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What is Christmas

Mattymatt

Imperfectly Perfect
This is a rhetorical question because the concept of Christmas is more an abstraction for me as I never really experienced it as a child. There were no gifts or happiness. I have trouble relating to Christmas as a holiday or associate any kind of happiness with the day. To me it's just another day and I usually worked it. I really wish I could've been working today because I've too much time on my hands. When it comes to Christmas, I always feel like an imposter or an outsider looking in. Even when I've been invited to other's parties, I still feel more like a ghost in the room than a participant. Christmas is as foreign a concept to me as, say, Mandarin Chinese. It's funny but I always thought I would understand the holiday better if I had a significant other in my life at the time; none of my relationships coincided with Christmas.

I wonder if my seeing Christmas as an abstraction is more a reflection of the abuse I'd received as a child and through my teenage years. Wishing someone a happy holidays feels hollow and perfunctory instead of honest and genuine. I mean I do wish the person well but it I definitely feel a case of imposter syndrome. I feel as if I am totally alone in the weirdness. If this is the case, so be it, but I would love to hear from anyone that can identify with me. I even fear that if I do get into a relationship which lasts through the holidays that I simply won't understand how to de-abstract the holiday so that it feels genuine. Is this the kind of discussion that you have with your significant other? I am almost at the limit of language to describe how I am feeling.

I feel almost sociopathic in this respect because the holidays don't elicit the classic responses of joy and happiness. Instead at the worst, I feel bitter and angry, and at best, I feel neutral. The years of abuse that I suffered have taken their classic toll. The only holiday that I can really relate to is Thanksgiving because it's the only holiday that I experienced any sense of joy and this was because we spent it with my maternal grandmother and grandfather. My poor grandfather - he loved me so very much but his declining health prevented him from being the grandfather he always wanted to be. He had a stroke which left his speech garbled. Some of his last words to me were, "I am so sorry that my body is failing me. I really wanted to teach you how to be a mechanical engineer."

Thanksgiving is now even sad .... holy moly this has gotten long but I needed a brain dump. I am sorry. I miss my grampa Joe very much. Life is cruel - if he hadn't gotten sick my life might have taken an entirely different path. Grampa knew I was different but didn't care one bit at all. He loved me without condition which is more than I can say for just about anyone else, save for my mother. Even to this day, I still get sad around Thanksgiving because he died on Thanksgiving Day in agonizing pain that he couldn't express because of his speech difficulty. I can still see the anguish and torment on his face. So yeah, this is me .... I'm very broken. I never even told anyone I was present for the death of Grampa Joe. I couldn't even face it until now, 28 years later.
 
Aww Matt, how sad for you and I'm so sorry you lost your grandfather in that way. Good though that you have expressed it here. Sounds like a horrific childhood so no wonder you can't find any joy in Christmas, who would who'd been through all that. I hope you find a partner who can begin to give you the love you've never had and find joy in being together. In the meantime treat yourself well as you deserve that. You have the support of this forum I know from reading other posts.
 
I’m sorry about your Grandpa, Mattymatt. The holidays are hard because they bring up so many memories.
I don’t feel like Christmas is anything special, just another day for me too. But sad because everyone else, it seems, is celebrating.
I bought a frozen turkey dinner and just going to hang out at home with my dog. And one of the TV stations is going to have a 12 Crimes of Christmas on, about murders that happened on or around Christmas. So I will be watching that.
Every year I set the bar low for dealing with the holidays and consider it a success to just get through it.
 
I’m sorry about your Grandpa, Mattymatt. The holidays are hard because they bring up so many memories.
I don’t feel like Christmas is anything special, just another day for me too. But sad because everyone else, it seems, is celebrating.
I bought a frozen turkey dinner and just going to hang out at home with my dog. And one of the TV stations is going to have a 12 Crimes of Christmas on, about murders that happened on or around Christmas. So I will be watching that.
Every year I set the bar low for dealing with the holidays and consider it a success to just get through it.
Wow, that's really insightful! I think I am consistently setting the bar too high and it's making things tougher for me. Thank you for your insight.
 
Wow, that's really insightful! I think I am consistently setting the bar too high and it's making things tougher for me. Thank you for your insight.
it made me think !it dawned on me !and it hasn't before !it's the Catholic Church trying to get the worshippers of Saturn ( thus the feast of Saturnalia )to have a relationship (which is the very important part) with Jesus Christ here's me thinking it was to put up a Christmas tree I always laugh when Christians from Bethlehem say 'there is no tree of Christmas in the bible' ,it made me chuckle .
 
Christmas was special for me as a child, but I don't want to upset you with the details. Suffice it to say that it was celebrated in an orthodox catholic manner with fasting for forty days (that is, very little in the way of meat or poultry or fruit) and then as the vigil of the nativity ended at midnight mass everyone had a party and ate all the restricted food. The community I grew up in splintered after vatican II. What I didn't realize until later is that our traditional practices as catholics and it's rituals, were right out of the old testament.

