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Just needed to vent

Kwik6six

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It's been a while since I've posted, but today was just one of those days I need to vent.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being completely exasperated by trying to communicate with "normal" people. I'm just tired of everyone acting like I'm speaking in a foreign language. Are norms SO wrapped up in their style of never saying what the mean that they literally cannot understand direct factual conversation?
 
NT assigning a double meaning to sentences that don't have any, and having to be very conscious in phrasing to prevent that is very frustrating.
 
Seriously, as soon as I'm done dealing with my siblings regarding our parent's trust and this year's tax filing, I am done even trying.

I totally give up. I'm also dealing with my husband having terminal cancer and the endless appointments and fruitless "conversations" with the neverending stream of doctors, nurses, patient navigators, insurance companies (the list goes on). I am getting dangerously close to snapping completely and having to be committed to an asylum to heal my frazzled brain
 
@Kwik6six, Regarding your first post, I am assuming you are speaking in regards to the differences between "direct" and "indirect" language. We've had these discussions before on here,...it's not an uncommon communication disconnect.

I learned this early in my career,...decades before I found out I was autistic. At work, I would occasionally send out e-mails on one topic or another, but I was rather intrigued by the fact that some people had this habit of "reading between the lines", creating some alternate narrative, then getting upset with something that wasn't said. When an occasional confrontation would take place, I would tell them to read the message again,...as written. These same people would read it with "attitude and emotion" that was not there. It was like they were reading the words,...but interpreting it in a totally different way. They literally could not believe that a person was using direct language!

Not everyone was like this, but I had a few supervisors, managers, and co-workers over the many years that had this trait,...and I would find myself on the backs of my heals trying to explain that when dealing with me,..."Please do not "interpret",...just read the message." Even as an autistic I could see the confusion on their faces,...and some, I know, still thought I was full of crap. They literally could not wrap their brains around the concept of simply saying what you mean,...as it was THEIR experience that one is supposed to communicate in this cryptic language.

Years of experience later,...I might send out an e-mail maybe once or twice a year,...and even then,...I am careful to edit out anything that might be interpreted as emotion or opinion. Bullet points and simple statements. I am now quite aware of the difference between direct and indirect language,...and I am even more inclined to use directness with people,...but now with even more "editing".

At least in my experience, some people really struggle with this distinction. Some may not be aware of these communication differences even exist other than the fact they end up confused, frustrated, even angry. Pay attention to the news and social media,...some get really upset with their interpretation of something that was never said.:confused:o_O
 
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At 55, I've been used to it for quite some time. After 20 years with my husband, we've learned that we just "think with different parts of our brains" and keep trying until one understands what the other is trying to convey. And it's not always just the actual vs. implied. For me it seems to be nearly every comment, every discussion, every interaction with others. Yes I know my brain works differently than most others, but after this long, I still literally get crushing headaches from trying to achieve a form of communication these ppl can understand. My misanthropy has been a very long time in the making and all I can keep looking forward to is the day I can finally be alone and not have to deal with any of it anymore. I will fully embrace being the "eccentric antisocial recluse"
 
After the pandemic, no one can communicate ----so that huge cavern between NTs and Auties is only going to seem more massive!
 
I empathize with you, @Kwik6six

I've said many times and for years: The world would be a much better place for everyone if people practiced "Saying what they mean and meaning what they say."
 
Yes, that's frustrating. Or, when I ask a question, I don't get a direct answer, I wish people would listen to the actual question I asked. I ask a certain question because I'm looking fo a specific answer, but don't always get it because they are reading something else into it.
 
It's comforting to know that I'm not alone in these struggles to communicate. The older I get the less I care if people don't 'get' me. I still get anxious about communicating but I realise that it's not something I can fix.
 
Reading between the lines is an absolutely crucial skill among NTs. If there's nothing between the lines when you speak, the assumption is you're not bright enough to put things between the lines or you're hiding something.
 
Reading between the lines is an absolutely crucial skill among NTs. .....
This is 100% true, and IMO there's even more to accurately communicating with NTs (body language, various verbal "protocols" for different situations, etc).

I came to this forum expecting to find a lot of discussions about NT vs ND communication, and a significant amount of information, guidance, and techniques on how to communicate with NTs. I'm still not sure why this isn't the case - it seems like a useful thing to work on.

FWIW, anyone can get better at communication. There's no "magic wand" of course. It's a lot of work for people on the spectrum, but IMO it's well worth the effort.
 
This is 100% true, and IMO there's even more to accurately communicating with NTs (body language, various verbal "protocols" for different situations, etc).

I came to this forum expecting to find a lot of discussions about NT vs ND communication, and a significant amount of information, guidance, and techniques on how to communicate with NTs. I'm still not sure why this isn't the case - it seems like a useful thing to work on.

FWIW, anyone can get better at communication. There's no "magic wand" of course. It's a lot of work for people on the spectrum, but IMO it's well worth the effort.
It is difficult for many neurodiverse folks to accept that they need to work on their communication skills. They are a tiny minority in the scheme of things. Most of the 98% who aren't on the spectrum will not be willing to adjust to make things easier for us. Would be nice but not happening in my life. I am an eternal pragmatist but rarely an optimist.
 
This is 100% true, and IMO there's even more to accurately communicating with NTs (body language, various verbal "protocols" for different situations, etc).

I came to this forum expecting to find a lot of discussions about NT vs ND communication, and a significant amount of information, guidance, and techniques on how to communicate with NTs. I'm still not sure why this isn't the case - it seems like a useful thing to work on.

FWIW, anyone can get better at communication. There's no "magic wand" of course. It's a lot of work for people on the spectrum, but IMO it's well worth the effort.
Most people, ND and NT alike do not believe communication problems lie with them. So I made a rule for myself "If I want to be understood then it is up to me to fix the problem".
But honestly, often times I can't figure out how to discuss things in the way some people need. The best I can do is try, try again. All I can do is be patient and not take difficulties personally.
But I still want to throttle some of the NT folk in my life.
 
Think quite a few of us can really relate to this.
Yes, that's frustrating. Or, when I ask a question, I don't get a direct answer, I wish people would listen to the actual question I asked. I ask a certain question because I'm looking fo a specific answer, but don't always get it because they are reading something else into it.
And then they have a round about way of answering. Really frustrating.

It's comforting to know that I'm not alone in these struggles to communicate. The older I get the less I care if people don't 'get' me. I still get anxious about communicating but I realise that it's not something I can fix.
I have bands on my wrist to anchor me when I have to communicate with others because it really builds up my anxiety. I’m some way, The pandemic really hasn’t helped with this.
 

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