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What does your Aspie mind think about Divorce Rates?

RubenX

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Every time I have a discussion with a NT that involves divorce rates, their opinions usually seem "emotional" to me, ignoring to great extent what's really happening out there. The first thing that gets distorted is the divorce rate itself. Several sources publish "official numbers" but they rarely reveal how this numbers were calculated. One source said the divorce rate was only 35%. But after some digging around, turns out this source was only counting how many couples remained married after a 3 year period, ignoring those who divorced during or after the 4th year of marriage.

I look around me, my neighbors, my family, my friends, even my online friends... and it looks to me like the divorce rate is closer to a 95%.

When I think about what these real numbers represent, emotion goes out the window and logic kicks in. Using my logical Aspie mind, I trully believe that some changes are needed. For example:

- Marriage should be like any other license. You should 'renew' it every x amount or years or you get automatically divorced.
- Pre-nuptial agreements should be a requirement instead of an option.
- There should be a mandatory legal status in between "single" and "married" which should have a cohabitation period or some kind of "trial run".
- An extensive divorce law course should be a requirement for any marriage candidate.
- Marriage candidates should be required to attend family court and sit through a minimum of 10 divorce cases before getting a marriage license.

I always wondered what other non-NT people think about this.
 
Several sources publish "official numbers" but they rarely reveal how this numbers were calculated. One source said the divorce rate was only 35%. But after some digging around, turns out this source was only counting how many couples remained married after a 3 year period, ignoring those who divorced during or after the 4th year of marriage.

That's one of the silliest calculations I've ever heard of.

Anyway, I think you are really onto something there. I have had extremely limited experience with any sort of romantic relationship (but I'm only 17, so I've got plenty of time!) but I like the idea of marriage being renewed and the trial run - signing away a lifetime is a big deal, so these are reasonable measures - but I can't say I personally agree with the others, because they go too far against the trust in the relationship. Maybe if, instead of mandatory pre-nuptial agreements, the default would be that each partner is left with the same assets they owned before the marriage, and this can be changed if the couple wants - ha, I suppose I mostly agree with you on that point. The family court idea I find to be too affronting, and that it will cause couples to overthink the marriage and be too afraid of its failure. The divorce law course at the outset also seems cold to me, and maybe better placed later in the marriage, maybe after the trial run when it starts to get serious.

This might have been a bit more emotive than you were hoping for, but I just thought I'd contribute my view. I suppose it shows that not all aspies view everything in a purely intellectual way - we all have different distributions of logic and feeling.

One last point: I don't think the rise in divorce rates is a rise in failed marriages, it's just that we've gotten much more comfortable with the idea of divorce then in previous times. I'm sure lots of old-fashioned marriages were pretty dysfunctional and crappy too, but divorce wasn't an option back then, so they survived on sexism and other social pressures.
 
To hell with romance! :bounce:

Seriously though, those are some good ideas in theory but in reality it would not help long term, I think it may even make things worse because seeing the potential fallout if things go wrong could put a real downer on a relationship and make some people pull out when perhaps everything would have been fine and they'd have had a lovely life together. Plus people will go through all the loopholes get married and then a couple of years down the line hate each other's guts anyway.

To be honest from my point of view the reason people end up divorcing is because they are not suited to each other in the first place. They say opposites attract etc and yes that can work but I think the most successful marriages are the ones in which the couple actually enjoy spending time together because they share at least some interests.

Just from observing the other parents at school it seems none of them spend time together, the mums are always out with each other or whatever and the dads go out or they have separate hobbies(dads playing golf, mums having coffee mornings) and they reluctantly have 'family time'. The women get all nit picky about their partner's liking this or that, there is one guy who was chatting to my husband and me(well mainly him) and he was saying how his wife won't let him have a tattoo. I've witnessed people have arguements over what their kids must wear, what they can eat, where they will go on holiday, what car to get etc and I just think wtf...why did you marry someone who has such opposing views/opinions. One man spends most nights doing either martial arts training or sports and barely sees his fiancee, as a result she is threatening to take the kids to Europe and never come back unless he spends time with her. I just don't get it why pick someone whose company you do not enjoy and the only conclusion I can come to is that 95% of relationships are based on pure physical attraction...and then that brings us to cheating, that is a major cause of relationship breakdowns and again the only conclusion I can come to is the physical aspect because based on those around me I've seen go through this the cheater rarely stays with the other person once they are found out (so it's not like they met their 'soulmate' or something, it was 'just sex' etc).

