and family go out, get girls, work, etc. and i'm watching from the other side of the fence, which me feel useless as a human being."

Ya know, there's an old saying: "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence". This may sound cliche, but in my experience, it's 100% true. Here's the thing: What makes you think that following in their footsteps will actually be any better, or even any good at all? The problem with looking at things this way is you're only seeing the IDEA of the positive aspects of these activities. Positive aspects that, very often, dont actually appear. I've had experience with this one myself (as have many others on this site). Let's say, the idea of going out to "social" places, for instance. Never quite what it's cracked up to be. Apparently, being "social" actually just means "drinking and making an idiot of yourself" in the NT world. Seriously, that's the ONLY thing I ever see people doing at most social events. I tired of it IMMEDIATELY. I cant even be around people that do that because it's THAT bloody annoying. And I never drink myself, as I dont see any reason to consume what is effectively a potion of stupidity. And another similar aspect is the idea of making "lots of friends". Yeah, this often isnt what it seems to be. For whatever reason, ALOT of friendships are... fake, to put it simply. The sorts of things you see in social media. People hang around one another not because they genuinely like or care about each other, but because doing so lets them fit in. More specifically, lets them fit in to a group of people they may not even like (because THAT is totally logical and sensible). If you pay attention, you can outright watch people doing this.

And then there's work. Work is a practical thing, and nothing more. If you NEED the money? Well, that's when you work. If you dont NEED the money? I can tell you: that's when it's a waste of bloody time. Society says that working is the only way to contribute anything, but that's a load of horse apples if I ever heard it. I dunno about you, but I dont think working as a Walmart greeter or cashier is "contributing". Hell, a freaking machine usually does the job better. There are other ways to contribute and do stuff. For example, taking up a creative hobby. Make art, compose music, make funny videos for people to watch... these are all things that can make someone's day better, and isnt that worth it? The point is: If you want to contribute, that's fine, but there's sooooooooo many more (and often outright better) ways of doing it than working some menial job. The fact that most people dont realize this is THEIR problem... not yours. I dont work myself... I dont need the money. Instead, since I'm into gaming and development, I tend to volunteer to help out indie devs in testing and such. And I tell you, it's WAY more rewarding than any proper "job" I've ever had (back when I did used to work).



"Yea, routines only cause me more anxiety. lol so i end up not following them. Which in turn, plays to this whole cycle of feeling useless as a human being."


Here's the thing though: Why would it make you feel more useless? I know this might sound silly, but I often tend to look at this trait as being a sign of someone having a creative mind. Someone like that just doesnt sit well with repeated, scheduled crap. They want to DO things. DIFFERENT things. Alot of it serves as some form of exploration, something most people dont do NEARLY enough of. Someone like that wants real variety in their life. Notice how so very, very many people end up with depression? Well, that's one reason why: Because they get stuck in a rut. The same bloody thing, with no real variance or progression... It's not a healthy thing, but because our idiot society says "it's what you do", well... they freaking do it. Dont just follow the herd. Be yourself instead.


"I can drive, and have driven many times. I even own a motorcycle. I don't ride it any more because it causes so much anxiety, and that anxiety builds up and before i know it, it hits me hard. Plus, i've had a few too many close calls that have really set me over the edge."

I'll be honest here: The motorcycle itself is probably an enormous part of the problem. I look at a motorcycle as one thing: anxiety on wheels. You're riding around in a device that provides literally ZERO protection! None at all! Hell, it could just outright fall over! OF COURSE it's scary! And frankly, foolish! I'm not going to even try to be polite about that one: I genuinely think it's one of the dumbest inventions anyone has ever come up with. Those things cant take an impact... at all. Now, me? I've been in crashes before. One great example of what I'm saying here is an incident I had during highschool. I had this ancient but outright tanky mass of a car, and I was driving home from school. Sitting at a stoplight, and suddenly *WHAM*!!! Followed immediately by a second impact.... I'd been sandwiched between two vehicles. My car, however, being a freaking tank, was outright undamaged (and that car had been specifically chosen BECAUSE it was so tanky). I was unharmed. But if I'd been on a motorcycle? I shudder to think at what the results of THAT would have been. There's no way I would have avoided SERIOUS harm in one of those things. I've been in a couple of other accidents since them (always because of ice, which taught me... just dont drive on ice) and again, was never harmed. But that's because a safe, hardy vehicle was being used.

