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Television Color And So Many Settings To Consider

Judge

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All compounded by someone with OCD. :rolleyes:

Weird- and frustrating after ten years to have to deal with colors issues of a new and more technologically television. Even when it is half the price of the one I replaced. Current televisions always come with so many settings determined by the manufacturer. Yet I've always found them somewhere between incorrect and repulsive! And yet I know my OCD plays a part in it all.

It's take three days of tinkering and experimenting with so many combinations of settings all to find my subjective vision of what an optimal picture looks like. Most often coming down to the setting that my new tv does not have compared to the old one. That which can enhance shades of flesh tones. Making them incrementally darker than the manufacturer's default settings. Leaving me to struggle to get faces a bit darker and redder compared to my previous television.

And of course with three sources (Cable tv, Roku and DVD) they all have slightly different considerations relative to a number of settings. Allowing me at least to experiment with one or the other in pursuit of what I am beginning to think is a lost cause. Luckily of course with so many different settings that can drastically impact the picture, I have begun writing down the ones I liked the best. But they still never seemed to be as good as what I used to have.

Oddly enough, only a half hour ago I turned on my tv that defaults to cable tv. Where I turned on a news broadcast which at the time had four diverse women on, who all have various shades of dark and light colors. It made me step back and gain more perspective of people with truly pale faces versus those with darker faces. Perhaps most of all, to notice that in predominantly news broadcasts, where in a studio they employ the most optimal lighting and colors. Yet in the 21st century, it's now routine to split the screen to depict both a studio news person, and their remotely viewed guest. With so many of those remotely viewed guests appearing ghastly in comparison. But then it's not rocket science to consider that these days the studios are depending on remote guests relying on their personal technology, which may at times be woefully inadequate. Particularly in employing too much lighting, which inherently makes a person with a pale complexion look even paler. And compensating by over-saturating color doesn't help.

My point? It's taken me three days not only to attempt to "optimize" my overall picture based on three sources, but also to accept the obvious. That I can't "globally" control such a thing visually whether I like it or not. That part of the ability to optimize my picture also involves depicting others with less-than-optimal lighting which so badly makes people look ill. All exacerbated by a lack of this flesh tone control I had on my previous television. Leaving broadcast news and commercials as a hit-or-miss proposition, and movies and television shows looking pretty good most of the times. Though indoor lighting seems sometimes inadequate, but that could be by design as well. leaving most outdoor shots to depict lighting and color relatively well.

However this rant isn't about a struggle with technology so much as my struggle with OCD. Though in either case at least I am slowly beginning to understand that I have little control in attempting to optimize the overall color of my new tv. And most of all that clearly there's nothing technically wrong with it. That between the variety of dynamic light sources and human complexions, I can control neither. And that I can spend another three days of tweaking only to find that I cannot get what I thought I once had. Meanwhile the sharpness of this new set at 1080p is excellent.

Just a little free insight into the mind of someone with OCD. Which more often than not is just one big PITA. :rolleyes:
 
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I can sort of understand your frustration, being an expert on colour I never controlled colour visually as it is very subjective. Most people have varying degrees of colour blindness all I cared about was differences in colour not the absolute colour. Fortunately, I have exceptional colour vision. If a musician was anal about thier audience not having perfect pitch they would be in big trouble. My audience was the general public garage doors even had to account for different lighting. Believe me it was fun funny when only person I took this into consideration.as I was one of very few people with formal training in how to control colour. I"M the guy who gets his wife to remove the stupid incandescent light bulbs from my house and switches them with LED daylight bulbs as they are more natural.
 
I"M the guy who gets his wife to remove the stupid incandescent light bulbs from my house and switches them with LED daylight bulbs as they are more natural.
Oh my. That's CRITICAL to me! 5000K bulbs or forget it!

Another frustration with my new tv. While I'm tempted to alter the picture mode to "natural", I keep it either on "standard" (cable broadcasts) or "movie" (Roku device & DVD). One of the features that has a "weighted influence" on the overall picture.

"Contrast Enhancer" also has such weighted influence. I use "Low" on cable broadcasts and "High" on Roku and DVD. With varying levels of brightness and contrast for all three sources.
 
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Years ago I got the design department to change their fluorescent bulbs.to chroma fifties as lED bulbs were not invented yet. Even when you go outside the time-of-day matters. Something I had fun teaching the management at my last position Nothing more fun ten my wife buying a pair of shoes to match an outfit and the realizing the colour is metameric.
 

Years ago I got the design department to change their fluorescent bulbs.to chroma fifties as lED bulbs were not invented yet. Even when you go outside the time-of-day matters. Something I had fun teaching the management at my last position Nothing more fun ten my wife buying a pair of shoes to match an outfit and the realizing the colour is metameric.
Oddly enough it reminds me of the producers of the tv show "CSI Miami" who insisted on shooting all outdoor shots using less than 5000k light. With the intent of accentuating a sense of heat while outdoors in Florida.