People are strange :P
 
The big issue I see with a few of the things you propose RubenX is that all this added bureaucracy costs money to those wanting to get married. Yes divorce costs money as well, but if I had to renew my "license" each year, clearly the government would see that there's money to be earned on that.

To be honest I don't see what the entire deal about marriage is anyway. What's wrong with just living together? Is it a legal thing? Perhaps we should look into legal issues instead. If marrying provides you more access to certain services and is financially interesting, that's a faulty reason for people to get married. People, IF the want to get married, should get together because they care enough for each other, will put up with "some crap" others pull and accept whatever one does. But it should also be clear that this does not mean that anyone can do whatever he/she pleases because the other has to put up with it.

If anything I feel that there should be more "punishment" to those who wish to get married and make a mess out of it. Unfaithful wife? You'll have your "marriage license" revoked for life... it's silly how some people make a mess out of each marriage and sometimes it seems they're just in it to go through legal hassle to get half of someones possessions and ruin someones life. Boredom much?

Maybe the entire deal of a prenup should be that it doesn't exist at all. There is no such thing as "if we divorce you get half of my stuff" or whatever they thing is you sign up for. I'm all for checking what you bring into the marriage financially, and that's the same percentage of capital you get out of it. Provided there also is perfect bookkeeping of both parties so the one who brings in pretty much nothing can flouder and spend each and every dime before divorce. If you divorce they should check what stuff is ON your name and if you could afford this with your own financial means, not shared means. So there's no expensive car if you have no job and you're married to a rich guy. If anything I feel that marriage and divorce should reward you with experience, not with a better financial position.

I'm not married myself, nor do I intend to ever get married. The concept sounds silly to me. Luckily my girlfriend is like that as well. My parents are "happily" married for about 30 years now and by now they probably both think "well, I'm old and disabled, it's not as if I can get someone else anymore, and this works out fine". My mom got divorced once before, before I was born even, and that was because she had a violent husband who used to hit her and cheat on her. Such people should be taken care of legally.
 
Well, let's question assumptions (I like to do that). Why is a high divorce rate bad? Well, it makes men poor and lawyers rich, because divorce law favors women. And it leaves a lot of children to be raised by only one parent. Other than that, I'm not sure why it's such a problem. can anyone think of anything else?
 
My thoughts are simple: Back in the day, people fixed things which were broken. These days, people throw it out and buy a new one.
 
Divorce does not have to contain hate & malice fighting over stupid possesions.
My 13yr marriage was great and we went our seperate ways without a single conflict.
No alimony and no fighting over stuff either!:D
 
The Aspies here have come through with some interesting thoughts on the high divorce rates.

When it comes to this super sensitive hot button issue, I see emotion-based arguments even here & a great deal of romanticizing & assumptions.

We seem to agree that unprepared people often go into marriage for silly reasons. A part of why this happens is that Western culture bombards us with distorted images of what marriage is. Think of it. Girls are conditioned from infancy to dream of being brides. Animated fairy tales teach girls to wait for their prince to come 'rescue' them. Then, comes the big wedding. It ends there. We learn absolutely nothing about relationships & marriage from this. Boys aren't taught to even think of marriage.

Girls are targeted by soap operas & romance movies that feature idealized fantasy males (like 50 shades of grey). We talk of nonsense like 'soul mates', finding out other half & someone completing us. How dysfunctional is that?!? you need to be a whole & complete person: not some half-human seeking to plug a hole in your character! A wedding is NOT a marriage.

Another thing we haven't really given serious consideration to is the fact that, in the not so distant past (well into the 60s in some western places, even today in some western cultures!) a daughter was legally the PROPERTY of her father to be transferred, with his consent, to the husband. She vowed to OBEY her husband (Baptist & Evangelical women still do). She had no legal status under the law. She couldn't open a simple checking account in her own name or apply for a credit card. This applied even it was one of those rare cases wherein the woman earned more than the man! My father (a retired civil attorney) told me of a couple in the early 60s. She was a doctor but her husband was an illiterate labourer. When she wanted to open a bank acct, HE had to come in & scrawl is 'X' on the dotted line in order to show that he was PERMITTING her to open the account. This case helped spur legal changes here.