What I still enjoy about christmas is the music, especially choral music. There is a beauty that is difficult to describe, that sends me into a trace like state when I hear it, and creates a kind of calm. As for the holiday itself, there are certain foods that I like and make on that one day per year. Cranberries, croissants for breakfast, an unusual fruit salad. And often nut loaf instead of meat or poultry. For me it's a celebration of what used to be, but now has segued into a calm and quiet day where I don't do much of anything but watch movies and read.
 
Growing up, Christmas saw a huge emphasis on family eating and being together.
Aunts and great aunts, uncles and great uncles, grandparents, parents, cousins and siblings all together for a whole day with an endless supply of food, alcohol and good cheer.

I’m guessing that influence instilled a bone deep idea of what Christmas is.
(Faith aside)
 
I mostly celebrate the religious meaning of Christmas, I went to Christmas Eve service at church tonight with the very traditional singing of "Silent Night" by candle light

I don't spend much on presents, the commercial aspect of Christmas drives me crazy...

I also see Christmas as a time to spend time with friends and family, this year it will be a very simple gathering of no more than six people... Me, my sister, my good friend and his dad, and possibly one more lady...

In between that, a little photography, I've done it before lots... I like going downtown on Christmas Eve after everything is (mostly) closed, wander and photograph... And I usually go for a walk somewhere on Christmas Day, just pick a spot and wander around, camera in tow... My way of relaxing, usually on my own...
 
My memories of Christmas simply meant having a day of nothing to do but enjoy a day of togetherness,
food and presents with just me and Mom and Dad.
Never had company nor went to someone else's party or house.
The outside world just disappeared for the day.
I've always loved decorating and driving around at night to see the light displays.

Now that my parents are gone, the holidays hold no meaning emotionally to me.
I still give a few cards and presents to some people I know, but, it does seem forced and fake.
I've felt depressed and angry this Christmas more than before for some reason since I've lost
my family day. It just hit hard and seemed so real that the good times are gone that I associated with
the Holidays.

I have still been driving around at night some looking at the lights. They are pretty even if
nothing elicits the spirit in me.

I'm sorry to hear you are feeling much the same @Mattymatt over the loss of your Grandfather.
At least I had good years with my parents, but, the feeling is gone.
 
I shall take your thread as a literal one and say that in fact, it is a pagan festival. You see, it was originally based on Jesus' birth, as a way to capture people back to church.

The bible does not even mention the date of his birth, so that shows how unimportant it was to him. Note: CHRISmas?

Now, it is rarely seen as "christian", but a time for presents and familes and basically an excuse to get drunk and be stupid!
 
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Im sorry you had that distressing experience to be there when your grandfather was so ill and sadly died, but I bet your grandfather would be proud and so happy to have been the one who through his kindness and love made such a crucial difference to your experiences. He showed you something different, he was there for you. I hope you manage Christmas as best as possible, it's what you choose to make it now, so you could have some food you like, watch TV, have a walk, listen to music you enjoy.... it's just a day to relax.
 
Christmas is rather a non-event where I live. For me it means over two weeks of disruption, many public holidays one after the other where everything shuts down, services aren't working and if you order anything online, it takes ages to reach you, or if you need something, you can't get it because there are no shops open. I don't go out and don't do much apart from cook and eat, maybe go out for a walk. We don't have visitors, but my partner goes out to friends in the evening and I'm on my own. When I was a kid, it used to be special because we would give each other presents and my dad would take us out for a walk in the countryside in the afternoon, but now it's just an ordinary day really, nothing particularly special about it. I like the quiet of everything shutting down, I like not working for a few days, but I get bored. Lack of stimulation is not something that's a problem for most people at Christmas, I know.
 
For me it's a celebration of what used to be, but now has segued into a calm and quiet day where I don't do much of anything but watch movies and read.
Oh my goodness, yes! That perfectly describes my circumstances, too. I bought a new DVD recently for today which I’ll watch later called ‘Dog Days’. It seems childish, but doesn’t look at all like it going by the back cover. As long as I’m happy, then it doesn’t matter what I watch. :)
 
Matt, my heart goes out to you and everyone who finds this time of year difficult - that includes a lot of people on the spectrum.
I look forward to Christmas now because it's a few days off work to spend with my special someone. The gifts and the food are just gravy.
This Christmas it has become slightly more significant though. Now I've re-engaged with the ASD community online, especially here, I've learned a new appreciation for how lucky I am to be able to enjoy this time. I've had lonely Christmases before, but for some of us we've had nothing but.
Tonight I raise a glass to us all in admiration of our courage and determination to survive, and wish for the lives of all those who are alone at Christmas to have friends or loved ones to share it with this time next year.
 

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