I get the intent, but the execution itself kept me from even bothering to watch the show. My bad.

Another epiphany I've had was that I have to adjust to media's technology that while improves film and video in lower light, it still leaves me at times struggling with it. Reminding me of a 70s film called "Barry Lyndon" which first came out with a new technology of filming exclusively in candlelight. That trying to get the tv settings to work for deliberately low light settings just isn't in the cards.
 
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After three days of struggle, I finally found one set of settings that I can apply to all three sources that seem to work the best so far:

Picture Mode: Standard
Brightness: 26/50
Contrast: 34/50
Sharpness: 12/20 (Cable TV) 11/20 (Roku & DVD Player)
Color: 34/50
Tint: 0/10
Noise Reduction: On
Contrast Enhancer: High
Color Tone: Standard
Gamma: 0/5
Shadow Detail: 4/5
Color Space Settings: Native

One thing for sure, with a coventional LCD panel style tv, it's best not to use the absolute highest settings on contrast and brightness, as they may enhance the possibility of screen burn-in, which may or may not be fixable. Of course choosing the "high" setting of the contract enhancer could be problematic, though I'm willing to take the chance.

If you do get all those settings the way you want it, don't forget to write them all down!

It all makes me wonder how many people simply use a television right out of the box without changing much of anything. But there's nothing we can do about uneven light sources whether indoors or outdoors apart from how they can impact lighter complexions. It all comes down to "trial and error" for those of us in pursuit of an optimal picture that more often than not is probably unattainable under such circumstances.
 
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I feel your pain! I go through a similar process with a new, or rather as is usually the case for me, used TV.

I find that people have some pretty weird preferences for colour/brightness/contrast settings. Often any TV I've inherited has ridiculously over saturated colour. Poor contrast and brightness overall.

It takes me a while to dial things in. I tend to prefer more inky blacks and defined contrast. It's a weird balancing act as often now you can change the intensity of the backlight.

I use a similar strategy to the one recommended in my first computers manual, which advised to turn up the contrast to full and then the brightness down to the lowest setting (it was a mono CRT). From there adjust to taste.

So I'd imagine to a lot of other people's eyes, my TV would look a bit dark, however, I can see detail and it looks more like a CRT screen.

Colour I find to be a bit difficult to adjust to my taste. Sometimes humans perceive an increase in colour saturation as an increase in brightness, so I tend to flit back and forth between these two settings until I have something I consider optimal.

I'm looking forward to the day LCD panels can genuinely rival CRT for contrast ratio. I would also like something that emulates phosphor persistence. I just always found that pleasant and somewhat comforting for some reason I'm not sure of.

I'm sure that OLED would be highly recommended, but I will likely never own one due to cost and I would be reluctant anyway due to the wear issues.
 
Yes, colour control is fun I spent 40 years dealing with it from appliances to automobiles.to printing. Thats what happens when a dream cannot be followed frustrated theoretical physicist. Life takes you in a different direction.
I feel your pain! I go through a similar process with a new, or rather as is usually the case for me, used TV.

I find that people have some pretty weird preferences for colour/brightness/contrast settings. Often any TV I've inherited has ridiculously over saturated colour. Poor contrast and brightness overall.

It takes me a while to dial things in. I tend to prefer more inky blacks and defined contrast. It's a weird balancing act as often now you can change the intensity of the backlight.

I use a similar strategy to the one recommended in my first computers manual, which advised to turn up the contrast to full and then the brightness down to the lowest setting (it was a mono CRT). From there adjust to taste.

So I'd imagine to a lot of other people's eyes, my TV would look a bit dark, however, I can see detail and it looks more like a CRT screen.

Colour I find to be a bit difficult to adjust to my taste. Sometimes humans perceive an increase in colour saturation as an increase in brightness, so I tend to flit back and forth between these two settings until I have something I consider optimal.

I'm looking forward to the day LCD panels can genuinely rival CRT for contrast ratio. I would also like something that emulates phosphor persistence. I just always found that pleasant and somewhat comforting for some reason I'm not sure of.

I'm sure that OLED would be highly recommended, but I will likely never own one due to cost and I would be reluctant anyway due to the wear issues.
In the past you had the same thing with sound systems go to a bar where the DJ has the base cranked and the amp starts clipping. really irritating trust us quality guys back in the factory we do know what we were doing.
 
I'm sure that OLED would be highly recommended, but I will likely never own one due to cost and I would be reluctant anyway due to the wear issues.
Indeed, there's a distinct possibility that OLED technology address all these issues. Screen burn-in is allegedly a thing of the past at this point in time. Something that OLED technology was notorious for in the past. Though for that reason I'd want only the latest in 4k OLED.

