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Not sure if I will return to college

Markness

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I used to hope college would be where I would find my niche in this world and that it would be better socially than grade school was. Those two things were the impressions I got from media and people’s experiences. But in my own experience, I found the courses to be counterproductive to finding my niche and the social atmosphere is even worse than it was for me in my developmental years. My work schedule has also limited the number of courses I can take and I’ve flunked some in the past so my credit number is low. Admittedly, I’ve dropped out multiple times but you’d think by now I would have figured out what I want to do.

When I see others on the campus, they already have company with them and I can’t join in. When I try to interact with people who are alone, they don’t want to look away from their cellphones and give me uninterested body language.

A part of me feels despondent that I don’t have a college degree but on the same token, I can’t bear feeling like everything I do is a chore and I am still behind others socially.
 
If you go to college for no other reason than to study something you're passionate about then everything else will fall into place. I didn't make friends until I was in college. College is awesome!
 
If you go to college for no other reason than to study something you're passionate about then everything else will fall into place. I didn't make friends until I was in college. College is awesome!

I don’t really know what I want to dedicate my life to since I honestly feel like I can’t excel at anything and my struggles with math pretty much dash any potential career. I’ve also gone to college multiple times but still can’t find my niche. Even taking music classes didn’t help me get better at the guitar and the art class I took I got a low grade in.

I didn’t make any friends in college. Admittedly, someone did offer friendship to me but when he mentioned having a band and a girlfriend, I felt very inferior and that he would get bored of me since I sucked at the guitar and I was still depressed about being single at my age so things fizzled out. Whenever I tried to reach out to others, I was either ignored or rebuffed.
 
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I didn’t have any meaningful friendships until 2nd year of my bachelors at university, and even then I didn’t really find my niche socially until third year. People accepted me for who I was, and whilst it was still tiring I wasn’t pretending to be someone else. I was a lot more confident and I was more independent. I was also studying something that was my passion. Although I didn’t actually make those friendships with people in my classes, they were still friendly towards me so I tried to be too. I also joined societies that interested me and I also joined the uni’s disability and ASD groups. Basically, what I’m trying to say is that it takes effort. It’s really not easy but university gave me so much in the way of social acceptance, friendships (although they haven’t lasted after the graduations but that can happen to anyone), independence and self esteem. I didn’t really want to go back on the first day. So I’m pretty glad that my dad just kept driving.

But university is not for everyone. And there’s no shame to recognize that and do something else. You’re not a failure.


I don’t really know what I want to dedicate my life to since I honestly feel like I can’t excel at anything and my struggles with math pretty much dash any potential career. I’ve also gone to college multiple times but still can’t find my niche. Even taking music classes didn’t help me get better at the guitar and the art class I took I got a low grade in.

I didn’t make any friends in college. Admittedly, someone did offer friendship to me but when he mentioned having a band and a girlfriend, I felt very inferior and that he would get bored of me since I sucked at the guitar and I was still depressed about being single at my age so things fizzled out. Whenever I tried to reach out to others, I was either ignored or rebuffed.

If you want, you could always try taking top up courses or pathway courses if your applicable. It does depend on what is offered but if you are genuinely serious about taking a higher education path, then they also give you the foundation of knowing what to expect without the seriousness of a full degree. It sounds like you are uncertain of what you want to do, so you’re jumping around courses to try to get out something that is not really what you want to do and that never really ends well.
 
What about your interests, you often post about music you like and you seem to like reading, so working in a library is probably already a good choice of career. I worked in a library for a while, and loved it, though as you sometimes have noted, relating to colleagues can be a hurdle, but this is true in any job, unless you have an idea for working for yourself?

Do you enjoy writing? Creative writing classes and groups can be a way to meet people and make friends and perhaps relationships. Maybe at a more community learning level first, then possibly college.
 