I understand that driving can be scary, and there's good reason to be cautious. But honestly, if you're driving a vehicle meant to actually be safe... you dont have much to worry about, as long as you're careful and actually follow the rules (many, MANY accidents are caused by NOT following them). Particularly if you take certain precautions (such as driving only on roads that are safe, and avoiding roads that are a mess), you're gonna be fine. I would honestly suggest considering giving it another try at some point... just not on a bloody bike.


"My interest is in game development. I love coding and making something that plays to an idea and can bring joy to others. Then i come face to face with a problem in my code, or with the design of the game. I don't know how to resolve it, and i panic, and i think that because i can't solve this one issue, that i will never solve it or any other.

I games, solving problems is so much simpler. And if i cannot solve a problem in the game, i usually just get frustrated and leave it for a long while."

This brings up one other thing I want to point out: Your attitude. You're looking at this in a defeatist way. I cant do this, I cant handle that, I cant win... that sort of outlook is just going to screw you over, and it will never, ever stop until you change that. ALL of these issues you've mentioned in this post? They're ALL affected by this. Every one of them.

Now I do know game development is hard. I've done it myself... I was contracted to a small developer for awhile, and worked on a game. It was a daunting task. I was given alot of authority on the project and the capacity to make my own decisions instead of being told what to do. It was scary! Me, with a large amount of actual control over the project? Seemed like a horrid idea! But one way or another, it was a genre that I know, so I just bloody did it. And dagnabit, we released the finished game. People liked it. I didnt ruin the project. My part in it came out well. But it only happened that way because I perservered, and refused to give up. I definitely ran into alot of snags in the whole thing. Usually bugs, because screw bugs. But eventually, each bug was squashed, and progress continued.

And honestly? You can do that too. You really, seriously can. But as long as you continue with that low attitude... it aint gonna happen. I promise you that. You're totally shunting your own potential here, in every way. I know this, as I used to do the same thing, once upon a time.


Changing that attitude is probably the most important, most impactful thing you can do. Even if it's in relation to something small. Going up against a tough boss in a game, and it kicks your butt? Dont give in. Say "screw that, I'm going to beat this" and try again. And again. And again. Watch as your skill continues to rise BECAUSE you didnt give up. Eventually, your opponent will fall, and might seem outright easy instead of impossible. And know that if you can do that... you can do other things, too. That's something that gaming has taught me over the many years I've been doing it. But that's only because I refused to give up, and kept saying "I'm *going* to do this... I'm not going to give up".


Sorry if this is a bit rambly, but... giving good advice usually takes quite a few words to really make a difference. Also I'm horrible at being concise.
 
All that stuff you want, with the job, living independently, all those things that make you feel like you don't measure up? How do you know you want those things if you've never had them before? You believe you want them because society tells you that you should want them.

I bought into that, hook-line-and-sinker. I worked like hell to establish a "normal" life with my own place, an active social life, a good job; all that stuff that we're supposed to want. I got that. I achieved that. Did that make me happy? No, I was more miserable than ever in fact.

So you know what I've been doing for the past week? Playing Skyrim, drinking Mountain Dew, and celebrating the fact that I no longer have a need to own a cell phone. I'm actually not even sure what day it is. And you know what? I am so freaking happy.

My point is that you don't need any of that stuff you think you need in order to be happy, all you need is a willingness to meet yourself where you're at and be happy with that.
 
Okay, gonna respond to some of the things you've said here:

Ya know, there's an old saying: "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence". This may sound cliche, but in my experience, it's 100% true. Here's the thing: What makes you think that following in their footsteps will actually be any better, or even any good at all? The problem with looking at things this way is you're only seeing the IDEA of the positive aspects of these activities. Positive aspects that, very often, dont actually appear. I've had experience with this one myself (as have many others on this site). Let's say, the idea of going out to "social" places, for instance. Never quite what it's cracked up to be. Apparently, being "social" actually just means "drinking and making an idiot of yourself" in the NT world. Seriously, that's the ONLY thing I ever see people doing at most social events. I tired of it IMMEDIATELY. I cant even be around people that do that because it's THAT bloody annoying. And I never drink myself, as I dont see any reason to consume what is effectively a potion of stupidity. And another similar aspect is the idea of making "lots of friends". Yeah, this often isnt what it seems to be. For whatever reason, ALOT of friendships are... fake, to put it simply. The sorts of things you see in social media. People hang around one another not because they genuinely like or care about each other, but because doing so lets them fit in. More specifically, lets them fit in to a group of people they may not even like (because THAT is totally logical and sensible). If you pay attention, you can outright watch people doing this.

