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what makes a genius?

Pats

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What exactly is IQ? Human intelligence quotient. One of the things my autism doctor did in all my testing was an IQ test. I've always known I had an average IQ, I know I'm not a genius. But this test that he gave me, one section had words and I was to choose the picture that best went with that word. But the last 5 or so words, I had never heard those words before in my life. Does that really measure my intelligence? I had no problem with patterns and sequences which involves thinking. The last section had to do with descriptions. He would give 3 descriptions and I would say what it was. The first one was kind of funny. He said "This melts, it burns and made with wax". My first response was chocolate. It does melt and burns if you cook it too long and it contains wax (or paraffin) . But I immediate said, "Oh, wait, you're looking for candle." Candle was the correct answer. But had I stuck with my original correct answer, it would have lowered my IQ? And because of the millions of words in existence and that I have not heard ALL the words, does that really lower my IQ? I wonder if he knows what paraffin is. He didn't know that chocolate had wax in it. So really?

This has always puzzled me. I'm not considered as smart as my sister (the attorney) who was considered genius according to her IQ test scores in school but she can't understand why someone might be mad at her after she has made fun of them. Seriously, she hasn't a clue. There have been times when she and I and my brother have been together and my brother would start talking about something from the Bible and we would get into a discussion. She would respond, "Where are you guys getting this stuff?" or "How do you know that?" She doesn't seem to understand that we're getting the information by reading it and studying it. She was the driver when we went to Utah together. She's climbing up a hill that's straight and the sign at the top says to slow down to 35 mph and has curved lines below the speed limit. She's going about 60 mph and not even thinking about slowing down and I'm telling her to slow down and that the sign is saying 35. She said, "Oh, they don't mean that. It doesn't mean anything." I said, "No, it means that on the other side of the hill you're going to be going down the side of a mountain with curvy roads and you better slow down to 35 or you're going to go off the edge." She did finally slow down when we got to the top and she seen that we were about to go down a curvy road down the side of a mountain. She actually slowed down pretty fast upon realizing this. Does genius get in the way of common sense? It gets in the way of safety.

I had another attorney friend. He could spout off law numbers like it was the alphabet and was so impressive when it come to these old this person vs that person cases and ordinance numbers and so on. It seemed like he had the entire law library memorized. But he and his wife would call me to come and help them when neither of them knew how to hang a curtain rod. I was over there once and they were both frazzled because it was almost Christmas, they had company coming and their new couch that was delivered yesterday had a spot on the cushion and there wasn't time for the store to replace it. They didn't want their guests to see the spot and they just didn't know what they were going to do. I suggested that, for now, they turn the cushion over so the spot wouldn't show. What a life saver I was to them that day, they would have never figured that one out.

I just don't understand what actually measures a person's intelligence. I may not know what the definition of buliga is (however, I would if I looked it up), but I know what side effects a medication might have by knowing what the medication is for. I know what the heart is doing during the Q R S T waves on a heart monitor. Why does knowing this certain word make you a genius but knowing that word does not? I know I can figure things out. I can do anything I set my mind to doing. That doesn't mean I will, just that I could. Just like we had so many trees in our yard in Georgia but my husband wouldn't cut any of them down and cut up the wood for firewood. Instead he bought those expensive firelogs. I'd try to explain that the purpose of the wood stove was to save money on the electric, but using those store bought man made logs cost way more than what the electric would cost. So one day I decided to go to Home Depot and buy a small chainsaw and I would cut some firewood. I could have done it, but I chickened out when I was reading the instruction manual and it started talking about kick backs. So I took the saw back to the store to return it. The lady asked if something was wrong with it and I told her, I didn't even take it out of the box, that I was reading the instruction manual and it scared me. She laughed and said if the manual scared me the saw was really going to scare me. She gave me my money back. So I'm not saying I WILL do anything, because if it scares me I won't. But I can figure out how to do things. My kids CD player was broke and I took it apart. I had no idea what I was looking for, but I figured I couldn't mess it up any worse by trying to fix it. I fixed it. I will get something in my mind that I want in my home, like I wanted to make a hanging shower curtain to go all the way around a tub. I told the man at Home Depot what I was wanting to do and he told me it was impossible. I found what I thought would work, went home and put it together and it was exactly what I wanted.

So I'm not a genius. Thank goodness I'm not a genius. I'm one of those people that likes to do EVERYTHING myself. Besides I'm not going to ask for help. I would endanger myself before asking for help. The only thing I know I can't do is use electric saws of any kind, so I might have to ask someone to cut a board for me. I will use a handsaw if the job is small enough though. I may end up with a few cuts on my hand, which is why I won't use electric saws - I would end up losing the whole hand. I'm not the safest with tools. I once put a hole in my eyeball with a screwdriver. I may not always do the best job, but I do it and if I were a what society considers genius I probably wouldn't be able to do any of these things.
 
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I have a tested genius IQ. But when it comes to the real world? I would say that I'm average. When it cone to patterns, science, logic and math? I excel very well in those areas and find comfort and solace in those areas as well. But when it comes to people and their emotions? I don't do so well. In-fact, if there was an IQ test for emotion. I would be lower then average. If you ask me? I think that all human brains have the same capacity and to excel in one area. You have to give up something in an other area to make room for it. The part that really sucks about this is that you don't get to make that choice. You are set-up this way the day you where born and all you can do is just make the best you can with what you got.
 
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What truly makes a genius? - Creation and publicity.

Societies usually have its share of very bright people. However it's those you hear of that leaves everyone talking about. Those who have created something extraordinary rather than merely possessing such an intellect who otherwise may appear to be very ordinary people living ordinary lives.
 
