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Need help with 22 yr old who has meltdowns

Heather24

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I have a very confusing situation going on. My daughter, who lives in a group home often comes to my house and has meltdowns. She will trap me in a room and has at times gotten violent. The last time this happened, she started screaming at me and calling me horrible names at the top of her lungs over a simple misunderstanding. I said that she would need to apologize before she came back to my home. It’s now been 2 months and she missed Thanksgiving. Should I contact her , or wait for her to call and apologize if she wants to come over for Christmas?
 
@Heather24, first of all, welcome. :)

As a parent, myself, I know dealing with behavior issues in any child can be difficult. So, when we add on the layers of difficulty with a child who is an "adult" and not living with you, I can only imagine the difficulties.

I know this is a deeply emotional situation, but forgive me if I am going to look at this from more of a logical or clinical perspective.

1. I think many autistics can relate to the fact that "meltdowns" don't just come from nothing. There is a buildup to this. Mental exhaustion and stress are often key triggers. What those are in your daughter, we wouldn't have a clue, but (1) a lack of sleep, (2) being overwhelmed socially, (3) being anxious for prolonged periods of time, (4) poor diet, particularly too much sugar, which is pro inflammatory in the brain, (5) physical pain such as from cramping from menstruation, (6) high mental demands, just to name a few. It is not uncommon to have these in combinations. You're at your wits end, and then, all it takes is something to "trigger" an event. As one might say, "The straw that breaks the camel's back".

2. Misunderstandings are a common phenomenon. All we have are our own perspectives. We also have cognitive biases. It is difficult to relate to people, in general. I can try to fully understand what you are going through here, but I don't know you or your daughter or your personal relationship. Asking her to apologize for her behavior or what she may have said might not be something she would do, and I say this because in her mind she is correct. From her perception, such as it might be, often without all the pertinent facts, often without understanding how you are feeling, or how much it hurt you, she is correct. This has NOTHING to do with whether or not she was correct or whether or not you deserved that behavior or insults. You see the difficulties here? Neither of you know what you don't know. You are asking for help here, but she probably is, as well, but it just comes out violently in her.

I work in a large children's hospital. Our team of doctors, nurses, and therapists are dealing with horrible situations with stressed out parents on a daily basis. Some of our parents will be quiet, pleasant, and polite. However, we can only imagine the stress they are under. Some of our parents will be emotionally distraught and we need to console. Some of our parents want answers we cannot give them, either because we genuinely don't know, or its impossible. Some of our parents are just plain angry, and although they are angry at the situation, they will lash out at us. I may happen to be the face they see, but they are going to give it to me with "both barrels of the gun", per se. They are going to have their meltdown. I just have to take it, and definitely not escalate the situation my matching their energy or becoming defensive. This is a difficult skill and takes a lot of self discipline and control. I have to let them vent.

So, to answer your last question. I don't think you are going to receive and apology until you two can calmly talk about all the stressors in her life, as well as yours. If you do this right, it might be a beautiful mother-daughter moment. Let her talk, and for God's sake, do not interrupt. She may say some things that hurt you or are completely wrong, so your job is to take it all in, let her vent, and then when the time is right in the conversation, calmly respond with your perspective, your stress, but keep the energy low. You might find opportunities to help each other and find some solutions. It might be then that you both will realize what each of you didn't know, and your perspectives might change on the situation, and then, and only then will she apologize.
 
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This sounds like a very hard situation - I'm honestly not sure whether we can give really good advice in this online place, since our information about your daughter and you is very limited.

Trying to make amends with your daughter, and making the first step for this if necessary, usually sounds like a good plan. However, we don't know your history. Sometimes, giving someone space is better.

If she lives in a group home, do you have a person there who could give you advice, someone who is familiar with your daughter and her struggles and who might have input on how she is doing right now?

Is your daughter diagnosed with autism, are there other conditions involved, is she on any medication? (I absolutely don't mean for you to respond to this on such a public page - it's just the questions I have in my head, and something for you to think about) Trapping you in a room and screaming "horrible names" at you over "a simple misunderstanding" (of course we don't know what this was) somehow doesn't sound like a typical autistic meltdown to me, but indicates that there's more going on. That's also why I'm hesitant to give some real concrete advice. Of course, I can be completely wrong about this. My experience with autistic meltdowns is limited to my own, as well as the one's I have heard about from other autistic people.

If she is in a group home, she should have someone who treats her - a psychologist, a doctor, a social worker. Maybe those could be people you could also ask about this?

Apart from that, it could be helpful to try to get the pressure out of the situation. If your daughter frequently had meltdowns at your house in the past, it could be a good idea to look into whether there are things in your home which greatly stress your daughter? Those can be noises, for example. Maybe she puts pressure on herself, maybe she is secretly hoping to move back in with you? Maybe focus on reconciling and improving your relationship with her in the stability of her group home, for right now. Maybe another visit to your place could be shorter, well-planned in advance, maybe even someone from the home could accompany her. Those are all ideas.