Yea, i get that. I don't like going out drinking much anyway. Much more prefer to stay at home and play games. Though i won't deny that i enjoy a nice beer or whiskey once in awhile. I don't need a lot of friends. Never have. i just want that one that is always there, pays attention to you, and you can form a connection that's more than just skin deep. Sadly, adult friendships are so much more different to childhood friendships. Adults have their own stuff going on, and can't make as much time for you as they once did. I guess this is why i'm in search of a life partner, maybe they'll help fill that gap.

And then there's work. Work is a practical thing, and nothing more. If you NEED the money? Well, that's when you work. If you dont NEED the money? I can tell you: that's when it's a waste of bloody time. Society says that working is the only way to contribute anything, but that's a load of horse apples if I ever heard it. I dunno about you, but I dont think working as a Walmart greeter or cashier is "contributing". Hell, a freaking machine usually does the job better. There are other ways to contribute and do stuff. For example, taking up a creative hobby. Make art, compose music, make funny videos for people to watch... these are all things that can make someone's day better, and isnt that worth it? The point is: If you want to contribute, that's fine, but there's sooooooooo many more (and often outright better) ways of doing it than working some menial job. The fact that most people dont realize this is THEIR problem... not yours. I dont work myself... I dont need the money. Instead, since I'm into gaming and development, I tend to volunteer to help out indie devs in testing and such. And I tell you, it's WAY more rewarding than any proper "job" I've ever had (back when I did used to work).

I totally agree... you know the 40 hour work week was an idea implemented by ford to "coax" people into buying their cars. lol I don't need money, i just hate it when i go out with friends and they keep offering me drinks, when i know i can't pay for it myself.

Here's the thing though: Why would it make you feel more useless? I know this might sound silly, but I often tend to look at this trait as being a sign of someone having a creative mind. Someone like that just doesnt sit well with repeated, scheduled crap. They want to DO things. DIFFERENT things. Alot of it serves as some form of exploration, something most people dont do NEARLY enough of. Someone like that wants real variety in their life. Notice how so very, very many people end up with depression? Well, that's one reason why: Because they get stuck in a rut. The same bloody thing, with no real variance or progression... It's not a healthy thing, but because our idiot society says "it's what you do", well... they freaking do it. Dont just follow the herd. Be yourself instead.

I feel useless, because it feels like I'm unable to stick to something. I am creatively oriented: play music, compose music (at least i used to), build ideas for games, books, and some times i dabble in art.

I'll be honest here: The motorcycle itself is probably an enormous part of the problem. I look at a motorcycle as one thing: anxiety on wheels. You're riding around in a device that provides literally ZERO protection! None at all! Hell, it could just outright fall over! OF COURSE it's scary! And frankly, foolish! I'm not going to even try to be polite about that one: I genuinely think it's one of the dumbest inventions anyone has ever come up with. Those things cant take an impact... at all. Now, me? I've been in crashes before. One great example of what I'm saying here is an incident I had during highschool. I had this ancient but outright tanky mass of a car, and I was driving home from school. Sitting at a stoplight, and suddenly *WHAM*!!! Followed immediately by a second impact.... I'd been sandwiched between two vehicles. My car, however, being a freaking tank, was outright undamaged (and that car had been specifically chosen BECAUSE it was so tanky). I was unharmed. But if I'd been on a motorcycle? I shudder to think at what the results of THAT would have been. There's no way I would have avoided SERIOUS harm in one of those things. I've been in a couple of other accidents since them (always because of ice, which taught me... just dont drive on ice) and again, was never harmed. But that's because a safe, hardy vehicle was being used.

haha my response to "you can fall off a bike" is that that is the reason we ride them in the first place. it adds a different element to commuting. Plus, you don't get held up in traffic because you can just whizz between the cars, unless they're idiots that take up the whole road.

I understand that driving can be scary, and there's good reason to be cautious. But honestly, if you're driving a vehicle meant to actually be safe... you dont have much to worry about, as long as you're careful and actually follow the rules (many, MANY accidents are caused by NOT following them). Particularly if you take certain precautions (such as driving only on roads that are safe, and avoiding roads that are a mess), you're gonna be fine. I would honestly suggest considering giving it another try at some point... just not on a bloody bike.

It's not just the driving. i've failed my exams 3 times now, and not because of bad driving. Because i get so anxious, everything i know just flies out the window. though, after seeing my therapist today, shaving my beard off and working a step at a time to sort myself out, I'm going to try and get my license again. just my drivers, not a bike license. Sold my bike to my step dad lol to bring in a bit of cash each month while he pays it off.

