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Reading Ulysses for Pure Fun

Is Ulysses a novel that you can read for pure fun? That’s like saying you’re going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro for pure fun. Both activities are very complex and difficult in their different ways, and if you really want to fathom a book like Ulysses, you’re going to have to “use a bit of muscle,” so to speak.

I also recall reading once that James Joyce said he didn’t even know what Ulysses is about—ha! So I don’t know if “mostly right about everything” applies here, does it? What are your thoughts?
 
Ohh we thought you were talking about the poem by Tennyson. My daughter and I both love that one.

It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Match'd with an aged wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel: I will drink
Life to the lees: All times I have enjoy'd
Greatly, have suffer'd greatly, both with those
That loved me, and alone, on shore, and when
Thro' scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vext the dim sea: I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart
Much have I seen and known; cities of men
And manners, climates, councils, governments,
Myself not least, but honour'd of them all;
And drunk delight of battle with my peers,
Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy.
I am a part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethro'
Gleams that untravell'd world whose margin fades
For ever and forever when I move.
How dull it is to pause, to make an end,
To rust unburnish'd, not to shine in use!
As tho' to breathe were life! Life piled on life
Were all too little, and of one to me
Little remains: but every hour is saved
From that eternal silence, something more,
A bringer of new things; and vile it were
For some three suns to store and hoard myself,
And this gray spirit yearning in desire
To follow knowledge like a sinking star,
Beyond the utmost bound of human thought.

This is my son, mine own Telemachus,
To whom I leave the sceptre and the isle,—
Well-loved of me, discerning to fulfil
This labour, by slow prudence to make mild
A rugged people, and thro' soft degrees
Subdue them to the useful and the good.
Most blameless is he, centred in the sphere
Of common duties, decent not to fail
In offices of tenderness, and pay
Meet adoration to my household gods,
When I am gone. He works his work, I mine.

There lies the port; the vessel puffs her sail:
There gloom the dark, broad seas. My mariners,
Souls that have toil'd, and wrought, and thought with me—
That ever with a frolic welcome took
The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed
Free hearts, free foreheads—you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honour and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

****

Now, if you don't mind me, I'll be listening to Disraeli Gears by Cream...
 
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The poem by Tennyson was the origin of the phrase in Bruce Springsteen's song, Hungry Heart.
 
Is Ulysses a novel that you can read for pure fun? That’s like saying you’re going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro for pure fun. Both activities are very complex and difficult in their different ways, and if you really want to fathom a book like Ulysses, you’re going to have to “use a bit of muscle,” so to speak.

I think despite the layers of complexity literary works may have, ideally they should be enjoyable even at a superficial level. Ulysses has a reputation for being hard, and a deep study of it, one which is very much worth it if one has the time, should require a great deal of erudition. But I also think that this book, is often hilarious at a superficial reading, without tracking all the references and untangling all the puzzles.
There are some chapters that are still a struggle, but remains an overall fun book.

(Now I kind of want to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro, taking note of it for things I'd like to do someday!)

I also recall reading once that James Joyce said he didn’t even know what Ulysses is about—ha! So I don’t know if “mostly right about everything” applies here, does it? What are your thoughts?

The guy's comments on Ulysses are not the kind of analysis that you will find in a book or journal. They're elementary, only a few guiding concepts, so there isn't much opportunity for going wrong; still there may be mistakes to be found, for example in his commentary of chapter 3 when he talks about Stephen going in fact to visit his aunt, while in the novel he's just sitting on a rock while thinking about it if I recall correctly.
 

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