Religion imposed SUBMISSION within marriage onto all women AND it still does in the USA bible belt. Ironically, they have the highest divorce rates (after the shortest time married) in the entire USA. Right now today! HE became 'bread-winner', head of household, decision-maker, final authority & all 'round boss. the woman, also a fully grown adult, remained a teenager under some man's authority & tutelage. Church law, until shockingly recently, not only supported but encouraged husbands to beat their wives regularly to correct & chasten them. Look up domestic battery rates where you live. I mean do a quick Google search. I know that in the USA, right now, every 2 hrs a woman is killed by her male partner.

As far as in the past, people fixed things & now we just throw them out & replace them, this is true when it comes to material objects. It doesn't apply to marriage. This isn't my opinion or an emotional construct but a hard numerically verifiable fact. Only a man could file for a divorce until the late 50s/early 60s in many states & provinces. A woman could only get a divorce here IF the husband had a mistress AND moved her into the conjugal home with the wife! Even there, few women even had a high school degree or any trade training. In the absence of birth control, they often had several children by the time they were 25. My father used his mother as an example. She was married at 21 & had 16 pregnancies with 10 kids surviving to adulthood. Had her marriage been toxic, where the hell could she have gone with a high school education, no job, no alimony, child support, shelters for women, no rights AND 10 kids?!? Marriage was a trap: a social tool wrapped in romance, rubber stamped by religion, used to keep women oppressed & under male control. Submission & obedience & an utter lack of basic rights is NOT romantic & is NOT a relationship.

Marriages remained intact for the most part BUT that is NOT the determining factor of a 'successful' marriage! One partner had all the power & control but the other had none. Adultery was only a crime for women: NOT men. She had to shut up & look the other way or risk a beating. If he ran off with another woman, it was the wife's fault for not keeping him happy in some way.

Let's NOT make the NT cultural gaffe of romanticizing or idealizing either marriage or some mythic past wherein people were allegedly more moral, committed & ethical. As soon as the laws began to change in the 50s, we saw the phenomenon of the runaway wife. Women were tripping over each other to get themselves & their kids away from drunk violent controlling husbands. Look up the temperance movement & see what role rampant socially tolerated alcoholism played in domestic abuse. Look up runaway wives in the 50s then form your argument.

Now that women are often as or more educated than men, their expectations of what marriage IS has changed. Working women aren't willing to be both so-called bread-winners AND be expected to come home & become 1950s subservient servile wives responsible for all domestic tasks. We expect the man to pull his weight re parenting duties & household cleaning duties. The problem here is that many guys grew up in households wherein dad went to work, mom stayed home & SHE did everything in the house related to kids & cleaning. When they marry, they expect their wife to turn into their mother. They also want to be 'heads of household' in times where a woman has her own capable well-educated head. I love having a partner. If I wanted a leader, I'd move to North Korea!

Instead of assuming why people divorce, looking up the primary reasons for divorces is more useful. the #1 reason today is fights over money. The tanked economy, job losses, credit debt are killing families. Other causes include irreconcilable differences & adultery. When we bought our 1st house, the sellers were in the middle of an acrimonious divorce. The couple bickered openly in front of us. AWKWARD! They were both cops. He worked a night shift, she worked a day shift. BOTH were having affairs with a cop on their shift. In the middle was their 4yr old son. They argued in front of us over the ceiling light over the table!!! WHAT A MESS!!! Their career lifestyle contributed to their marriage's demise. Two lonely people sought comfort in the arms of someone conveniently accessible.

Another myth: women get rich from divorce settlements. Unless she was married to a multi-millionaire, this doesn't happen. Plus, she was likely rich herself (Donald Trump's wife was a multi millionaire super model, his first wife was a business woman). Often, they come from rich families & entered into the marriage with many assets. This is a misogynistic myth. Look up the numbers where you live. After a divorce, a woman s typically left near destitute. She usually has custody of the kids & she was likely earning less than her husband. If they were middle class or working class, she likely has a low to minimum wage job & not the best credit rating. When marital debts are settled, both are likely left with debts to pay. When the kids are sick or have a ped day or school holiday, SHE must remain home for them or pay for childcare. Her job won't cover these missed days & she can be easily fired since these jobs are easily filled by others & they offer no job security. Since he often has the kids every other weekend, he is free to build his career unimpeded by parental duties.

Many couples elect to remain in failed marriages due to financial peril. Men can get mandated to pay child support BUT this is based on what he earns & a reasonable cost of living for him. After a divorce is settled, the avg man sees his income increase by between 55-65% whereas a woman's decreases by a commensurate amt. Again, don't take my word: look it up! With the tanked economy, BOTH partners get screwed. Few women even receive the child support they're supposed to get. Look up the facts on what is owned in outstanding child support where you reside.