Many people on the spectrum do not do well in the typical classroom situation. One of the reasons for a statistically low employment rate. I could not focus during my undergrad,...I don't know how many times I sat in my room, frustrated, angry, my mind racing about other things than my course work. It wasn't until I got into the respiratory therapist program that I could focus and good grades,...and then, and only then did I receive 100% of total points in certain classes,...seriously,...graduated top of my class. Universities have their place, but for some people, it is just a distraction,...a very expensive, time-wasting distraction. Trade schools are more for people on the spectrum, in my opinion. Every class you take within the program has direct application toward your trade,...and it makes a lot more sense. Elon Musk, whom many, including myself, are convinced is on the spectrum had this to say about universities: Elon Musk says college is 'basically for fun and not for learning'
 
What about your interests, you often post about music you like and you seem to like reading, so working in a library is probably already a good choice of career. I worked in a library for a while, and loved it, though as you sometimes have noted, relating to colleagues can be a hurdle, but this is true in any job, unless you have an idea for working for yourself?

Do you enjoy writing? Creative writing classes and groups can be a way to meet people and make friends and perhaps relationships. Maybe at a more community learning level first, then possibly college.

I took some guitar lessons and took a music appreciation course. I did learn some new things on the guitar but I still struggled with it and I haven’t touched my guitar for a long time now. I learned some new things in music appreciation but it didn’t open any doors for me so to say. No one also wanted to make social connections with me.

When I was talking to my therapist a while ago, I told her that I realize one of my biggest frustrations with college is how I’ve been told my main focus should be learning and to forget about socializing but yet I see social interaction taking place both within and outside the courses. It’s like it’s ok for everyone except for myself to interact socially. It honestly makes me want to cry. Why is it ok for others to have fun but I am told I can’t?

The college lists creative writing as a course but whenever I inquire about it, I am told it’s not available. It’s baffling to me and it’s denied me yet another avenue to evolve as a human being.
 
I took some guitar lessons and took a music appreciation course. I did learn some new things on the guitar but I still struggled with it and I haven’t touched my guitar for a long time now. I learned some new things in music appreciation but it didn’t open any doors for me so to say. No one also wanted to make social connections with me.

When I was talking to my therapist a while ago, I told her that I realize one of my biggest frustrations with college is how I’ve been told my main focus should be learning and to forget about socializing but yet I see social interaction taking place both within and outside the courses. It’s like it’s ok for everyone except for myself to interact socially. It honestly makes me want to cry. Why is it ok for others to have fun but I am told I can’t?

The college lists creative writing as a course but whenever I inquire about it, I am told it’s not available. It’s baffling to me and it’s denied me yet another avenue to evolve as a human being.

Well, you did say a student wanted to connect with you but you chose not to because you felt inferior. This perhaps points to part of the problem being, your level of self esteem, and how you may need to work on this to be able to take up a connection that's offered. I bet that guy liked you, probably thought you were interesting and liked your personality, then felt deflated when you didn't seem interested to be his friend. If he felt rejected, he wouldn't probably take the risk again. Can you work on this in your therapy?

Who says you shouldn't interact socially? Aren't you an adult choosing to study as a mature student? Your reason for doing this might be that you want to socialise, surely! Mine often has been. Who has the right to say you shouldn't? And even if they express that view, why would that influence you? You are an adult and can decide what's best. Again, this sounds like something to work on in therapy if you still feel people can tell you what to do.

Is there any other source for creative writing tuition or groups? Sounds like it would suit you. Could you form a group at the library?
 
Well, you did say a student wanted to connect with you but you chose not to because you felt inferior. This perhaps points to part of the problem being, your level of self esteem, and how you may need to work on this to be able to take up a connection that's offered. I bet that guy liked you, probably thought you were interesting and liked your personality, then felt deflated when you didn't seem interested to be his friend. If he felt rejected, he wouldn't probably take the risk again. Can you work on this in your therapy?

Who says you shouldn't interact socially? Aren't you an adult choosing to study as a mature student? Your reason for doing this might be that you want to socialise, surely! Mine often has been. Who has the right to say you shouldn't? And even if they express that view, why would that influence you? You are an adult and can decide what's best. Again, this sounds like something to work on in therapy if you still feel people can tell you what to do.

Is there any other source for creative writing tuition or groups? Sounds like it would suit you. Could you form a group at the library?

