Reality might not be real.

[Voltaic]

If I apply Occam's Razor, I can deduce giving one large assumption that I am the only one that exists in this world. Given the nature of this situation, from your perspective, you can deduce the same, you are the only one that exists. The one and only thing we can prove to exists 100% is the existence of our own conscious. Everything else, including our senses, the fundamental way we gather information from this world can be false. applying Occam's Razor, a philosophical rule, that states that the assumption with the least amount of conjectures, or guesses is the one that is most likely right. You can assume you are one in a billion in this overly complicated world, or you can assume that the way that I perceive this world is false, kind of like the matrix. The problem with this outlook is that we have to assume reality, not the world I perceive as is, has less assumptions about the natural world. The unanswered philosophical and scientific questions have definitive answers. which in itself is a large assumption, almost making the use of Occam's Razor not worth it. In the end, it comes down to what you might think is the larger Assumption. The world we perceive is false, or it is true.

In abstract. The assumption that reality is not what we perceive is a reasonable conclusion, due to the limitations in what we can prove to be real. We have to make an abundance of assumptions in order to believe that the senses of our bodies are reliable. So many assumptions, one can also say with a equal or lesser amount that the reality we see is not real.


All this aside, have you ever believed something like this? That you where the one this world is centred around? Or that something was not right about the reality we live in?

In a way, I do believe something might be up, but not on logic but a hope that this depressing reality is not the real one. And I find that believing trump is a real person somewhat difficult This belief doesn't affect my actions. Kind of just a thought in the back of my mind.

 

[OkRad]

Seems to pertain in many ways , indeed. When it comes to eternal verities, yes, it's obvious that somethng is askew about what we believe.
But when it comes to people? Wow......you can conjecture all you want and be so far off the mark it's not even funny.
HOwever, the wider scope stuff? If someone leaves you to suffer in your oown feces and you never get help from them when you are dying in the road (people or gods), well, yu can assume they are not your friends and there is no higher agenda.
But when someone sneers at you, you might be able to assume they did not get a like on their cat picture on FB. Or something similar.
You have to know basic human behaviour to make the Razor applicaable.

 

[Fridgemagnetman]

My fantasy soccee team used to be called the :

Solipsistic church apostate.

You know solipsism?

 

[Voltaic]

Seems to pertain in many ways , indeed. When it comes to eternal verities, yes, it's obvious that somethng is askew about what we believe.
But when it comes to people? Wow......you can conjecture all you want and be so far off the mark it's not even funny.
HOwever, the wider scope stuff? If someone leaves you to suffer in your oown feces and you never get help from them when you are dying in the road (people or gods), well, yu can assume they are not your friends and there is no higher agenda.
But when someone sneers at you, you might be able to assume they did not get a like on their cat picture on FB. Or something similar.
You have to know basic human behaviour to make the Razor applicaable.

My idea is that other people are part of the false perception on reality as with everything you would interact with on a day to day basis. To be honest, I have no idea what part of my argument you where critiquing, I don't see anything pertaining to individuals. We can only prove our own conscious exsists. for me, I can only prove I exists, for you, you can only prove your's exists. for all you know, I am an algorithm just typing on the internet with no body or actual continuos. Likewise for me looking at you.

My fantasy soccee team used to be called the :

Solipsistic church apostate.

You know solipsism?

Nope, I heard the name before though. Off to Google.

Post Google: I don't remember reading into this, but it sounds exactly like what I am talking about. Not to surprised this has been thought up well before I was born.

 

[Gracey]

My reality is all I have.

I muddle along parallel to others who exist in their own version of their reality.

Whose reality is the one We all need to live?
Mine?
Or a million different versions belonging to others?


Your reality is real to you.

 

[Voltaic]

My reality is all I have.

I muddle along parallel to others who exist in their own version of their reality.

Whose reality is the one We all need to live?
Mine?
Or a million different versions belonging to others?


Your reality is real to you.

I love this train of thought.

In the end, it doesn't matter. Reality, for most is the perception they experience. A perception of reality, true or not, that one can not escape is their reality. They live it, they breath it, it is all they will ever know. It doesn't matter if it is real or not to them, it is all they ever will have, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Gracey]

We can't escape it but we can make small changes to our own reality by changing some understandings and beliefs which in turn will alter our own perception thus altering our own reality slightly

It doesn't need to matter to anyone else ...

...erm? ...off the top of my head, ...unless of course we break the law in some way.

Actions have consequences amongst society.

