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Was this assault?

Markness

Young God
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At the convention I am currently at in Austin, someone took the back of his hand and knocked my arm joint with it. I asked him “What was that for?” and he dodged my question by asking me a question of his own. I didn’t answer and walked away. I’ve been feeling upset since it happened. It’s like anyone can do anything harsh to me but if I try to say my feelings, I am always in the wrong. A third party also witnessed what happened and didn’t say a word.

UPDATE: I reported the incident and it turns out this productive member of society has been harassing others at the convention. I saw staff workers confronting him.
 
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Spend enough time at cons and you will meet a great many "productive members of society" like that.

I've seen much worse, I'll put it that way. Always best to let security deal with it.
 
At the convention I am currently at in Austin, someone took the back of his hand and knocked my arm joint with it. I asked him “What was that for?” and he dodged my question by asking me a question of his own. I didn’t answer and walked away. I’ve been feeling upset since it happened. It’s like anyone can do anything harsh to me but if I try to say my feelings, I am always in the wrong. A third party also witnessed what happened and didn’t say a word.

UPDATE: I reported the incident and it turns out this productive member of society has been harassing others at the convention. I saw staff workers confronting him.

Cons bring out the unfortunates. As a con goer and cosplayer I’ve had a few experiences myself at cons, and they are always upsetting and confusing. I’ve had one who wanted free hugs, and didn’t understand the wordS “no, I don’t like hugs, please don’t ask” and Gave me one regardless....and I did nothing but take it.

I think you did the right thing by standing up for yourself by challenging him. He wanted to get a reaction from you (although why I don’t know) and you did the other right thing by walking away. You’re not in the wrong. As for the third party, I don’t know...I think sometimes it is easy to think to not get involved.

Don’t let this ruin Your Con experience. You did right to report and if they are aware of his behavior he can be banned from the con (and possibly future cons that are hosted at the venue).
 
Cons bring out the unfortunates. As a con goer and cosplayer I’ve had a few experiences myself at cons, and they are always upsetting and confusing. I’ve had one who wanted free hugs, and didn’t understand the wordS “no, I don’t like hugs, please don’t ask” and Gave me one regardless....and I did nothing but take it

Oh yeah, cosplayers get the worst of it.

I'm a cosplayer myself, of the sort that does characters that arent necessarily matching my real gender (I'm male, but I have a naturally feminine appearance, so I just roll with that because why not), and I've certainly had some... uh... "encounters". Which includes getting outright groped more than once. Among other things.

The whole "OMG HUG" thing I dont really mind (which may or may not be because I'm always jacked up on caffeine when at one of these), in my mind it's just sorta part of the thing and MOST people dont mean anything negative by it, so as long as someone asks I'll usually just go along, but it's the ones that DONT ask before doing whatever that are the real problem.

And of course cons are always filled with, as a friend of mine puts it, "a horde of sleep-deprived nerds who are often a little tipsy", and that REALLY doesnt help. Everyone there is acting more erratic than they otherwise would be.

Going to a convention, as a cosplayer or just going as normal, means that you're gonna have to just sorta watch out a bit... I think it's really that simple. And with so many people at one, you WILL run into idiots here and there. Just how it goes, eh?

I'm just glad there's always the option to retreat back to the hotel room for me, when it's getting a bit too troublesome.
 
At the convention I am currently at in Austin, someone took the back of his hand and knocked my arm joint with it. I asked him “What was that for?” and he dodged my question by asking me a question of his own. I didn’t answer and walked away. I’ve been feeling upset since it happened. It’s like anyone can do anything harsh to me but if I try to say my feelings, I am always in the wrong. A third party also witnessed what happened and didn’t say a word.

UPDATE: I reported the incident and it turns out this productive member of society has been harassing others at the convention. I saw staff workers confronting him.
Actually, once he touched you, it's battery. Good that you got security involved.
 
Spend enough time at cons and you will meet a great many "productive members of society" like that.

I've seen much worse, I'll put it that way. Always best to let security deal with it.

Before him, someone who was admittedly drunk talked to me but he didn’t get aggressive like the subject of this thread.

I was upset but I can make it through the rest of the con. The good is outweighing the bad so far.
 
By definition, assault is "a physical attack upon". Battery is "1. In criminal law, this is a physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another person without that person's consent. 2. In tort law, the intentional causation of harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent."

There are truly violent acts, clearly without the need for interpretation of intent. Then, there are physical acts that do not result in physical harm, but result personal offense.

Now, here is where it gets a bit nebulous for me,...intent from the person carrying out the act,...interpretation from the person on the receiving end. There are situations where the person carrying out the act might be socially awkward, intending to be somewhat cheeky, a light-hearted physical act (a nudge on the arm or shoulder, a slap on the back or shoulder, etc.). However, it is how that act is being received that is most important. If it appears, out-of-context, a surprise, or the person carrying out the act was not reading the other person correctly,...that is when offense is taken.

When I was in my youth and as a young adult (pre-1990's), these sorts of things were more socially acceptable and common,...physical acts were part of normal communication,...even if interpreted as an offense or rude. Back then, it was the intent that counted, and if you misinterpreted the intent and it resulted in you being emotionally upset,...you were considered weak, immature,...a cry baby. Now-a-days,...quite the opposite.

Obviously, you took offense,...so legally, you are in the right to involve event security and to even take some legal action.



