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Social experiments.

Autistamatic

He's just this guy, you know?
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Recently I stumbled across an old thread started by a self-confessed psychopath who asked to understand Autistic minds better.
I have questions for Aspies.
He suggested that he liked Autistic people but that he found them hard to read and therefore difficult to manipulate. This made him uncomfortable because he was used to being able to control everyone else which had afforded him wealth and social status. It was received with mixed feelings, some were quite disturbed by it, others approached it with a more open mind and shared information.

It put me in mind of a particular variety of social experiment involving social media communities that I read about some time ago and have seen mentioned on Twitter recently too.
The experimenter creates two completely different profiles on a platform discussing a particular topic. Let's say for example it's a forum discussing ecological issues.

Profile A claims to be a great supporter of their ideals. They are a fount of knowledge and want to share it with others. They share their belief in climate change, their determination to eliminate plastic from the oceans, support for alternative energy and more. They essentially are the most enthusiastic sounding proponent of the subject the community is focused on.

Profile B claims to be a former ecologist and a scientist. They used to believe in all the same ideas the community members do, but they have been disillusioned by science and the extremely blinkered nature of the typical community members. They claim that they know a truth they don't wish to see and they have been made unpopular because of it, but they have the proof. Shun them if you wish, but then you'll never know.

Profile C is a control. This personality is set up prior to the experiment by a few weeks to ascertain the structure and tone of the community so it can go with the flow, being neither exceptional nor controversial.

The experimenter places enough posts to make their claims for both primary fictional personalities to look credible then retreats and posts no more, certainly not offering any of the evidence or information either profile has professed to be willing to share. They then wait and see what the responses are.

Originally the point of the experiment was to see how the communities reacted between the two extremes and compared to the control. Was there more reaction to the positive profile A or to the antagonistic profile B? How much emotional content was there in the responses? How willing were people to share personal information in such posts? Did people become suspicious of their motives?

It can also have slightly more sinister overtones. By conducting the exercise aggressively, data can be gathered about individuals and the group as a whole. It can be used as a recruitment tool to rally the disaffected to a cause, or manipulate those who are committed to the existing cause into doubting their conviction. To some it may be seen as entertainment - a variety of trolling - winding up the members being seen as a kind of sport, even using profile c to comment on the other two and further stir the pot. It can even be a challenge to some, scored on the number of responses they get for the least number of posts.

I have to wonder - given that we are such a diverse community, full of strong personalities many of whom are usually very pragmatic and sceptical, how would we react as individuals and as a whole, if such an experiment were to be conducted on us?
 
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As we have seen very recently, we have had a similar scenario here if viewed under the experiment lens. The general population are us, then "one of us" stirs the pot with the reverse point of view "cure for our condition" thing. Hilarity ensues. Now we can go back and see if any of the experimental markers they measured it all by apply in our case scenario.
I mean, from what I've seen, people do share some personal information here on the more positive threads, but nowhere near enough to identify anyone really. The negative threads get people talking as we're not really prone to get emotional and react blindly, there is usually intelligent conversation going on even when someone REALLY disagrees.

Either way, now I have to go read the psychopath thread, thanks for sharing it, I find that sort of stuff fascinating. :D
 
By conducting the exercise aggressively, data can be gathered about individuals and the group as a whole.

I never cease to be amazed (and sometimes amused) at how people "just don't get it". Globally speaking, we live in a total surveillance grid. On a national level it is called a "police state". Back in the 1960's "they" had spy (surveillance) satellites with the ability in "look" down in real time and read the date off of a coin. With the expanded capabilities of agencies such as the NSA, DIA, NGI, NRO, etc. - whatever you do, wherever you go, whatever you say, etc. - nothing is private and everybody is digitally scrutinized "in real time".
 
I never cease to be amazed (and sometimes amused) at how people "just don't get it". Globally speaking, we live in a total surveillance grid. On a national level it is called a "police state". Back in the 1960's "they" had spy (surveillance) satellites with the ability in "look" down in real time and read the date off of a coin. With the expanded capabilities of agencies such as the NSA, DIA, NGI, NRO, etc. - whatever you do, wherever you go, whatever you say, etc. - nothing is private and everybody is digitally scrutinized "in real time".

I don't think we're on the same page here. This doesn't relate to global surveillance grids or internet snoopers like Cambridge Analytica, it's an academic experiment which has been adapted and reapplied by agitators and trolls - not something done on a national or international scale.
 
@Autistamatic - Methods for profiling individuals and/or groups takes on many disguises. "Academic experiments" is one of them. I.E. - corporate retailers do it for "marketing". "Agitators and trolls" may just be the mask worn by those "searching" for whatever their "data mining" objective calls for.
 