My self-esteem is indeed low and it’s plagued me for many years. I hoped I would get some comments on my drawings but besides one, no one is commenting and it makes me feel like no one is liking what I am doing. I can work on it with my therapist and she also felt like I should avoid social media since it only feeds my negative feelings. I deactivated my Facebook account on her advice.

My family and people from Wrong Planet told me I shouldn’t socialize at college. The ill will from Wrong Planet is largely why I stopped going to that place. I’ve resisted what they told me but I have nothing positive to show for my efforts. It keeps me in a vicious cycle.

I’ve looked around but I am not having any luck. I couldn’t make a group even if I wanted to because the library is closed to the public. I honestly hate the library. The people that come in are generally very rude and the worker’s environment is hostile.

I really don’t enjoy having to answer with despondent stories. I really wish I could say the opposite. It makes me wonder if the culture I live in is just completely sick.
 
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My self-esteem is indeed low and it’s plagued me for many years. I hoped I would get some comments on my drawings but besides one, no one is commenting and it makes me feel like no one is liking what I am doing. I can work on it with my therapist and she also felt like I should avoid social media since it only feeds my negative feelings. I deactivated my Facebook account on her advice.

My family and people from Wrong Planet told me I shouldn’t socialize at college. The ill will from Wrong Planet is largely why I stopped going to that place. I’ve resisted what they told me but I have nothing positive to show for my efforts. It keeps me in a vicious cycle.

I’ve looked around but I am not having any luck. I couldn’t make a group even if I wanted to because the library is closed to the public. I honestly hate the library. The people that come in are generally very rude and the worker’s environment is hostile.

I really don’t enjoy having to answer with despondent stories. I really wish I could say the opposite. It makes me wonder if the culture I live in is just completely sick.

Maybe you should make a plan of action in the form of a list.
Look into college programs and do research. Long term assessment as to wither or not it will hold your interest.
 
What the hell is a niche supposed to be? I don't think I know anyone happily basking in their niche. People go to work, pay the bills and hang out with friends, watch tv or do hobbies in their spare time.

You're shooting yourself in the foot with your high ideals. You will not have a perfect life in this world. No one does.

This American idea of pursuing happiness is hokum. Its the little things in life that matter.
 
I would recommend finishing college. Life is hard enough without trying to navigate it without a college degree. Your options are going to be limited without one.
 
My self-esteem is indeed low and it’s plagued me for many years. I hoped I would get some comments on my drawings but besides one, no one is commenting and it makes me feel like no one is liking what I am doing. I can work on it with my therapist and she also felt like I should avoid social media since it only feeds my negative feelings. I deactivated my Facebook account on her advice.

My family and people from Wrong Planet told me I shouldn’t socialize at college. The ill will from Wrong Planet is largely why I stopped going to that place. I’ve resisted what they told me but I have nothing positive to show for my efforts. It keeps me in a vicious cycle.

I’ve looked around but I am not having any luck. I couldn’t make a group even if I wanted to because the library is closed to the public. I honestly hate the library. The people that come in are generally very rude and the worker’s environment is hostile.

I really don’t enjoy having to answer with despondent stories. I really wish I could say the opposite. It makes me wonder if the culture I live in is just completely sick.

If you post your artwork on sites that generate likes rather than comments, like Instagram, most people just like rather than comment. I imagine it may be the same for deviantart, but I’d suggest to expand the spread of art work onto different sites. I think amino also has an art section. And twitter surprisingly has a big art community. But don’t be too disheartened by the lack of comments. People don’t comment as much anymore.
 
I used to hope college would be where I would find my niche in this world and that it would be better socially than grade school was. Those two things were the impressions I got from media and people’s experiences. But in my own experience, I found the courses to be counterproductive to finding my niche and the social atmosphere is even worse than it was for me in my developmental years. My work schedule has also limited the number of courses I can take and I’ve flunked some in the past so my credit number is low. Admittedly, I’ve dropped out multiple times but you’d think by now I would have figured out what I want to do.

When I see others on the campus, they already have company with them and I can’t join in. When I try to interact with people who are alone, they don’t want to look away from their cellphones and give me uninterested body language.