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It doesn't matter what your IQ is as far as "genius" is concerned. Genius requires important, original work in an acknowledged field of achievement. The rest is just attempts to satisfy personal egos and mythmaking. There's no such such as a genius in sports, for instance, or entertainment. Something real has to be created, not a high score or a bit of ephemera that catches the media's eye for a while. If you have an IQ of 160, it's more likely to result in unusual powers of memorization than the creation of anything that would be judged as genius. There are very exclusive organizations for people who have IQs at a so-called genius level. Real geniuses are too busy creating to bother with such ego-boosting.
 
Common sense is definitely not the same as IQ! I don’t know what the value is by testing using words the test taker hasn’t had exposure to. Sounds more like a test of the education level or quality that the person received.
Wasn’t it Einstein that couldn’t learn to tie his own shoes? That reminds me of your sister who couldn’t figure out how to turn a cushion over! Lol “Making do” is a very valuable life skill. I think your Make Do Quotient is genius level!
 
Innovation is a huge factor. Create something new that grabs the interest of the public? Congrats, you're a certified genius! Intelligence may or may not have played a part in it, but once you're recognized as one that's good enough right?

I can also define it as having an IQ of 160 or greater (assuming IQ has everything to do with genius), but the term is so loosely used that it would be impossible to pin it down to a single definition.
 
Common sense is definitely not the same as IQ! I don’t know what the value is by testing using words the test taker hasn’t had exposure to. Sounds more like a test of the education level or quality that the person received.
Wasn’t it Einstein that couldn’t learn to tie his own shoes? That reminds me of your sister who couldn’t figure out how to turn a cushion over! Lol “Making do” is a very valuable life skill. I think your Make Do Quotient is genius level!
I want to agree but then I'd sound arrogant because I'd be agreeing to the Make Do Quotient statement, too. lol And the words used, I don't think would measure level of education as much as just how well have you studied your dictionary. :) From the genius' that I know, I've always been glad to have more common sense over a high IQ, which is more book smart.
Also would like to say, I'm in no means trying to take away from those on this forum with high IQ's, mostly the test I was given.
 
hi,

I was called a "genius" as a kid. mainly because i was very skilled in maths and have a good memory. I quickly found out that is not is not everything. I am very bad at language and pratical thinking. My ability to deal with people or emotions is also very bad. I did a IQ test once but I almost had a breakdown during it. after a short break, I finished it and scored 117. Most people estimate me way higher but that is subjective.

I do not consider myself above average, I have some self esteem issues and a history of being bullied. What I think a genius is, is not just a IQ test results. I see that more of a potential of learning and retaining information. But intelligence is a way bigger than just that. I do believe there are multiple types of intelligence.

So that is my opinion about IQ test, they are a very usefull tool to employ but not nearly enough to cover the intelligence spectrum.

But I hope to hear some other opinions about it!
 
This test that he gave me, one section had words and I was to choose the picture that best went with that word. But the last 5 or so words, I had never heard those words before in my life. Does that really measure my intelligence?

That has been a criticism of IQ tests for about the last hundred years. Critics often point out that two people can be equally intelligent, yet one will score lower on the test because he's not a native English-speaker. That's an extreme case, but the point is similar to yours - someone raised by academic parents will naturally score higher on the language portions just because they were exposed to more big words.

I had another attorney friend. He could spout off law numbers like it was the alphabet and was so impressive when it come to these old this person vs that person cases and ordinance numbers and so on. It seemed like he had the entire law library memorized. But he and his wife would call me to come and help them when neither of them knew how to hang a curtain rod.

Modern psychologists now believe there are multiple intelligences. You can be a genius at writing, but unable to do even the simplest math, like C.S. Lewis.
 
A bunch of highly educated people obsessed with measuring and categorizing incredibly abstract things according to socio-political norms of their time getting together and creating tests with scoring categories, one of those categories being labelled "genius".
 
Intelligence is not just one thing, it is a range or spectrum of abilities, and hard to measure accurately and objectively. There are too many variables, so many ways of expressing intelligence, including ones not recognised by formal intelligence tests.
 
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I used to hear that we only use around 10% of our brains. It's not true, our brains are very complex and we use 100% of them all the time. But I think most people use that 100% by being really dumb. And if I'm still using 100% of when I make mistakes or forget things or a drawing I make doesn't turn out the way I want it to, I think I may be in trouble.:confused:
 
IQ measures aptitude for learning.

Highly intelligent people can still be highly irresponsible, such as your sister. I see people with a high IQ do stupid stuff all the time, although not as often as I see people with low IQ do stupid things.

Stupidity is just a human trait, I'm afraid.
 
For me the word "genius" has become as meaningless as "celebrity" or "star". It's bandied about and applied to people who do not deserve it because they have done something or said something which is popular as often as it is applied to people who have achieved things which have changed the world.
IQ tests are also highly flawed since they only test a very narrow area of intelligence yet they are still held in high esteem. Intelligence comes in many forms. How many times in your life have you come across someone with great theory of mind and emotional intelligence? Someone who charms the pants off everyone they meet, gets invited to every party, gets the best jobs and promotions, is liked by almost everyone, but in practical or intellectual terms, is as dumb as a box of frogs? I've met plenty. I've also known many who have high intellectual or practical intelligence who have never got very far in life because someone more likeable, but less capable than them, always pips them to the post.
A great many AS & HFA people fall into the category of "clever but awkward" because they may have significant intellectual, academic, practical or artistic intelligence, but lack the superior theory of mind and emotional intuition that allows less capable people to thrive and prosper.
It brings to mind that old adage - "It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know..." and if you're not very good at getting to know people or building networks, you're in for an uphill struggle.
 
Apparently there is a particular human gene (OR6A2) which determines whether or not you like parsley, coriander (cilantro?) and capers. My wife and I can't stand any of those, which is quite handy at dinner time :)
 

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