I was waiting for the results. :)
It's scary to think about the person coming on here to find out about aspies - like he was trying to learn how to manage control over them, too.
I spent an entire summer talking to an FBI agent about my ex. He told me that my ex was using a form of brainwashing and explained to me how he did it. It was for control and being naïve, I easily fell into it. But at the same time I quickly learned what not to disclose to him. I knew not to argue with him and if something was really important to me I kept it to myself because I knew he could change my way of thinking. When he learned that I was taking our 2 year old son to church in Bozeman he forbade to take him again. I didn't argue about it. I knew he'd be leaving in a day or 2 back on the truck and I'd take my son to church and he didn't have to know about it.
But, seriously, this guy could convince you that the white horse in the brown truck you are looking at is actually a brown horse in a white truck. You'd drive away and you'd have no idea which it was. It wasn't until I seen him do it to someone else, though, that I figured out he was doing this to me.
One thing was really funny - I was not allowed to open the mail (even mail to me) immediately. If I did, he'd say I was being childish and wouldn't speak to me for a couple days and he was the only person I had to talk to (no one in my family knew where I was). So, of course, I'd bring the mail in and let it sit. But once I received a card from his mom and he was in the other room so I was being quiet and opened it. It was one of those cards that plays music when you open it. My first thought was an alarm. lol Another time with the mail - he was on the truck and asked if a package came addressed to me? I said yes (I had opened it and it was a book) and he told me not to open it until he got home so I said okay. I put it in a new envelope, glued the labels on it and spent an hour drawing the postage stamp to look real. lol
So, being naïve I could be manipulated, but being imaginative I could still do things my way and just not get caught - so it probably WOULD be difficult to gain complete control over someone on the spectrum. lol
 
Sure they can be @Bedlamite but they can also be nasty little people doing it for mischief or to further a much less ambitious agenda. Big Brother may be watching you, but he's not behind everything that goes on on the internet.
 
It's likely that I would be able to see through the ruse. Having experienced this sort of manipulative 'play' while working, in my early home life, by people I've known. I didn't answer or participate in the original question for those reasons. I don't join in on these sorts of things and really never have. The only membership in a group setting I have is here on this forum.
 
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Ewww I just read the thread you are talking about and it sounds a lot like my ex. :eek: But he knows I think he is a sociopath, while he has been diagnosed as bipolar. I'm sure that's the diagnosis he acted out - he is NOT bipolar. I lived with him. I watched him do what he does, and that's probably why he doesn't get upset when I diagnose him as sociopath. He doesn't know how NOT to lie - even our kids know they can't take what he says seriously. I don't know why I've always still been drawn to him - wait - sociopaths tend to do that with their magnetic personalities. And he does. People who hate what he has done can not dislike him.

Sometimes it may seem like I'm too open about myself. I am. Years ago everything about my life became an open book and you will probably still find me in the files of the FBI. So I no longer feel the need to hide my past. Some of my weaknesses - yes, I hide them to protect myself.
 
@Autistamatic - I concur. Maybe, because of my background, I am more circumspect than others. I guess sharing information exemplifying "the extent" to which everyone is potentially surveilled is useless?
 
@Autistamatic - I concur. Maybe, because of my background, I am more circumspect than others. I guess sharing information exemplifying "the extent" to which everyone is potentially surveilled is useless?

It's far from "useless" but it's an aside to the topic at hand. It doesn't mean it isn't to be discussed in this thread. Some people are going to disagree with you for certain, but that's no reason not to share it.
What I raised is that non-corporate, non-government private citizens have adapted this particular experiment to their own mischievous or malicious ends. I just felt that the distinction between the phenomena was worth making clear.
Small actors in private homes versus large scale actors in corporations and government. The tricks of the large actors are now accessible to the small scale enterprise in a way that wasn't possible only a few years ago.
 
But then, if you think about it - this forum is public and anyone can come in and read and learn what they want for whatever reasons they want. I usually have it in mind that whatever I say could be read by anyone.
 
But then, if you think about it - this forum is public and anyone can come in and read and learn what they want for whatever reasons they want. I usually have it in mind that whatever I say could be read by anyone.

So true - that is why I always keep a "presents of mind" to what information I reveal that isn't already public knowledge.
 
It means he wasn't just silly, he was SUPER silly....us

And Pax Autistica is a rare variation of Pac Man where instead of power pills he was powered up by Prozac and Ritalin
 
Or maybe supercilious is acting like you have superior knowledge (which he wasn't) and Pax Autistica is a reference to Pax Romana - a historical looooooong period of peace within the Roman Empire ;)
 

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