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The Science behind Autism...

AGXStarseed

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(Not written by me. Check link at the bottom of the page for the full article)

Fragile X syndrome, tuberous sclerosis (TSC), and Williams syndrome are rare conditions with clear genetic causes: Each springs from a mutation in a single gene -- and with unusual frequency seems to simultaneously produce a more common condition: autism.

But is the "autism" in a child with Williams syndrome the same as in a child with fragile X? And how does it compare with autism of unknown causes?

"This is a really difficult question because -- is it the same thing as what? We don't have a model autism case," said Bonita Klein-Tasman, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. "We have a pretty broad umbrella of what we consider to be autism right now."

In terms of genetics, autism research is much more sophisticated than it was just a few years ago. Scientists have identified a few dozen genes that seem to be important players, and are hot on the trail of these genes' malfeasance. But along with this increasing clarity, an existential crisis is emerging: What, exactly, is autism?

"Certain folks think that autism is a thing," said Raphael Bernier, PhD, associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Washington in Seattle. "I don't think so. We're defining it a certain way and there are a lot of different ways to get there."


Social Subtlety

Some element of this uncertainty has always accompanied autism. Note the common saying: "If you've met one child with autism, you've met one child with autism" -- a testament to the condition's maddening diversity.

Some children with autism are social but awkward; others are socially withdrawn. Some don't speak at all; others are hyperverbal. Some tune out all distractions and can focus intensely; others seem hyperactive and easily distracted.

The advances in genetics over the past few years have only confirmed this variability. As researchers identify people with autism who share the same rare genetic mutation, they are finding that each subgroup has its own distinct profile, with differences even among members of the same subgroup.

"If we had good clinical data on 50 patients for each of the 500 or more predicted single-gene causes of autism, they'd probably all have a different profile," said David Ledbetter, PhD, chief scientific officer at Geisinger Health System in Danville, Pennsylvania. "They'll each have their own social communication and cognitive profile."

Bernier brings children to his clinic from all over the world who bear rare mutations in any of a set of genes strongly linked to autism. Grouping these children by the mutation they carry, he paints portraits of their common features. For example, children with a mutation in CHD8 tend to have wide-set eyes, large heads, and trouble socializing. Many of them have what Bernier describes as "waiting-room autism" -- meaning their autism can quickly be identified by sight alone: "I'm seeing a kid who is not engaged with others, who is not using broad facial expressions, not making eye contact."

By contrast, children who carry a deletion in the 16p11.2 chromosomal region seem interested in socializing, but awkward, Bernier said. "Many of them have social quirks and oddities, but they're not that waiting-room autism," he says. "They are socially motivated and engaged but don't know what to do once they are engaging with someone."



SOURCE: http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/Autism/54993
 
I thought William's syndrome was the opposite of autism. Does it not mean Prader-Willi syndrome? Or am I mistaken?

Nah, I think you're thinking of the right thing. It's controversial, but apparently a comorbidity of WS and AS(D) is possible (see this PubMed reference).

I have a lot of issues with the article. For one, there are several hundred genes identified, and it proposes that a certain subset of them result in particular autistic phenotypes. Seeming "interested in socializing but awkward" should not be used as a data point for the purposes of a scientific study.

A few years ago a large study found that 5 mental disorders -- autism, ADHD, depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder -- shared underlying genetic roots. This article fails to consider the genetic factors outside of the context of their influence on ASDs, and also fails to consider the high co-morbidity between autism and other psychiatric conditions. It's interesting, but oversimplifies what is most likely a much more complex interaction between genes, the environment, autism-like phenotypes, and co-morbid conditions.
 
Following a couple of link-trails from the article, and I came across this article:

Boys with IQs below 100, the population average, have a high rate of spontaneous, or de novo, mutations, the study found. They also have more severe symptoms than boys with higher IQs. This suggests that harmful mutations track with both IQ and autism severity.

By contrast, boys with autism who have IQs higher than 100 have the same number of de novo mutations as do people without autism. This suggests that themutations do not contribute to autism in these boys.