This brings up one other thing I want to point out: Your attitude. You're looking at this in a defeatist way. I cant do this, I cant handle that, I cant win... that sort of outlook is just going to screw you over, and it will never, ever stop until you change that. ALL of these issues you've mentioned in this post? They're ALL affected by this. Every one of them.

It's not just that, I was diagnosed with PDA as well. so that kicks in and it just gets a bit too much. I really want to overcome it, i just don't know how. I even try planning my game out in detail on paper before I work on a prototype. Until i get stuck, my head goes blank, I get anxious, nervous and panicky, and all that just overwhelms me.
 
Now I do know game development is hard. I've done it myself... I was contracted to a small developer for awhile, and worked on a game. It was a daunting task. I was given alot of authority on the project and the capacity to make my own decisions instead of being told what to do. It was scary! Me, with a large amount of actual control over the project? Seemed like a horrid idea! But one way or another, it was a genre that I know, so I just bloody did it. And dagnabit, we released the finished game. People liked it. I didnt ruin the project. My part in it came out well. But it only happened that way because I perservered, and refused to give up. I definitely ran into alot of snags in the whole thing. Usually bugs, because screw bugs. But eventually, each bug was squashed, and progress continued.

And honestly? You can do that too. You really, seriously can. But as long as you continue with that low attitude... it aint gonna happen. I promise you that. You're totally shunting your own potential here, in every way. I know this, as I used to do the same thing, once upon a time.

Changing that attitude is probably the most important, most impactful thing you can do. Even if it's in relation to something small. Going up against a tough boss in a game, and it kicks your butt? Dont give in. Say "screw that, I'm going to beat this" and try again. And again. And again. Watch as your skill continues to rise BECAUSE you didnt give up. Eventually, your opponent will fall, and might seem outright easy instead of impossible. And know that if you can do that... you can do other things, too. That's something that gaming has taught me over the many years I've been doing it. But that's only because I refused to give up, and kept saying "I'm *going* to do this... I'm not going to give up".
I really don't want to give up. but refer to my previous point. I'll sit on the problem for days, researching asking on forums, discord channels etc. Then the demand of it just gets to me, and well, that's when i stop. I'll try and share a video of a game i was working on. designed the artwork myself as well as coded all of it myself

Sorry if this is a bit rambly, but... giving good advice usually takes quite a few words to really make a difference. Also I'm horrible at being concise.
don't have to worry about being rambly with me bro... Should hear me talk about a topic I love. Once kept a girl from going to the bathroom because I talked so much lol
 
All that stuff you want, with the job, living independently, all those things that make you feel like you don't measure up? How do you know you want those things if you've never had them before? You believe you want them because society tells you that you should want them.

I bought into that, hook-line-and-sinker. I worked like hell to establish a "normal" life with my own place, an active social life, a good job; all that stuff that we're supposed to want. I got that. I achieved that. Did that make me happy? No, I was more miserable than ever in fact.

So you know what I've been doing for the past week? Playing Skyrim, drinking Mountain Dew, and celebrating the fact that I no longer have a need to own a cell phone. I'm actually not even sure what day it is. And you know what? I am so freaking happy.

My point is that you don't need any of that stuff you think you need in order to be happy, all you need is a willingness to meet yourself where you're at and be happy with that.

I know. I get that. Still, i feel as though something is missing, and i can't quite work out what it is. lol
 
Many of us went through similar doubts to yourself in our twenties, there's nothing unusual about that, but like the other guys have said, you're being too hard on yourself and being needlessly fatalistic.
I'm nearly twice your age and I tried to fit in and achieve most of the things you think you are missing out on. Many of them I DID achieve and turned my back on them because they didn't fulfill me like I had been lead to expect.
I was 35 when I met the woman who is now my wife and I managed to get myself a whole lot of hurt in failed relationships along the way. I tried the whole career thing, rising up the ladder until I realised I just couldn't keep up the falsehood any longer. Being the boss just means you have a bigger boss making life a misery for you. I tried being part of the social whirl, going out to bars and clubs, hating the noise and commotion, but hating the shallow relationships and insincerity even more.
Now I'm content with my wife, my cat, my modest home and an average job which pays my bills. No circle of friends to worry about, no kids, just the freedom to indulge my creativity in my spare time, and chill out in front of the TV with a cup of tea and a loving wife. Whatever my parents, teachers, counsellors, TV and papers told me I should want in life, very little of it was needed for me to find peace with myself, and striving for it brought me pain and aggravation I could have avoided had I known then what I do now.
Learn to know yourself, try to work out what YOU really want in life, then go for it one step at a time. You never know, you might get there faster and with less false steps than I did :)
 
