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Why is family so against it (Asperger's)?

Effy

self-advocating autistic
I'm putting this here, even though it could technically easily stretch across the relationships and parents categories.

Second note: This is raw/unedited, thus I may have rambled too much/missed a point sometimes and/or not been as clear as intended/desired. I apologize in advance for that.​

A family member recently found out I'm an Aspie, and immediately I was trashed and rumors began spreading -- very much the same way rumors start spreading once someone becomes America's Most Wanted whether they're true or not, just because people are so shocked and using any and every little thing for this to assume things. Things were said that were not and never would be true, e.g. "[Cousin's name] posted on Facebook that she was accepted into [college name], next thing [my first name (I DON'T go by it anymore, they refuse to acknowledge it)] posts on Facebook that she is taking classes from [college name]." The number one problem? I'm not going to college/don't plan to go -- not because I'm an Aspie, but because I view it as pointless, considering I can easily find various classes elsewhere and know how to develop/create things enough without a college degree -- I'd also work toward a degree in dance if I went to college/university at all.

I don't understand why this happened, because I really do keep to myself. You know all that stuff the media works up about autism when they're using it as a scapegoat? That's what happened to me personally. I was always able to just ignore it when the media was so negative about it, but considering it happened to me from a family member, it was more personal and insulting and tragic and just so difficult to process and understand and handle.

Now, it's somewhat resolved, though the way the aforementioned family member tried to comfort me would have worked for that of a fellow NT, as it was actually more insulting to me as an Aspie, especially considering I'm pretty sure my dad is also an Aspie, as well as my youngest brother/his son, and not my mother, something people on this side seem to think... They think I got "all this stuff" from my mother, who has Bipolar Disorder and an abusive husband whom I cannot (and have tried to) break her away from. (I also contacted CPS regarding him, though they did nothing, but I am working on figuring out how I can become independent without having too much stress so I can finish raising them myself if necessary/offer a safe place for them to stay in the event that they decide/wish/want/need/etc. to move out.)

But all of this is beside the point, and I don't want feedback on the abuse and whatnot, because it's a trigger, and I'm tired of the toxicity that accompanies discussions revolving around it (e.g. people worrying and saying I need to do more, though I've literally done everything and am past the age of statutes).

Moving on, I frequent many blogs by parents regarding their autistic children. They are disappointed their child(ren) have autism and constantly wish they had "normal" children instead. I'm just one autistic in a world of many, but when I read that, it hurts. I break for those children whose parents find them less than because they're autistic. I break because those parents search for answers, sometimes wishing shock treatment would work, or that they could "spank the autism out". Why is the stigma regarding autism so awful that parents feel this way? Why are autistics sometimes regarded as "the Devil's children"?

Most of all, what is truly wrong with an autistic child? What makes us so unlovable that parents wish they hadn't had us -- that parents feel insulted and like a failure when they learn their children is autistic, that spouses divorce over this, that spouses fight over whose fault it is? Why does there have to be a reason?

Furthermore, I'm one of the Aspies who wants to marry an NT. I want to, because I feel like they would be able to help me be a parent. I don't want to have sex or kiss, and maybe that will change (thus I'm interested in someone who's a grey ace/asexual/demisexual and might want to get physically intimate, but could also live without it), mostly because I don't want to personally birth a child, as none of that sounds attractive for me personally at all. I'm not interested in going through pregnancy/labor/etc., but I want to adopt. I want to have children through adoption. I'm very passionate about that. Yet, there is a community of NTs out there who are very against NTs and Aspies mating, because we're this horrendous race of people that needs to be put down.

And I just want to know why. I'm a PROUD Aspie, and this is apparently extremely "wrong" according to NTs, and I guess that that is the problem: I'm so accepting and proud of my Aspieness that I don't understand what's wrong with being an Aspie/having an Aspie child.
 
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You can get a degree in dancing? Cool! Ahem, er, yes, mean relatives are no fun when they use the tiniest things they can find and blow it all out of proportion and use it against you. If it's any comfort, not all parents are disappointed having autistic kids. From what I can tell, only the over-controlling buttholes are the ones too caught up with having a stereotypical picture-perfect life who have trouble accepting their children as they are and regret how they are. My mom hates it I have sensory issues because of how much they irritate me and I find that understandable from a parent's view, but she and my sis are jealous of that bluntness that comes with autism. :yum: I can toss you a blog link to a mom I adore whose husband and daughter are perfectly fine with her being autistic.