 
Cons bring out the unfortunates. As a con goer and cosplayer I’ve had a few experiences myself at cons, and they are always upsetting and confusing. I’ve had one who wanted free hugs, and didn’t understand the wordS “no, I don’t like hugs, please don’t ask” and Gave me one regardless....and I did nothing but take it.

I think you did the right thing by standing up for yourself by challenging him. He wanted to get a reaction from you (although why I don’t know) and you did the other right thing by walking away. You’re not in the wrong. As for the third party, I don’t know...I think sometimes it is easy to think to not get involved.

Don’t let this ruin Your Con experience. You did right to report and if they are aware of his behavior he can be banned from the con (and possibly future cons that are hosted at the venue).

After I asked him “What was that for?!?”, he replied “You know what’s happening tomorrow at 2:00?” which I thought was odd.

As I told @Misery, the good is outweighing the bad so far. I got two hugs and a selfie from a cute geeky girl!
 
Maybe the guy was over caffeinated
or just excited in general to be in a crowd
of people.

Asking whether you knew what was happening
the next day at a certain time doesn't seem odd to me.
Sort of a ice breaker or promotional statement.

Like he already knew and wanted others to be aware.
And a boisterous whack was the way to get attention.

How would you have preferred him to address you?
 
After I asked him “What was that for?!?”, he replied “You know what’s happening tomorrow at 2:00?” which I thought was odd.

As I told @Misery, the good is outweighing the bad so far. I got two hugs and a selfie from a cute geeky girl!

I don’t know. Sometimes they say weird things to get you to engage with them and then they react in various ways. Or it could be that he was mentioning something to you at 2.00. I’d be confused too.
 
Maybe the guy was over caffeinated
or just excited in general to be in a crowd
of people.

Asking whether you knew what was happening
the next day at a certain time doesn't seem odd to me.
Sort of a ice breaker or promotional statement.

Like he already knew and wanted others to be aware.
And a boisterous whack was the way to get attention.

How would you have preferred him to address you?

“Hey, buddy! What’s going on at 2:00 (PM) for the covention?” and preferably keeping his hands to himself.
 
Could be the guy's not that sure of himself.
Feels a need to physically contact a person in
order to have the person pay attention to him.

A question may not have been what he was trying to get across.
Sounds like it was more of a teaser, something to get your (or
anybody he asked) interest. An invitation to share, possibly.

If you (or whoever) answered "Yeah! It's going to be great" or something
along that line, then he'd have known there was another person
sharing an interest in that particular scheduled event. So the
joy would be multiplied, so to speak.
 
I was once arrested for misdemeanor assault for getting in the face of a TSA jerk and reciting the 4th amendment. Thank goodness that I got the security tapes that showed no such assault took place. I look upon the TSA and their security theater as gestapo wannabees, useless, authoritarian, sad sacks.
 
Could be the guy's not that sure of himself.
Feels a need to physically contact a person in
order to have the person pay attention to him.

A question may not have been what he was trying to get across.
Sounds like it was more of a teaser, something to get your (or
anybody he asked) interest. An invitation to share, possibly.

If you (or whoever) answered "Yeah! It's going to be great" or something
along that line, then he'd have known there was another person
sharing an interest in that particular scheduled event. So the
joy would be multiplied, so to speak.

I chalk it up to both parties communicating poorly.
 
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The good is outweighing the bad so far.
Markness, more people should tell you this, but you are making progress!! In your older posts, the bad always outweighed to good (if any). This is the first time I am aware of that you said the good outweighed the bad, Keep it up.
 
Maybe he had been trying to get your attention, but it was so noisy you didn't notice. So he just tried to nudge you to ask a question, but didn't realize how hard he tapped.

You know, sometimes how people will laugh so hard that they hit your leg, and if they're really howling, they'll smack hard. I think it was one of those things, and perhaps you're reading too much into it.

You'll never see homeboy again. Just let it go like water off a duck's back.
 
At the convention I am currently at in Austin, someone took the back of his hand and knocked my arm joint with it. I asked him “What was that for?” and he dodged my question by asking me a question of his own. I didn’t answer and walked away. I’ve been feeling upset since it happened. It’s like anyone can do anything harsh to me but if I try to say my feelings, I am always in the wrong. A third party also witnessed what happened and didn’t say a word.

UPDATE: I reported the incident and it turns out this productive member of society has been harassing others at the convention. I saw staff workers confronting him.
Probably assault and battery under a literal view of the law. But you'd never prove intent and no DA would ever pursue. Obviously he's in the wrong and walking away was the right course. He's just a jackass trying to cause a problem, so unless he comes back to make an issue out of it or you see him doing it to others, shrug it off. The proper response then is to visit hotel security. The police are probably nowhere to be seen.

Why would you think a third party would say anything? People - NT and ND both - try very hard not to get involved in such things.
 
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Maybe he had been trying to get your attention, but it was so noisy you didn't notice. So he just tried to nudge you to ask a question, but didn't realize how hard he tapped.

You know, sometimes how people will laugh so hard that they hit your leg, and if they're really howling, they'll smack hard. I think it was one of those things, and perhaps you're reading too much into it.

You'll never see homeboy again. Just let it go like water off a duck's back.

Nope, I saw the guy and he didn’t say a word. He just sidestepped towards me and backhanded my arm.

I was tired since it was 2:00 AM when it happened and frankly I had enough of being messed with by people after an entire year.
 

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