If our 'reality' involves breaking the laws of the land,
**** will suddenly get real

 

[Fridgemagnetman]

Actions have consequences amongst society

Well you could have told me that yesterday.

*** just got real.

 

[Tom]

Only when under very heavy medication... like Morphine.

 

[Voltaic]

one of the explanations for the 'real' reality is a computer simulation. Yes, I know. It sounds like The Matrix, but there are some pointers. Our universe strictly follows mathematical laws. almost to a point of a 'clockwork universe' where given all the data and the right equations, and a large enough computer, one can calculate the future with utmost certainty, and compute the past as well. Quantum Mechanics stepped in and spit on this theories face, but I like the emerging field of pilot wave theory, which states that the Heisenberg uncertanty principle is from our lack of information, not a underlying randomness. Which fits into the computer simulation model a lot better.

That was a whole bunch of unintelligible scientific nonsense. To explain in the same language, we could predict future outcomes of systems by knowing enough about them. If I throw a ball and I know how hard I threw it and in what direction, I can calculate where it lands. I can also calculate the interactions with that ball and other objects. Knowing enough about a system, I can calculate how it would evolve over time by calculating each part and interaction. Quantum mechanics says that we can not know everything about a quantum particle. So if we wanted to mathematically describe a system perfectly to every interaction between every particle, we would not be able to calculate how the system would evolve over time with certainty. Pilot wave theory says that this uncertainty is from our limitations of gathering information, and not from a underlying uncertainty.

 

[WereBear]

Nope. Reality is messing with me seriously lately, and if I were the only one on the world, it would make so much more sense.

 

[Judge]

Every plane of existence is real, IMO. However how a person relates to the plane of existence they're on in real time may be mutually exclusive relative to the plane of existence where they normally reside.

 

[pjcnet]

What is reality?

What if someone else sees the colour red as you see the colour blue? How do you know they don't? Who is right? Can you describe the colour red or the colour blue? Perhaps everyone sees colours in different ways and that's why some people like certain colours better than others. There is no right or wrong way to see a colour.

How do you know that the reality of dreams isn't just a "real" as waking reality? Perhaps what you see in your dreams is another type of matter and perhaps you can create a similar "matter" when you visualise objects or even full environments in your mind. This isn't as non believed as you may think, why do you think spiritualism involves so many visualisation exercises? (Edit: For instance if can imagine yourself inside an impenetrable bubble of energy that is surrounding you it can allegedly provide you spiritual protection.)

How long is a day? Well officially it's 24 hours, but do you remember how long a day was when you was a very young child? You could do a lot in a day and it seemed to last for ages, now as you get older a day seems much shorter and eventually weeks seem to pass faster than a single day used to back then, so your perception of time changes. Your perception of time also varies when you enjoy yourself, are fully occupied or are bored, when you're bored time is perceived slower. When you're asleep you think time travels extremely fast, or even jumps, but you often forget dreams and dreams can be perceived as lasting quite a long time when in our time you may only dream for a few moments. How long would a day be to say a 5 year old dog, it's probably very different to them? How long would a day be to a fly, in fact how would a fly perceive reality in the first place? Now how long would a day be if you were dead? It may not be perceived at all and therefore be perceived as instant / nothing, but if you were a spirit how long would a day be? Believers of spirits sometimes conclude that many spirits are confused by what year it is in our time, it could have been for instance 100 years since their physical death, yet to them they may believe it only just happened. So what is time? Perhaps your point in time is only as you perceive it to be while other people are currently perceiving time at other points in history. In other words perhaps to someone else they are living under President George Washington now and to them that is the current time and reality? Perhaps when people report seeing ghosts (E.g. a replay of an event), it's not a replay at all, but time punching through as it actually happens in our past, often caused by times of high emotion, fear or major change. Note that I have actually seen a "ghost" of a woman in a black mourning dress as clearly as I can see living people now and I truly believed it was a living person for around 10 seconds until she literally faded and obliterated into nothing before my very eyes (Edit: I was wide awake and standing at the time BTW, the very same lady had been described in the past by various other people at the same location and people believe she committed suicide after her soldier lover died in the English Civil War).

So I ask again, what is reality? Well to you it's what you perceive, but to another consciousness it could be very different and I don't necessary mean just human consciousness, there are animals and maybe spirits / other forms of consciousness too, but yes, if your reality was a simulation then to you it would also be just reality.


PS: The word "colour" is spelt correctly in Great Britain, in the USA it's spelt "color", there are many variances between British and USA spellings, much more than many people think, please click here for more.

 

[Fridgemagnetman]

What is reality?