It is quite possible you could have a change of heart about sex if you met the right guy. I was quite aggressively anti-nookie, but my husband turned out being the exception to nearly every rule I have because I feel he's worth it. My personal quirk, I'm sure not every Aspie feels that way toward their mate. Possibly most of my rules with intimacy is based on protecting myself from jerks and less on limiting discomfort. I'm fairly certain he's allistic and not autistic too, so it's not impossible to woo a normal guy. But childbirth really is... Well, let's say it met all my expectations, plus some. Adopt a young'un if you can get away with it.
 
You can get a degree in dancing? Cool! Ahem, er, yes, mean relatives are no fun when they use the tiniest things they can find and blow it all out of proportion and use it against you. If it's any comfort, not all parents are disappointed having autistic kids. From what I can tell, only the over-controlling buttholes are the ones too caught up with having a stereotypical picture-perfect life who have trouble accepting their children as they are and regret how they are. My mom hates it I have sensory issues because of how much they irritate me and I find that understandable from a parent's view, but she and my sis are jealous of that bluntness that comes with autism. :yum: I can toss you a blog link to a mom I adore whose husband and daughter are perfectly fine with her being autistic.

It is quite possible you could have a change of heart about sex if you met the right guy. I was quite aggressively anti-nookie, but my husband turned out being the exception to nearly every rule I have because I feel he's worth it. My personal quirk, I'm sure not every Aspie feels that way toward their mate. Possibly most of my rules with intimacy is based on protecting myself from jerks and less on limiting discomfort. I'm fairly certain he's allistic and not autistic too, so it's not impossible to woo a normal guy. But childbirth really is... Well, let's say it met all my expectations, plus some. Adopt a young'un if you can get away with it.
My disinterest in sex/kissing/etc. is just that I dislike the feeling. :x I dislike being that close physically, and I connect with people more on an intellectual level. I suppose the best way to describe it is Sheldon. I relate to him quite closely. Ah, that's another thing -- she refused to consider/compare Sheldon and I, but it's so unfortunate because yes that's always totally me. c: But I'm a member of some asexual communities and groups, and there are others out there who feel the same, it just takes someone I've things in common with. I doubt it will ever change, but I believe in there being a possibility of anything happening. But I personally define myself as a grey-a.

I'd be up for the blog link c: Would probz be easier, however, if it was through a PM, because I tend to disappear ever so often and forget about threads I've made and discussions I've had. :l
 
[QUOTE="Effy, They are disappointed their child(ren) have autism and constantly wish they had "normal" children instead. I'm just one autistic in a world of many, but when I read that, it hurts. I break for those children whose parents find them less than because they're autistic. I break because those parents search for answers, sometimes wishing shock treatment would work, or that they could "spank the autism out". Why is the stigma regarding autism so awful that parents feel this way? Why are autistics sometimes regarded as "the Devil's children"? [/QUOTE]

Hey Effy I am still a little in shock after reading your post, guessing you were having a angst moment, sorry you're feeling so poorly. Yea my mom is still trying to get the stork to exchange me for a upgrade. And yes it still hurts even after all these years, some people just can't help wanting what they want, and are so blinded by desire they can't see how stupid and hurtful they're being. Please don't get shock treatments, deficits in brain cell connectors will not be helped by losing more brain cells. The good news is the brain does seem to naturally fill in and rewire over time. I am far more normal now than I use to be and I still retain my gifted areas. I do understand where you are coming from on the closeness thing, when I was younger all I wanted was to be left alone so I had a little peace and quiet. However with time the black cloud lifts, and the need for closeness comes, and I regret deeply not spending more time preparing for the option of marriage. I do find all this talk of asexuality quite discouraging. I can't tell you how strong the desire is to have a nice auti or aspie girl who can actually get who I am. You girls are killing me with this ice queen talk, the thought of marriage is scary enough without having to worry about turning my life upside down only to end up splitting rent with a librarian. I don't know maybe I'm too much of a delusional romantic was hoping the warm, tender, thoughtful, working together marriage thing existed somewhere. Sorry Effy I know things are poor enough for you, hope I didn't offend you, most of what I'm said was rhetorical. I was hoping to find more people like me here on this site maybe I'm too H/F to fit in here.
 
I can relate to having family, that aren't accepting of AS. The good news is, that you can sometimes find your own family. I've met many new friends, on this forum, who I now consider to be more like family, than my real family. It's unfortunate that our families may not be willing to accept us, but at least we can find comfort in the thought that there are others out there, who are willing to embrace us.
 
I often get very discouraged over my cousin's inability to understand autism or her reticence to want to try. She has an extensive understanding of medical issues professionally, yet on this subject relevant to myself it's like she hit a brick wall. Very frustrating.
 