A part of me feels despondent that I don’t have a college degree but on the same token, I can’t bear feeling like everything I do is a chore and I am still behind others socially.

You're trying to work and go to school at the same time?! WOW! That was entirely beyond me!! (No matter how much mom pushed!) I did two courses at once (very occasionally 3, but usually 2), full time for a disabled student, and took summers off to crash, and that took all I had, usually! Granted, I was living independently at the same time, which takes a lot of wherewithal and energy and functionality and stuff... but still.

My opinion: if you're finding the courses counterproductive to finding your niche, then you're taking the wrong courses! College should be about studying what interests you, about focusing on what you're passionate about, (with the restrictions of the requirements outside your major), and ideally, being able to find a career you want to spend your life in. If it all feels like work, then you're either in the wrong area, or in the wrong place entirely. (or burnt out, in which case, a complete break may be needed.)

I never understood the social aspect of University, or why people always say College/University is for partying. I was there to study. The social part was beside the point. I did make some friends here and there, some lasting longer than others, as our lives diverged, but that was never my goal. Of course, since I was only doing two classes at a time, I had a hard time finding a cohort, as everybody kept moving past me and finishing their degrees, while I was still working on mine. (especially during my first one.)It did make things difficult if I needed help with an assignment, or something, because I very rarely knew enough of my classmates well enough to ask any of them for help. I had to rely on the professor, and sometimes that wasn't the right answer. (often it worked find, but sometimes not.)

One other thought. There is a significant difference between a University (which may contain many different colleges, but still have a more generalized approach than a technical college.) and a College. Especially a Technical college. Technical Colleges tend to be more focused on developing a specific set of skills, rather than giving you a broad base of knowledge or letting you explore different subject areas. If that's what you're experiencing, maybe you should try a University? And definitely get the help of whichever's Disability Services department! (though I'm not sure how good they are in technical colleges. It might depend on the program. I have some idea they are better in University, but that's just a thought, with minimal knowledge behind it.)

Other types of colleges I am less sure about, because my experience of them is of them being subsumed under a larger University, and I'm only somewhat aware of how differently the colleges operate from each other.
 
I don’t really know what I want to dedicate my life to since I honestly feel like I can’t excel at anything and my struggles with math pretty much dash any potential career. I’ve also gone to college multiple times but still can’t find my niche. Even taking music classes didn’t help me get better at the guitar and the art class I took I got a low grade in.

I didn’t make any friends in college. Admittedly, someone did offer friendship to me but when he mentioned having a band and a girlfriend, I felt very inferior and that he would get bored of me since I sucked at the guitar and I was still depressed about being single at my age so things fizzled out. Whenever I tried to reach out to others, I was either ignored or rebuffed.

I have two thoughts here. 1. It sounds like you are also dealing with depression, and maybe trauma from so much failure (and maybe being different?), so if you can get that checked out by a doctor, and hopefully treated, everything might seem more manageable. I know it did for me. Having support made a monumental difference in my life, both in my ability to tackle the ordinary challenges of life, and of dealing with the harder stuff of trauma, depression, PTSD, and/or discrimination. (and outright ignorance about disability.) When you've been told you're a failure for a long time (maybe always), having someone 'in your corner', who can 'be your cheerleader', and encourage and validate you can make all the difference in the world. Even make the difference between wanting to try, and giving up. (whether it's dealing with the world in general, or specifically pursuing a goal.)

2. I royally suck at math too, and I still ended up getting a B.A. Honors in Psychology, despite the need for 2 courses in Stats!! (granted, I learned that Psych Stats are much different than Math Stats, but they were still plenty numbers heavy to me!) What made it possible for me was, actually, related to my other major stumbling block in getting any degree. (in this case the first (non honors) one. There is a "language" requirement for any University degree. Typically this means you have to learn a foreign language, at least a little. Typically this means you have to actually speak another language, in order to learn it! This was a deal breaker for me. At first, I tried to do it the ordinary way, but I chose a 'dead' language, so no one would expect me to 'really' speak it, or become anything even approaching fluent. (as much as one can taking only first year courses). When that failed miserably, (for medical reasons, but also some issues with the demand of the class, and ignorance of the prof.), I was advised I could try to find a way around it, based on disability accommodations. Short version: the college advisor gave me the wrong information (I swear she lied, but everyone else is convinced otherwise, and that it was unintentional) about whether a certain course could be considered to qualify, so I had to go the ordinary route anyways.

