People shaming you

[Misty Avich]

Today on Facebook someone posted a lecture aimed towards everyone who sends out Christmas cards. He said that we should all "grow up" and to think of all the trees they cut down to make the Christmas cards, and then we send them only for them to be thrown away.

While I think trees are important, people have been sending out cards for years, in fact it's old-fashioned tradition. And if he has that attitude then I wonder if he thinks the same about wrapping paper, gift tags, and everything else associated with not only Christmas but birthdays and all the other holidays?

I think every time a tree is cut down, a new tree should be planted. But I don't really want this thread to turn political. The point is, I just didn't think much to his post, even though it wasn't aimed at me of course, but it suddenly made me feel guilty for...celebrating Christmas and other holidays the traditional way.

Some people are just so miserable. And no, he isn't religious.

 

[wards]

LOL, some people just hate others being happy.. bah humbug

 

[Outdated]

He said that we should all "grow up" and to think of all the trees they cut down to make the Christmas cards...

He's obviously not very well educated either. Paper is made from a combination of Pine timber and recycled cloth. The trees are Farmed - planted specifically for the purpose of making paper. It's not like anyone is chopping down rare tropical hardwoods, in fact hardwoods are entirely unsuitable for making paper.

The man is a control freak. There's far too many people in the world like this, he doesn't care about facts and he doesn't care about other people's feelings, all that matters to him is that he appears influential, that he has some form of impact in the community. He doesn't care if that impact is good or bad, only that it is caused by him and can become a point he can show off about in front of his friends. That is the basis of all far right extremism.

 

[Misery]

This seriously sounds like Facebook being exactly what it is built to be: A place to get people angry, and thus, engaged with it. Give someone a soapbox, and there's a decent chance that they'll stand on it to scream about some little thing that angers them, or just... you know, anything at all. Particularly when the place they're standing in was designed from the ground up to encourage that angry screaming.

If you want to meet less miserable people... best to go to a less miserable place.

 

[Misty Avich]

He's obviously not very well educated either. Paper is made from a combination of Pine timber and recycled cloth. The trees are Farmed - planted specifically for the purpose of making paper. It's not like anyone is chopping down rare tropical hardwoods, in fact hardwoods are entirely unsuitable for making paper.

The man is a control freak. There's far too many people in the world like this, he doesn't care about facts and he doesn't care about other people's feelings, all that matters to him is that he appears influential, that he has some form of impact in the community. He doesn't care if that impact is good or bad, only that it is caused by him and can become a point he can show off about in front of his friends. That is the basis of all far right extremism.

Well that's made me feel less guilty about buying cards now.
And you've just described his intention to a tee.

I don't have him as a friend but I know of him and his comment appeared on a post of a Facebook friend of mine.

I also find it needless to tell people who aren't acting like children to grow up. Or maybe it's just an expression.

 

[ManuelXX]

Today on Facebook someone posted a lecture aimed towards everyone who sends out Christmas cards. He said that we should all "grow up" and to think of all the trees they cut down to make the Christmas cards, and then we send them only for them to be thrown away.

While I think trees are important, people have been sending out cards for years, in fact it's old-fashioned tradition. And if he has that attitude then I wonder if he thinks the same about wrapping paper, gift tags, and everything else associated with not only Christmas but birthdays and all the other holidays?

I think every time a tree is cut down, a new tree should be planted. But I don't really want this thread to turn political. The point is, I just didn't think much to his post, even though it wasn't aimed at me of course, but it suddenly made me feel guilty for...celebrating Christmas and other holidays the traditional way.

Some people are just so miserable. And no, he isn't religious.

Managers of factories which pollute a lot should feel guilty, but of course that's not the same for you, who are using Christmas cards. It's normal. And sometimes Christmas cards are made by recycled paper

 

[Misty Avich]

Managers of factories which pollute a lot should feel guilty, but of course that's not the same for you, who are using Christmas cards. It's normal. And sometimes Christmas cards are made by recycled paper

Yes, and I always recycle Christmas cards.

 

[tazz]

The trees are Farmed - planted specifically for the purpose of making paper.

Hmm... But others would say that a lot those tree farms are large areas of land that have been stripped of their natural habitat in order to plant just one type of tree that is good for paper-making. And the farmers use a bunch of pesticides and fertilizers to ensure that the trees can grow fast and profitably. Resulting in a lack of biodiversity and the destruction of habitat for all sorts of creatures.

As usual, the situation is not very clear at all for consumers, particularly at the point of consumption.

I didn't do a particularly thorough search to find some sources for this, but here's a link to an article in New Scientist magazine last year that makes reference to this (along with some positive news about research showing that planting more diverse stock actually produces more wood):

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...iverse-species-grow-better-than-monocultures/

 

[Forest Cat]

He's obviously not very well educated either. Paper is made from a combination of Pine timber and recycled cloth. The trees are Farmed - planted specifically for the purpose of making paper. It's not like anyone is chopping down rare tropical hardwoods, in fact hardwoods are entirely unsuitable for making paper.