Many of us went through similar doubts to yourself in our twenties, there's nothing unusual about that, but like the other guys have said, you're being too hard on yourself and being needlessly fatalistic.
I'm nearly twice your age and I tried to fit in and achieve most of the things you think you are missing out on. Many of them I DID achieve and turned my back on them because they didn't fulfill me like I had been lead to expect.
I was 35 when I met the woman who is now my wife and I managed to get myself a whole lot of hurt in failed relationships along the way. I tried the whole career thing, rising up the ladder until I realised I just couldn't keep up the falsehood any longer. Being the boss just means you have a bigger boss making life a misery for you. I tried being part of the social whirl, going out to bars and clubs, hating the noise and commotion, but hating the shallow relationships and insincerity even more.
Now I'm content with my wife, my cat, my modest home and an average job which pays my bills. No circle of friends to worry about, no kids, just the freedom to indulge my creativity in my spare time, and chill out in front of the TV with a cup of tea and a loving wife. Whatever my parents, teachers, counsellors, TV and papers told me I should want in life, very little of it was needed for me to find peace with myself, and striving for it brought me pain and aggravation I could have avoided had I known then what I do now.
Learn to know yourself, try to work out what YOU really want in life, then go for it one step at a time. You never know, you might get there faster and with less false steps than I did :)

Oh, how much i'd love that. I know what I want... i just don't know how to get there, and patience with things i want, is not my forte.
 
patience with things i want, is not my forte.

But it's a valuable skill, and better to make as a choice than to have it forced upon you by repeated failure and heartache :)
You want to be happy - I want you to be happy, but I can see you on these pages torturing yourself over things you can't change. The one thing you CAN change is yourself and your attitude to things.
 
But it's a valuable skill, and better to make as a choice than to have it forced upon you by repeated failure and heartache :)
You want to be happy - I want you to be happy, but I can see you on these pages torturing yourself over things you can't change. The one thing you CAN change is yourself and your attitude to things.

I know. it's just never been my strong suite. I wish i knew how to develop that kind of patience, would really help me tremendously.

I know i can change myself, i just don't always know how. And my attitude depend a lot on my emotional state, and how high my level of anxiety is. And torturing myself over things i can't change... i really try not to. I just hate the feeling of helplessness, or the loss of control.
 
Well you've joined a supportive community now. Look at how many responses there have been to your threads - people who care about what you're facing because many of them have been through the same, and almost all of us can relate to at least some of what you've described. You're lucky you have a secure place to live and food in your belly - not everyone can say that - and now you've found a community willing to take the time to listen, share and offer solace and help :)
Some will swear by CBT as a method to help realign their thoughts. Have you considered it or tried it? It doesn't work for me but plenty of others have said it helped them.
Just remember, you're not alone, you're not the first person to go through this, and you can and WILL come out the other side. We can be supportive and offer advice but only YOU can make that process faster by either following the advice we offer or finding better advice elsewhere. Either way you can't go on hurting yourself by believing you're out of options.
 
Well you've joined a supportive community now. Look at how many responses there have been to your threads - people who care about what you're facing because many of them have been through the same, and almost all of us can relate to at least some of what you've described. You're lucky you have a secure place to live and food in your belly - not everyone can say that - and now you've found a community willing to take the time to listen, share and offer solace and help :)
Some will swear by CBT as a method to help realign their thoughts. Have you considered it or tried it? It doesn't work for me but plenty of others have said it helped them.
Just remember, you're not alone, you're not the first person to go through this, and you can and WILL come out the other side. We can be supportive and offer advice but only YOU can make that process faster by either following the advice we offer or finding better advice elsewhere. Either way you can't go on hurting yourself by believing you're out of options.

I think I tried CBT... i'm not hundred percent sure. I was seeing a second therapist who was part of the same practice as my main therapist, and he was there to help me understand what I was feeling, and why. Like how I have an issue with my inner child vs my inner parent. Or something a long the lines. I don't remember all to much about it, because it was a while ago. It did help a little.
My therapist wants me to do a "bridging" course or something in January. I think it's there to help those such as myself to better understand this NT oriented world.
 

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