Looking at facts (not assuming or romanticizing) is the only way we'll ever use our Aspie logic to think reasonably about the issues contributing to divorce.

 
I agree with Hello Dizzy. And man is not a machine (not even the aspie man!). Divorce is an emotional topic. Of course, we can't allow that to cloud our view of what is really happening. It makes more sense for health, money, and long term happiness reasons to just work it out and stay together. No, I'm not taking into account abuse or cheating. That's another issue and yes I would leave my husband over it. All the statistics point to people being healthier, steadier, financially better off, and having successfull/happier/healthier kids more if they stay married. It doesn't garauntee a constant supply of money, happiness, or health, and there are going to be exceptions, but the statistics are on the side of marriage for life.

The official divorce rate nation wide is over 50%, but that's an average. Some areas or groups of people will see higher or lower rates. In the Army, we have an 80%-90% divorce rate, and that was only recently calculated.

On another note, 50 Shades of Grey, porn, and the like cause sexual anhedonia eventually. I reccommend researching anhedonia. What's the antidote to sexual anhedonia? One sex partner, reveling in simple sexual pleasures, forsaking bondage and violence and extreme thrill seeking in sex, and giving up porn. There is a great book about anhedonia (a psychological condition) Called Thrilled to Death by Dr. Archibald Hart. There are other types of anhedonia besides sexual.

My husband and I have been through a lot of hard times and difficulties. We persevered. Sex now is really good, as is our love. Love, contrary to popular beliefe, is a choice. When the swirling, whirlwind feelings fade, if you stick with it through that confusing time, a deeper, fuller, richer love develops and it betters your character and promotes deeper, abiding joy that can last through hard things.
 
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I think the word trust is often misused when marriage is discuss. Often people talk about having no trust or absolute trust. And in reality, trust doesn't work that way. There are 2 aspects of trust that people often ignore:

1) Trust in the person Vs trust in the person's abilities

Example: My son say he finished his homework. I trust *him*, I know he won't lie. But I check the homework anyway because I know his math skills are not fully developed. He wouldn't need homework if that was the case.

Now take the same basic situation and apply it to a marriage problem. You might trust hubby not to spend the rent money on a fishing cane, at least not on purpose. But if he's bad with keeping track of bank account balances, he might unknowingly screw up and do spend the rent money on that fishing cane. Same goes for girls when going to the show store.

But lets say that money spending is in control. Lets move to "money making". I knew this couple where the wife use to say "I trust hubby will provide". And because "hubby will provide", they went ahead and make 6 kids. She worked too, marketing, making 45k a year. Hubby was a master baker with his own bakery shop. Money was good and everything was OK. Then Xmart came in, right next to hubby's shop, with an Xmart Bakery department. Hubby's bakery went out of business... now what? Hubby could get a job, yes... but with 6 kids, day care expenses alone was more than what hubby could afford. I made more sense to have hubby stay at home and deal with the kids. But the wife wouldn't allow that. Near the end, I hear her saying "I used to trust him". But that trust was misplaced. What she trusted was the man's skills as master baker. The man is still the same, he just doesn't have a bakery anymore.

2) Trust between a growing group of associates

Example: Alice is a high school girl who loves movies. She makes friends with Bethy who also likes movies, and together they go every Friday to the theater. Then Cinthy joins the group and she also likes movies. But Cinthy also likes dancing and proposes to switch some Friday Movie days for Friday Dancing days. Bethy, who also likes dancing, agrees. But Alice, who doesn't dance, does not agree and feels excluded and betrayed.

When a group grows, priorities change. And marriage is a growing group. You might trust your wife to follow you to the end of the earth. But then you have kids, and now she won't drag the kids to the end of the earth, regardless of how much she might love you.
 
Why not make a blog about it, Dizzy? I'd love to hear what you have to say about this as I share your interest.
 
But what about how much you love her? No one is driving you to the ends of the earth but yourself. What if you stayed for her? Love is sacrifice sometimes. I have stayed in this marriage to my husband when part of me was screaming to leave. I have been rewarded for my patience. So has he. Family is not an optional appendage, and the purpose of our lives is not to get everything we want regardless of who is left behind. There is peace and rest in giving others what they need.
 