I hope that the situation improves, and feel free to ask any more questions.
 
Such fantastic helpful advice. Perhaps take her to a neutral place like a park, or a large area and sit down and talk about the blowups. Not being in your home sets a different tone for you to address this calmly. State you need to feel comfortable with her, and right now you don't. Ask her to contribute to how she can make this work. Good luck, really hope you can find a workable solution. Do you ever engage in activities with her? Is it possible to go to a museum, stroll through botanical gardens, play mini golf, something to cause a bond to grow between you and her?
 
OP, has her severity level been determined?
Being in a group home suggests level 2 or 3.
If that is the case, you will need to familiarize yourself with the management of TBIs.
I am ASD1 and it still did not prepare me for the needs of ASD2 & 3.
 
@Heather24, first of all, welcome. :)

As a parent, myself, I know dealing with behavior issues in any child can be difficult. So, when we add on the layers of difficulty with a child who is an "adult" and not living with you, I can only imagine the difficulties.

I know this is a deeply emotional situation, but forgive me if I am going to look at this from more of a logical or clinical perspective.

1. I think many autistics can relate to the fact that "meltdowns" don't just come from nothing. There is a buildup to this. Mental exhaustion and stress are often key triggers. What those are in your daughter, we wouldn't have a clue, but (1) a lack of sleep, (2) being overwhelmed socially, (3) being anxious for prolonged periods of time, (4) poor diet, particularly too much sugar, which is pro inflammatory in the brain, (5) physical pain such as from cramping from menstruation, (6) high mental demands, just to name a few. It is not uncommon to have these in combinations. You're at your wits end, and then, all it takes is something to "trigger" an event. As one might say, "The straw that breaks the camel's back".

2. Misunderstandings are a common phenomenon. All we have are our own perspectives. We also have cognitive biases. It is difficult to relate to people, in general. I can try to fully understand what you are going through here, but I don't know you or your daughter or your personal relationship. Asking her to apologize for her behavior or what she may have said might not be something she would do, and I say this because in her mind she is correct. From her perception, such as it might be, often without all the pertinent facts, often without understanding how you are feeling, or how much it hurt you, she is correct. This has NOTHING to do with whether or not she was correct or whether or not you deserved that behavior or insults. You see the difficulties here? Neither of you know what you don't know. You are asking for help here, but she probably is, as well, but it just comes out violently in her.

I work in a large children's hospital. Our team of doctors, nurses, and therapists are dealing with horrible situations with stressed out parents on a daily basis. Some of our parents will be quiet, pleasant, and polite. However, we can only imagine the stress they are under. Some of our parents will be emotionally distraught and we need to console. Some of our parents want answers we cannot give them, either because we genuinely don't know, or its impossible. Some of our parents are just plain angry, and although they are angry at the situation, they will lash out at us. I may happen to be the face they see, but they are going to give it to me with "both barrels of the gun", per se. They are going to have their meltdown. I just have to take it, and definitely not escalate the situation my matching their energy or becoming defensive. This is a difficult skill and takes a lot of self discipline and control. I have to let them vent.

So, to answer your last question. I don't think you are going to receive and apology until you two can calmly talk about all the stressors in her life, as well as yours. If you do this right, it might be a beautiful mother-daughter moment. Let her talk, and for God's sake, do not interrupt. She may say some things that hurt you or are completely wrong, so your job is to take it all in, let her vent, and then when the time is right in the conversation, calmly respond with your perspective, your stress, but keep the energy low. You might find opportunities to help each other and find some solutions. It might be then that you both will realize what each of you didn't know, and your perspectives might change on the situation, and then, and only then will she apologize.
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for your thoughtful and thorough reply. I so appreciate it. I’m sure that you can relate to how difficult the past 20 years has been. We’ve had countless calls to the police. It’s been extremely difficult.
 
OP, has her severity level been determined?
Being in a group home suggests level 2 or 3.
If that is the case, you will need to familiarize yourself with the management of TBIs.
I am ASD1 and it still did not prepare me for the needs of ASD2 & 3.
It has not. Thank you so much for the advice. That’s a very good idea.
 
Such fantastic helpful advice. Perhaps take her to a neutral place like a park, or a large area and sit down and talk about the blowups. Not being in your home sets a different tone for you to address this calmly. State you need to feel comfortable with her, and right now you don't. Ask her to contribute to how she can make this work. Good luck, really hope you can find a workable solution. Do you ever engage in activities with her? Is it possible to go to a museum, stroll through botanical gardens, play mini golf, something to cause a bond to grow between you and her?
 
... Should I contact her , or wait for her to call and apologize if she wants to come over for Christmas?
The simple answer is this:

If she won't come to you, and if you won't go to her, you've created a stalemate.

If a person finds such a stalemate unacceptable, that person is the only one with the power to change the situation.
 

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