Hey Effy I am still a little in shock after reading your post, guessing you were having a angst moment, sorry you're feeling so poorly. Yea my mom is still trying to get the stork to exchange me for a upgrade. And yes it still hurts even after all these years, some people just can't help wanting what they want, and are so blinded by desire they can't see how stupid and hurtful they're being. Please don't get shock treatments, deficits in brain cell connectors will not be helped by losing more brain cells. The good news is the brain does seem to naturally fill in and rewire over time. I am far more normal now than I use to be and I still retain my gifted areas. I do understand where you are coming from on the closeness thing, when I was younger all I wanted was to be left alone so I had a little peace and quiet. However with time the black cloud lifts, and the need for closeness comes, and I regret deeply not spending more time preparing for the option of marriage. I do find all this talk of asexuality quite discouraging. I can't tell you how strong the desire is to have a nice auti or aspie girl who can actually get who I am. You girls are killing me with this ice queen talk, the thought of marriage is scary enough without having to worry about turning my life upside down only to end up splitting rent with a librarian. I don't know maybe I'm too much of a delusional romantic was hoping the warm, tender, thoughtful, working together marriage thing existed somewhere. Sorry Effy I know things are poor enough for you, hope I didn't offend you, most of what I'm said was rhetorical. I was hoping to find more people like me here on this site maybe I'm too H/F to fit in here.

I'm sorry we're killing you, but I must ask what you mean by the "ice queen talk", as I'm not sure how that has anything to do with asexuality. I want to get married, and I'm not as smart as Sheldon or anything, I just want/need someone who understands what exactly it is I do, e.g. dance, some web dev, etc. I recently started identifying as a "grey ace", because it wasn't until last year that I knew it even existed. Maybe sex will happen in the future, I don't know. I want to adopt/have a surrogate, rather than personally carry a child, because the thought of personally birthing a child utterly turns me off from the idea of having sex at all, mostly because, with my luck, chances are I'd wind up pregnant no matter what, and I'm allergic to ALL birth control, save abstinence. What's more, kissing is just awkward, and I don't like it... tonsil hockey is not for me. I don't know where my hands are supposed to go, and how do you even breathe?! It's just... ugh. So weird.

Basically, I want to have someone I can cuddle with sometimes, watch movies with, and love. I can only imagine how awkward sex actually is based on my experience/feelings about kissing. ;)

If it's angst, then I always have it. I don't consider it angst, however; I consider this literally and genuinely me being upset with a lot of people because of the stigma created in society regarding autism and the autistic community.
 
I'm sorry we're killing you, but I must ask what you mean by the "ice queen talk",

Uum..Effy you probably owe me a few smacks for that post..I shouldn't of written it (sorry), a little angst from my own life:rolleyes:. I do understand where you are coming from but am not sure a marriage would work with such a low level of affection. My ex and her family were pushing on the ring, but at the same time she was talking like she wanted to cancel the honeymoon and talking down relations after the wedding. She had some issues from the past and I tried to work with her on it, I suggested we go to counseling before moving any farther on marriage stuff. :( Am done with that mess.:confused: Perhaps in these situations the kind of affection may make a difference too, some people are more tender and thoughtful than others. I get the kissing thing Effy tho, my ex-girlfriend would try to suck my face off like one of Sigourny Weavers little alien friends, Uug! Personally I prefer things to move a little softer and slower, on the hands + kissing thing, a soft caress of the waist, shoulder, back, or neck is nice, depends on where relations are. You can guess on the rest...I do think some kind of warmth is required to hold a marriage together...but perhaps there are different paths to happiness so long as, (both), parties are happy.
 
Furthermore, I'm one of the Aspies who wants to marry an NT. I want to, because I feel like they would be able to help me be a parent. I don't want to have sex or kiss, and maybe that will change (thus I'm interested in someone who's a grey ace/asexual/demisexual and might want to get physically intimate, but could also live without it)...(edit)

Yet, there is a community of NTs out there who are very against NTs and Aspies mating, because we're this horrendous race of people that needs to be put down.

I'm a PROUD Aspie, and this is apparently extremely "wrong" according to NTs,

I must say, finding an NT male partner who will be patient enough with a woman's lukewarm feelings toward sex will be quite a challenge, unless you make a special point of looking for a partner online, though one of the various forums geared to men with low libido or who are asexual. You would definitely not want to go into a relationship with a man who didn't possess either of those characteristics. If they say they'll accommodate you, they're not being honest with themselves, never mind with you. You'd be bringing a child into a marriage where the risk of infidelity runs high.

You might find, however, that you would soften a bit about sexual relations if you were genuinely in love with someone. Perhaps not. I don't know your personal history.

Are you sure you want to marry an NT? You seem to be a bit "us vs. them" about neurotypicals, by some of your comments.

Which community of NTs are you referring to, that is so against AS/NT pairings? I've been hearing rumours of an anti-AS group online. Just wondering if it might be related.
 

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