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Soup; The entire notion of how gender roles changed in the past 50 years, isn't this something clearly a lot of people aren't aware about still? The concept still goes on with a lot of men I guess, and clearly as long as they've been raised in households where this concept holds true, no wonder they will impose this notion on their own marriage.

In the past 50 years, a lot has changed in terms of rights, laws, and the entire social dynamics between men and women (and on a somewhat related note; even races). Quite a lot of these things grew like that because of financial means, employment, practical reasons and what have you, yet for example religion still thinks this is the 50's in that respect. I hate to repeat myself, but society apparently cannot keep up with the dynamics over the course of 50 years, let alone over dynamics within the last decade.

The concept of the runaway wife pretty much holds true for my mom as I told in my example (and that was in the mid 70's even) I never understood what this guy was all about. I don't see anything good coming from getting drunk and violent towards my partner in any way. But apparently that used to be somewhat socially acceptable... and still people wonder why I sometimes frown when I think about a predominantly NT world and the "habits" they have.

I totally agree with looking to reasons, but actually I find those reasons somewhat superficial. If the biggest concern is fighting over money, perhaps you should remind yourself why you married in the first place. And you should also wonder if you can get all these loans and expenses IF you even end up on your own in case of death or divorce. That's common sense. Having differences is something I rarely get behind either... as is adultery. You can expect that at some point you'll disagree, and depending on how you take that argument, this might spell doom. Most people I know that are divorced over differences were people that have a rather explosive way of problemsolving. Adultery as such; meh... without blaming men or women exclusively, if I tend to cheat it probably has good reason. If that is because my wife will not have sex with me but I have such primal urges, I do feel there should be a solution at hand, but quite often either one doesn't want to take part of that kind of problemsolving. Much like HelloDizzy pointed out; people used to fix things, now they rather just discard it and get a new one. For a while I was in a relationship with a women who at some point felt her career was important. Our sexlife was going downhill, she was tired and stressed all the time. Her way of problemsolving was to expect me to become careerhungry as well, so we could both focus on jobs and not on primal urges. I'm sorry if my pleasure lies within the bedroom and hers was on her bankaccount by buying more stuff than she could fit in her appartment.

Similarly, the entire myth that all women get out rich. I know it's not true, but all too often there are women going into a marriage with nothing. No degree, nothing. They just hope to hop on the financial boat the husband has. And some succeed. Maybe it's different culturally here, but most single moms I encountered (and to some extent know from "back then") weren't even married! They just had a bad run in, got knocked up and that was all. Dad's long done, and no one knows where the hell he is. Perhaps they lived together for a while, he kicked her out (or she left), he moved as well, problem solved... or so it seems. It's a perfect concept for a new program on MTV, since they're having a program about teen moms for a few years already.

So women getting rich of it... rich might be an overstatement, but if you have 0, every dollar (or euro in my case) is an increase of belongings already. If you have kids and the like, then yes, you're in for a treat financially since you'd have to get a job, and support those kids. But since a lot of people who have kids at a young age (mind you, not all) don't even finish a decent carreer (again, my perception, might differ from anyone elses community), they are unemployed, uneducated and left with kids they need to feed. And since they have no training it's hard for them to get employed and prices for daycare aren't even realistic anymore if you're a single parent. A factory job ain't gonna pay for that around here.

So no I barely did any research in books and used numbers for it, I just looked outside and noted what I saw.



imagesbyholly; anhedonia could just as well be considered "getting bored of stuff". If I overdo anything, I'm quite sure it'll bore me. And I have a rather low threshold of keeping entertained to be honest. The trick is to keep it interesting, but unfortunately enough most people only know how to make and keep things interesting by upping the stakes (making it more risky). There's nothing wrong with trying something else... I'm quite sure I'd get "anhedonic" if I had to have sex the same way over and over again. And similarly I would get kinda frustrated if my partner wasn't up for any change. Funnily enough anhedonia is also related to depression as well as a extensive list of medication. Medication is pretty much what everyone does nowadays, so no wonder everyone is going wild on experimentation. The problem however lies therein if such feelings come across people who are already sexually frustrated and/or violent... that's kinda raising the new bar, time after time after time.

To some extent I feel that it does apply to me a bit. But looking back at my childhood I already drew stickmen doing sexually taboo acts when I never even saw porn. However, for me it probably works a bit as an accelerant to think about new stuff, new concepts, new approachs, which aren't neccesarily risky, but at least approaches that keep it interesting. I go out exploring just to break the mold. That's how I, in my opinion, use that drive to fight anhedonic feelings to get something good from it.
 