Luckily, just as I was finishing that degree, (and still hadn't figured out a solution), I discovered (more by accident, actually, since I missed the beginning of the class where it was announced), that the first term of Latin was being taught for the first time by a prof I really liked, instead of just part two. He also was teaching part two. And that it was going to be taught in the upcoming summer term! (this meant I could graduate earlier, rather than having to wait a whole extra term after finishing!). Again, short version, since this is getting long, it worked out!! We had to make some accommodations, and I had to get a friend who was good at Latin to help out, but it worked out! My prof was even thoroughly impressed with me an my abilities and thought I was one of his more capable students! Needless to say I aced that class!! (which was extremely weird, given my language disability, and it was a language!) Some of my ability was due to my autistic memory, and increased ability to remember vocabulary compared to my classmates, and some of it was my previous experience with the case system due to Linguistics classes. (also something my classmates didn't have.)

Umm.. my point here is that the success with Latin gave me the courage to try to tackle Stats. I figured it I could conquer Latin, then I could manage anything! I did have to hire the same friend (a Math dude) to help with homework, and to come to class with me to help me interact with the prof. in case it was needed. (turned out to not be, really. The prof. was very good at teaching step by step.) but it worked out! (the later problems with discrimination and harassment I mention in another post, came later, in a course I should've been able to be good at, and had 'done my homework' to try and prevent problems. It was not my fault that the minimal percentage of the department I didn't talk to beforehand is the part that had the problem with my difficulties with speech, especially in or to groups. Oh, and for the record, my issues had nothing to do with an ordinary 'fear of public speaking', which was the assumption, no matter how many times we tried to explain otherwise. But again, because I could 'pass' sometimes with that one supervising faculty member doesn't mean I was exaggerating, or making up my difficulties! ... but that's another matter.)

These days there are many ways around different disability issues, and many forms of accommodations that can be made. (and math disabilities were fairly common back when I was finishing my last degree.)
 
What about your interests, you often post about music you like and you seem to like reading, so working in a library is probably already a good choice of career. I worked in a library for a while, and loved it, though as you sometimes have noted, relating to colleagues can be a hurdle, but this is true in any job, unless you have an idea for working for yourself?

Do you enjoy writing? Creative writing classes and groups can be a way to meet people and make friends and perhaps relationships. Maybe at a more community learning level first, then possibly college.

My experience: People always assumed I would work in a library, from the time I was in elementary school. As it turned out, by the time I got to University, I had different interests. And then I got into Disability Rights, and my interests expanded. I had the difficult situation where my interests were all in the Social Sciences, but my abilities were all in the Humanities. It made life interesting, in many ways. The end result is not helpful here, so I won't mention it.

My other problem, and I don't know if anyone can relate, and maybe this isn't helpful, but feel free to ignore if it isn't, is that people always said "well, what are your interests? Maybe you can turn that into a job/career". But that never worked for me. None of my interests ever seemed to be anything I could do anything with, in the NT sense. Then again, that was before there were so many online options and telecommuting, and so many other non-traditional options.

Part of my problems though, come to think of it, were social obstacles. And general societal cluelessness about the the combination of autistic difficulties and high intellectual ability. Or invisible disabilities in general, for that matter.
 
I think people could benefit from a listing of what situations others are open to having a stranger interact with them because generally when most people are sitting by themselves between classes, especially if they are doing something specific like reading a book or listening to music (like holy **** don't approach me if I'm clearly wearing headphones lmao) they are going to want to be left alone. Group work is a hellish gauntlet, but it's been an okay means of meeting people (not usually turning into friendship but it's a way of talking to someone new). Also just sitting next to someone in class, depending on how desks are arranged. But there's no guarantees. Even online I haven't met many people that I click with or who clicked with me. That's part of being a basically kind of odd kind of person.
 

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