What if someone else sees the colour red as you see the colour blue? How do you know they don't? Who is right? Can you describe the colour red or the colour blue? Perhaps everyone sees colours in different ways and that's why some people like certain colours better than others. There is no right or wrong way to see a colour.

How do you know that the reality of dreams isn't just a "real" as waking reality? Perhaps what you see in your dreams is another type of matter and perhaps you can create a similar "matter" when you visualise objects or even full environments in your mind. This isn't as non believed as you may think, why do you think spiritualism involves so many visualisation exercises?

How long is a day? Well officially it's 24 hours, but do you remember how long a day was when you was a very young child? You could do a lot in a day and it seemed to last for ages, now as you get older a day seems much shorter and eventually weeks seem to pass faster than a single day used to back then, so your perception of time changes. Your perception of time also varies when you enjoy yourself, are fully occupied or are bored, when you're bored time is perceived slower. When you're asleep you think time travels extremely fast, or even jumps, but you often forget dreams and dreams can be perceived as lasting quite sometime when in our time you may only dream for a few moments. How long would a day be to say a 5 year old dog, it's probably very different to them? How long would a day be to a fly, in fact how would a fly perceive reality in the first place? Now how long would a day be if you were dead? It may not be perceived at all and therefore be perceived as instant / nothing, but if you were a spirit how long would a day be? Believers of spirits sometimes conclude that many spirits are confused by what year it is in our time, it could have been for instance 100 years since their physical death, yet to them they may believe it only just happened. So what is time? Perhaps your point in time is only as you perceive it to be while other people are currently perceiving time at other points in history. In other words perhaps to someone else they are living under President George Washington now and to them that is the current time and reality? Perhaps when people report seeing ghosts (E.g. a replay of an event), it's not a replay at all, but time punching through as it actually happens in our past, often caused by times of high emotion, fear or major change. Note that I have actually seen a "ghost" of a woman in a black mourning dress as clearly as I can see living people now and I truly believed it was a living person for around 10 seconds until she literally faded and obliterated into nothing before my very eyes.

So I ask again, what is reality? Well to you it's what you perceive, but to another consciousness it could be very different and I don't necessary mean just human consciousness, there are animals and maybe spirits / other forms of consciousness too, but yes, if your reality was a simulation then to you it would also be reality.


PS: The word "colour" is spelt correctly in Great Britain, in the USA it's spelt "color", there are many variances between British and USA spellings, much more than many people think, please click here for more.

Also in french coleur et il, is what time is it.

Show me your original face, the face you had before you were born..

Without language tell me what on earth 'that' is.

That kind of thing

 

[WereBear]

While these are intriguing philosphical concepts, I don’t let my senses distort my concept of actual reality. My thoughts are that Reality exists in a concerete and verifiable way, regardless of what my senses are doing.

I need to monitor both. Reality is out there no matter how my brain interprets it.

 

[Judge]

I need to monitor both. Reality is out there no matter how my brain interprets it.

What if part of reality is an inherent, deliberate "intervention" of sorts to keep you from knowing all of what your reality actually entails?

After all, if one had all the answers, there would be no need to attend any "school".

Granted, while humans aren't rats, would a rat still go through a maze if it actually knew it was merely a maze?

 

[WereBear]

What if part of reality is an inherent, deliberate "intervention" of sorts to keep you from knowing all of what your reality actually entails?

You mean like public and religious schools?

After all, if one had all the answers, there would be no need to attend any "school".

I don’t see what one has to do with the other. We learn best by observing as much unfiltered reality as we can. Literacy and driving are human inventions, and we need some form of teaching, but even infants can understand the uses of cause and effect.

Granted, while humans aren't rats, would a rat still go through a maze if it actually knew it was merely a maze?

Yep. Because so often, mazes have cheese at the end

 

[Judge]

You mean like public and religious schools?

LOL. No. I'm thinking of a cosmic hierarchy a tad higher than that.

That we're only here to learn some kind of lesson we crafted for ourselves, but on another, very different plane of existence. But if we truly knew all the answers, there would be no point in carrying out the lesson. So we exist here without all the answers- by design.

Though while we are here we are free to speculate, as both you or I do. No harm, no foul.

Yep. Because so often, mazes have cheese at the end

No incentive would actually matter if the rat knew it already had a round-trip ticket. Besides, personal enlightenment doesn't often happen by remaining at a standstill.

 

[Crossbreed]

Reality might not be real.

Real or not, it is awfully constraining...!

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

 

[Fridgemagnetman]

Man cant stand too much reality.
Sartre