Yeah I live in a place where wood and lumber is the main industry. Most of it is pine. The way it's done is to plant new trees on the patches where old trees has been removed and 20 years later there are new trees there. The local pine grows fast, around 2 feet/50cm a year. It has been done like this for a very long time and this area is still covered with forest. They don't clear huge areas, just one patch here and one patch there.

 

[tazz]

Yeah I live in a place where wood and lumber is the main industry. Most of it is pine. The way it's done is to plant news trees on the patches where old trees has been removed and 20 years later there are new trees there. The local pine grows fast, around 2 feet/50cm a year. It has been done like this for a very long time and this area is still covered with forest. They don't clear huge areas, just one patch here and one patch there.

That sounds promising.

 

[Mary Terry]

Yes, and I always recycle Christmas cards.

I used to give my children the cards from the previous year which they then cut up and used to make new greeting cards, gift wrap and gift tags.

 

[Neonatal RRT]

Today on Facebook someone posted a lecture aimed towards everyone who sends out Christmas cards. He said that we should all "grow up" and to think of all the trees they cut down to make the Christmas cards, and then we send them only for them to be thrown away.

I think every time a tree is cut down, a new tree should be planted. But I don't really want this thread to turn political. The point is, I just didn't think much to his post, even though it wasn't aimed at me of course, but it suddenly made me feel guilty for...celebrating Christmas and other holidays the traditional way.

Some people are just so miserable. And no, he isn't religious.

This person seems to be a classic combination of (1) the Dunning-Kruger effect, as someone with little knowledge and high confidence, (2) a virtue signaling "environmentalist", (3) a "negative Nancy"

Consider the source, then ignore.

 

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Hmm... But others would say that a lot those tree farms are large areas of land that have been stripped of their natural habitat in order to plant just one type of tree that is good for paper-making.

This is entirely true. Australia has no native pine trees and we cleared thousands of hectares of native bush in order to plant them - no herbicides and pesticides here though, not legally anyway.

 

[Mary Terry]

That sounds promising.

We own and live on a tree farm. Trees are a renewable crop which should be managed like tomato, corn, soybeans and any other crops. A prudent tree farmer ensures diversity of trees to offset the risk of losses due to drought, excess rain, and other natural disasters. We will never harvest our trees because we love the forest as it is - home to a wide diversity of animal and plant life.

 

[tazz]

Just in case my posts were misconstrued by anyone, I wasn't trying to shame anyone for buying christmas cards. I think there's probably so much stuff going on (good and bad) in the paper industry, that I can't really offer any well-informed opinions on it. It's a big and complicated industry is the only point I was trying to make.

I don't know if I'm on the right track here, but it seems to me that buying cards that are recycled or have the FSC mark (in the UK) and making sure I recycle any cards I receive is probably a responsible way to indulge in the Christmas card tradition.

 

[Forest Cat]

I just want to point out that people shouldn't throw away Christmas cards. They should be put in a box and kept as a memory of the people who sent them. It can be nice to have later.

 

[The Pandector]

There are those who feel that morality is about living your life according to standards of the best outcome for the most people. These people have been marginalized for upholding moral standards, which themselves have fallen into general disfavor. In fact, having or supporting moral standards is a real red flag these days; I find it to be the new moral standard to divorce oneself from moral standards.

Thanks to the tireless efforts of a manipulative media and a punch-drunk church, moral standards which reach for the best for the most have been replaced by a new morality. Now, morality is equated to whatever is most often repeated, no rationality required. Therefore, the ability to discern what is best for most is being replaced with the ability to reflect current moral fashion.

Consequently, the public square is filled with people who Want and Need to be seen as moral, but have no concept of (and feel no obligation towards) ascertaining the general good, which renders futile any attempt to ascertain morality.

Consequently, we are constantly nattered by people of flaccid self esteem who take up whatever banner they think will make them look good. These are today’s high priests, thinking they absorb the righteousness of whatever empty slogan adorns their banner. Just like the costume rental shop, you can always find a recognizable meme to take on as your new moral identity.

Your Christmas card commando is a sad little person; see if maybe receiving a Christmas card will cheer him up. Maybe select one which points out that man’s own righteousness is like filthy used bandages, but real righteousness is imputed through faith. It’ll give him something to think about this Christmas season.

 

[Mr. Stevens]

Well, cards, wrapping paper, etc. are largely wasteful. I don't see how you can argue otherwise since most of it goes right in the trash. I don't see how tradition outweighs valuing the planet and what allows us to exist.

That doesn't mean everyone who celebrates is evil, but people lived just fine before all these "traditions" existed.

 

[Mary Terry]

LOL, some people just hate others being happy.. bah humbug

Absolutely! We must not let joy or happiness break through! LOL.

 

[Progster]

Sounds like a classic kind of "better than thou" mentality. Virtue signalling. If people really want to help the environment, not eating so much meat would be a good place to start. Also, get rid of this fast fashion/throwaway culture. Keep using things until they are worn out, not buy new stuff every time a new model/new style comes out.