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Valve Radio In Greater Depth

total-recoil

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I've been struggling to find more technical resources on valves and their use in radio applications. Part of the reason is transistors gradually replaced valves in the late fifties and many of the original engineers or even labs have died out. Despite that, there is now a consensus that valves were probably superior to transistors as diodes, detectors and amplifiers. So, my special interest (narrow as it may be) isn't yet a dinosaur.
Anyway, there are one or two good books on valves that have been put together in this country (the U.K) but they are mega expensive. Last night I had a clever idea and decided to seach online for American sourced books on valve engineering. The secret is to substitute "tube" for "valve" and then you can find American engineering books. Many of these were based on the Zenith radio that are really class receivers and also damned expensive to get hold of. However, I have found at least one really interesting book on tube radio engineering and figure I'll order it from the U.S. as it's affordable.
O.K., here is why valves are so intriguing and I hope I'm not going to bore people too much (there may be no interest):
They are called thermionic valves. The simplest has a plate called the anode and a heater called the cathode. Both of these are electrodes. When the cathode is heated to red hot temp, electrons form a cloud around the electrode and the mass of elecrons are, of course, at a large negative potential. When we connect a 90 volt battery so that the positive is connected to the anode and the negative terminal to the cathode, current flows. That is, electrons flow to the anode like vehicles going along a main road. However, if you reverse the connections of the battery (i.e.negative battery lead to anode), current doesn't flow because the free electrons are only drawn towards positive polarity.
In radio engineering it gets far more complicated than this but that is a very basic explanation. Tubes or valves developed into triodes, pentodes, heptodes, hexodes, double diodes and so on. You can use them to demodulate carrier waves, mix frequencies to make an IF signal in superhets and, of special interest to myself, to convert alternating current to D.C.
Any of you who may be still reading this, can consider the P.C. or laptop you are now using functions on D.C. but is plugged into an A.C. socket at home. Inside your P.C. will be a transformer and rectifier which basically steps down the 230 or 120 supply to 12 volts D.C. Well, valves can do this as well, the only difference being was you had to use far higher D.C. values so some old radios actually had up to 400 volts D.C, floating about the circuit. The higher values had to be a factor as to heat a valve cathode to be red hot, you needed at the very least a combined 100 volts or more - not a factor with silicone transistors. That's how come silicone left valves behind - you can make them very very small and run them on small voltages.
Also, valves rectified A.C. in a different way to what you'd find in an alternator for example or even a laptop and they had to be heated up first before a 50 hertz A.C. supply could be passed through them.
 
I should add I get headaches over valve or tube rectifiers. I once started a thread on rectifiers on an N.T, site and nearly got lynched and accused of overcomplicating matters. Yet I think it is more complex than assumed because a lot of electricians and even electronic service engineers get confused over the difference between current flow and voltage. The only way I can deal with it is to get into the physics side which tells us electron flow is the current and goes from negative to positive always in a circuit (not pos to neg). Yet voltage is another matter and is broken down into positive, negative and zero. Many diagrams show arrows that indicate voltage but that's not the electron flow.

I quote one guy who wrote on a forum:

"I think I have a *decent* understanding of how radios work, though nowhere near the level of many of you. One of the things that continues to hang me up is the whole issue of current flowing from positive to negative by convention, but electrons actually flow from negative to positive. Sometimes I find it easier to understand a circuit visualizing positive to negative current flow -- but the more you approach circuits at the "physics" level, it makes more sense to look at how the electrons are moving. Is there an easy way to get around this? Should I just pick one way or the other, or do you guys think "both ways"?"
 
It strikes me that most people I see discussing this on internet forums are American. I had to say I was impressed by many of them as they really seem to have gotten a thorough grasp of electronics. I'm told there are far more materials for tube radio in the U.S.A. to use so I'll be ordering some books as they're cheaper over there.
 
Hi Everyone,

It's interesting that some others find this an obsession / passion. I started experimenting with thermionic valves about 18 months ago, for their rich musical qualities... I'm now building / nearly finished prototyping my first product, to be called "genesis," a pure class A single-ended preamplifier which, using triodes, creates the equivalent of a octode circuit using a very unique circuit topology, and a complex system of chokes to achieve ultra-linear operation. It has a gain of 180 db, output of 10V rms, with less than 2% distortion (mostly 2nd harmonic). Operating flat from 15hz to -3db at 500khz.

Anyway, if anyone needs any tips on valve amplifiers or thermionic valves, please ask away.. I've become quite the expert : )

P.S. I'm new here.. Diagnosed with aspergers at 26 (I'm 28 now), self-employed..

Cheers,

Chris
 
I'm still doing this. Of late, I have an interest in automatic voltage control systems. I have a transistor radio dated 1960 that doesn't seem to have AVC and the problem is pretty clear when your volume is up high on a faint signal, then you tune in another station and the noise suddenly becomes deafening. I've spent some tiome going over EMI's fairly rare use of a negative H.T. smoothing line to create so-called delayed AVC which is pretty fascinating as the speaker smoothing choke is used to drop a large negative H.T. voltage for use in grid bias of the valves. In fact there is a lot of discarded old technology that I find interesting.
Probably I'm more interested now in transformerless ACDC radios that, in some cases are called " hot chassis radios". I'm still pretty bogged down with theory but soon home to get myself an Avo 8 multimeter on ebay and some other tools I'll be needing.

Hi Everyone,

It's interesting that some others find this an obsession / passion. I started experimenting with thermionic valves about 18 months ago, for their rich musical qualities... I'm now building / nearly finished prototyping my first product, to be called "genesis," a pure class A single-ended preamplifier which, using triodes, creates the equivalent of a octode circuit using a very unique circuit topology, and a complex system of chokes to achieve ultra-linear operation. It has a gain of 180 db, output of 10V rms, with less than 2% distortion (mostly 2nd harmonic). Operating flat from 15hz to -3db at 500khz.

Anyway, if anyone needs any tips on valve amplifiers or thermionic valves, please ask away.. I've become quite the expert : )

P.S. I'm new here.. Diagnosed with aspergers at 26 (I'm 28 now), self-employed..

Cheers,

Chris
 

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