I think trust is also contextual. Depending upon what is known about the other person's character. In the case of my daughter, I trust her implicitly with money. I know she'll never take change or money from my purse. I know she'd never misuse my bank card etc. BUT...I know she has chocolate bar radar. If I have chocolate anywhere in the house, it's GONE. She can't resist. Same goes for chips. You have to be realistic about a person's vices & limitations as well as their strengths. I handle it by simply telling her that there's a chocolate bar on the table for her to take. Why tempt someone? I know my husband cannot resist sweets & he'll eat them until the last crumb. I buy very little so as not to put him in harm's way. I could get an attitude about this & say, "I don't have a problem with these things, why should I limit my fun because someone else lacks control?" THAT'S where the compromise part comes in.

Things can go wrong in any marriage. the baker story isn't a trust story: it is more telling of the strain an unexpected economic shift can have on a family. The same goes for someone suddenly becoming ill, an elderly in-law having to move in due to Dementia or a child becoming wayward in his teens. All hell can break loose in any marriage. That's when a couple has to put aside their personal feelings, their tendency to want to blame the other & they must pool their resources to address the problem.
 
But what about how much you love her? No one is driving you to the ends of the earth but yourself. What if you stayed for her? Love is sacrifice sometimes. I have stayed in this marriage to my husband when part of me was screaming to leave. I have been rewarded for my patience. So has he. Family is not an optional appendage, and the purpose of our lives is not to get everything we want regardless of who is left behind. There is peace and rest in giving others what they need.

It depends on the situation. If I could make 30k on this town but I could be making 100k on a different town... should I stay? Lets say the woman doesn't want to leave because the kids like it here, kids have friends here, yada yada. The woman has a point, yes... kids go first. But the man might be thinking, 30k is barely enough to get us by right now and will *not* be enough in a couple of years when kid's college expenses start to hit. And he has a point too... ironically, the same point, kids go first. But one parent is focusing on the present and the other is focusing on the future. Both very valid.

Marriage is full of paradoxes like this, where the "how much you love me" becomes irrelevant. Because regardless of how much you love your partner, you love the kids even more.
 
The issue of the Traditional Roles (House Cleaning)

I could not agree more with soup on this point. You can't expect a modern working wife to work 8 hours a day then come home and clean everything too. House shores should be shared. In before my marriage I lived alone and I had my place immaculate. In after my divorce, I lived with 2 kids, worked 12 hours shifts and still had my place immaculate. I have no problem with cleaning up a house. But I would like to bring a different side... there are women out there that think that because they work, they are exempt for any housework. They want to become the man of the 50's. And that's as out of place it's female role counter part.

Being a man that can keep his own house clean even with 2 kids in it and no wife on sight, tend to attract the lazy/dirty females who think I'm gonna clean for them too. :(
 
King Oni- You are right. But true Anhedonia has to do with an actual overuse of adrenaline, which damages your systems. Anhedonia is an extreme of overuse and getting bored. My kids being bored of doing puzzles isn't anhedonia.
 
Anhedonia is also a symptom of schizo spectrum disorders as well. I experience times in each day where I go numb to all pleasure: smell,taste,touch
and it is a horrible sensation. Thankfully it goes away in 2-4hrs but really bites!
 
King Oni- You are right. But true Anhedonia has to do with an actual overuse of adrenaline, which damages your systems. Anhedonia is an extreme of overuse and getting bored. My kids being bored of doing puzzles isn't anhedonia.

I always found a big difference in being bored as an adult or as a kid. As a kid I was told what to do more as well as certain things being less "wild" and sensory heavy. As an adult you have more say in sensory perception and that might cause more issues. Playing with toys rarely was sensory heavy for me, but getting excited watching adult material, an exciting movie/book or some other adrenaline inducing actitivies are.

On a related note; anehedonia as such is also something meth users suffer from at some point, since it destroys the dopamine neuroreceptors partially. Meth in general gives you a big high and you have big downs if you don't use, which is a reason why people keep using it. The problem however is, you need more everytime to trigger the same amount of dopamine release. It's a side effect a lot of people who did a lot of meth and are in rehab for suffer from, the inability to have pleasure like "normal". It will "heal" for a big part over time, but it takes a while for it to be halfway normal again.
 

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