Though in my own case while I'd love to have the newest technology, as you pointed out it's very expensive, apart from the fact that 4X televisions are notorious for not being able to display a DVD without some degree of pixelation. That the upconverting process from 1080 to 4K just doesn't work well for conventional progressive scan (480p) DVDs.

While I played around the idea of having a second television to display my DVDs, I quickly found that the only spot in my living room leaves the screen opposite my living room window, with far too much reflection. So yeah, in my case I still require one tv set that is capable of both 1080p and the ability to play DVDs optimally rather than dismally.
 
I feel your pain! I go through a similar process with a new, or rather as is usually the case for me, used TV.
Is it possible that we on the spectrum are simply going through yet another forced change that we so resent?

Much like having to navigate the same grocery store that perpetually changes the location of foods.
 
Keep in mind colour on TV is emitted colour rather than reflected colour, like a picture or any other coloured object.
 
Is it possible that we on the spectrum are simply going through yet another forced change that we so resent?

Much like having to navigate the same grocery store that perpetually changes the location of foods.
I absolutely hate it when grocery stores do that! I mean, I have my route all planned, minimal interaction all worked out, I'm like a shopping ninja...that's thrown off their game as soon as they spring a change on me!

I kinda like watching hi Def stuff, but in all honesty, unless I'm reasonably close to the screen, I can make out much of a difference. I appreciate the convenience of LCD screens and their low power requirements.

In some ways I feel like all hi Def did was make the picture look as impressive as SD did on a quality standard Def CRT. Does that make sense?

Personally, I'm happy enough with a good quality DVD picture. I can somewhat perceive the wider colour gamut on Blu-ray, but when I'm engrossed in watching a movie, I tend not to "see" it after a while.

But what does irritate me is pixelation as you have mentioned. Or that softness that occurs when the resolution doesn't match or is not scaled well.

A while back, I noticed a news channel my dad was watching was being broadcast (over the air) in a pixelated form. Like a YouTube video that has dropped to the lowest bandwidth. I think it had something to do with them doing some "musical chairs" with the frequencies the channels were multiplexed on.

I found it really irritating and couldn't watch, whereas everyone else couldn't see what I was complaining about :smilecat:

I also had an issue back when I used to use Kodi to play DVDs. Some setting kept defaulting to a weird scaling method, and it would just happen randomly! It would look like it was being rendered on a first generation PlayStation!
 
Problem with high definition is that then l start studying faces and decide in a OCD way, makeup, haircut, clothes choice, tailor choice of jacket length, shoulder pads, neckline choice of whoever is talking, and there lies the fault. I just want to return to Dark Shadows tv time, and contemplate my future
 
In the final analysis, for me it all boils down to the same rant. That being forced to upgrade over anything plus having to sacrifice something (DVDs) makes me ill. All to put money into shareholders' pockets.

I've always been quite content with Full High Resolution (1080p) and see no real need to double it, triple it or whatever. Especially if it requires leaving an earlier technology behind. I was ok in transitioning from VHS to DVD. But to transition from DVD and then to Blu-Ray only to have to transition again to 4k? And now they're working on 8k. What's wrong with this picture? Seems more and more consumers are just victims now and little else. :rolleyes:

I'm just grateful that I ultimately had at least two reasonable OTC name-brand choices (Samsung or TCL) in replacing my tv with another 1080p model at the same size. Though I suspect in the near future they won't be available, or will sell for an outrageous price based on scarcity alone.

In the past I used to get excited about new forms of high technology. Nowadays I find myself simply cringing.
 
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In the past you had the same thing with sound systems go to a bar where the DJ has the base cranked and the amp starts clipping. really irritating trust us quality guys back in the factory we do know what we were doing.
Clipping. Oh yeah. Whenever I download something to MP3 format the first thing I do is to load it into Audacity and subtract whatever clipping exists. And a lot of times it's massive. Makes me cringe that some people actually enjoy over-modulated sound. Eeeeeeeeeeeek! :eek:
 
I do not like the walls going boom boom, boom, boom, at a dance club, because the idiot disc jockey does not understand sound though an amplifier. they all think they are sound engineers. We usually leave the dance floor.
 
Well, I'm finally beginning to settle in feeling content about my newest tv's settings. I guess it's just a matter of time in getting used to it all. A bit sharper with richer color. But then I suppose those things wane a bit over ten years anyways.

One improvement oddly enough is the sound. far less bells and whistles, but just plain better sound. Seems they have fine tuned what used to be referred to as "surround sound". And playing my USB stick of MP3 music through this new tv directly to my home theater audio system is even better than running it through my Roku Ultra device. Effectively rendering my optical disc collection obsolete, in being able to access any and all songs so much quicker and with greater ease without even having to get up and out of my recliner.

Most of all I retain the continuity of playing conventional DVDs through this tv that still looks quite good. I just hope this tv outlasts me, quite literally. Otherwise there's no telling how difficult in the future it may be to find a 40 inch television that defaults to 1080p resolution.
 

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