The boys with higher IQs also tend to have a family history of psychiatric disorders, suggesting that inherited milder mutations may have combined to cause their autism.

“It seems as if the higher-IQ boys [have] a different class of genetic mechanism,” says Michael Wigler, professor at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York. Wigler was not involved in this study, but has found similar results.
 
I thought William's syndrome was the opposite of autism. Does it not mean Prader-Willi syndrome? Or am I mistaken?
Here is a page on Williams: https://williams-syndrome.org/what-is-williams-syndrome

As I recall, it results from a certain chromosomal deletion. It seems hypersociality, which is only one of its common features, is based on one of those genes being missing; but the genome may have other genes which perform the same function elsewhere, or the genes may not have been deleted along with the others. I also remember reading some time ago that people with WIlliams Syndrome struggle with social situations as much as we do, merely for different reasons.

But then again I've never felt that autism could be reduced to a lack of sociability. The DSM-IV criteria regarding the imperfect formation of "age-appropriate" relationships and communication have themselves never been limited to disinterest in socialising or lack of eye contact or other nonverbal behaviors. As defined, they could certainly include an excess. The other criteria include special interests and stimming, neither of which I can conceive of having an opposite. As well, different ways of handling sensory information have always been common for us, which would actually seem to intersect nicely with William's tendency to include hyperacousis. So if a condition is characterized as including, among numerous other things, an increased affinity for eye-contact, or heightened interest in socializing, I would not call it the opposite of Autism. Even some autistics make "excessive" eye-contact.
 
Some children with autism are social but awkward; others are socially withdrawn. Some don't speak at all; others are hyperverbal. Some tune out all distractions and can focus intensely; others seem hyperactive and easily distracted.
Of course these things look mutually exclusive, but any aspie can tell you they aren't!
 
For example, children with a mutation in CHD8 tend to have wide-set eyes, large heads, and trouble socializing. Many of them have what Bernier describes as "waiting-room autism" -- meaning their autism can quickly be identified by sight alone: "I'm seeing a kid who is not engaged with others, who is not using broad facial expressions, not making eye contact."

By contrast, children who carry a deletion in the 16p11.2 chromosomal region seem interested in socializing, but awkward, Bernier said. "Many of them have social quirks and oddities, but they're not that waiting-room autism," he says. "They are socially motivated and engaged but don't know what to do once they are engaging with someone."
Kinda like the difference between 'classic' autism and Aspergers then?
 
Kinda like the difference between 'classic' autism and Aspergers then?
My diagnosis is Asperger's but I have no interest in socialising and very happy by myself. Do not get lonely. I don't make eye contact, and mine was picked up by looking - they all stated it was "obvious" that I was autistic (by this I think they meant had an ASD) (of course that didn't conclude my assessment, this was just the beginning). So no. The difference between Asperger's and classic autism is speech delay. It is not extroversion for Asperger's and introversion for classic autism. I'm introverted with Asperger's.
 
Don't be so aspie ;-P
My point is the definitions have always been fuzzy, and lumping them together just makes it fuzzier. Yet there may still be reasons (like genes) why they are not just places on a spectrum but have distinctly different origins.
Neither the article nor I said aspies are extroverts. Many aspies do crave relationships, but that doesn't make them extroverts. I think it was Tony Attwood who said aspies are always hopeful in relationships, willing to give it one more go. But of course there are also aspies who have been hurt one time too many. I would love NTs to relate to me the way they relate to each other, but the reality is that I have no idea how to do smalltalk, and the relationships exhaust me very quickly.
The difference between Aspergers and HFA (not classic autism) is speech delay in the latter.
 
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Don't be so aspie ;-P
My point is the definitions have always been fuzzy, and lumping them together just makes it fuzzier. Yet there may still be reasons (like genes) why they are not just places on a spectrum but have distinctly different origins.
How? o_O

It's not lumped together for a lot of the world (places that use ICD, like where I live) but separating them by speech delay alone doesn't make much sense to me.

Mine is almost certainly genetic. A lot of autists (I like this word, not using it in a derogatory way) and a few... aspergs(?)... in my family.
 

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