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Confusion over financial subjects

AprilR

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I have a problem understanding things related to money and financial stuff.

For example foreign money conversion rates, interest rates, anything to do with banking. My parents can get exhausted and angry explaining these things to me. Is anyone else like this? I have had no problem with maths in school, i was always good at it. So i don't understand why i have trouble understanding these concepts.
 
Money itself is an abstract concept, and interest and exchange rates are another layer of abstract on top of that. Not understanding it is no surprise.

Money represents the value of labor or some tangible object. But once we separate that into the concept of money, then we can apply those other concepts of interest on top of it.
 
is it just money of is it wider to include many things around numbers?
Not sure if this is related but i think i also have problems with measuring things. Like when buying furniture i cant visualize how long or wide something is.
 
I was going down the road towards dyscalcula.
I wonder how you would rate in a test for that.
 
I May have to ask this to my psychiatrist.
Is it possible to have it while being good at math?
 
I'm lousy with money. I do approximations in my head and frequently miss the mark. I've gotten into some real financial trouble as the result of my divorce and while I CAN figure things out, it makes my brain hurt and I can only do a couple of hours at a time.

For converting foreign currency, I am also a flop. What I do is figure out roughly what the exchange rate is to my currency the US dollar and then think in dollars.

For example, right now, the euro is about the same as a US dollar. Yes, I know it is lower, about 80% last time I checked. But if I substitute dollars for euros, I will not overspend.

You all are going to think this is crazy, but when I don't know the language and can't figure something out, I just put local cash on the counter and let the cashier pick out what is needed. In Costa Rica one time I had to buy something and I thought they said it was 10,000 whatevers and so I put that much on the counter. They took 10 whatevers and pushed the rest of the money back at me. I have found while traveling that merchants are uniformly honest and attentive. (That doesn't mean they are, and I'm sure people have lots of counter-examples. This has just been my experience.)

After reading all this, some of you are going to say, well, now we know why she is having money problems and you would be right. I tend to estimate things and most of my life that hasn't mattered because my mistakes could be absorbed. Now my mistakes are really costing me. I didn't plan it this way, it just happened.
 
I wish there was a solution or education for these types of things.

It makes me so angry to think i learned countless unnecessary stuff at school but nothing about budgeting, mortgages, any stuff related to money.

No matter how many times my parents explain i still get confused with foreign currency investments and i am worried i will not be able to budget well when they pass away.
 
Everything banking related I find very confusing. I always make a fool of myself when I go to the bank since I know very little about what's going on and the procedures involved and it's got nothing to do with my abilities with numbers, rather banking processes instead.
 
There are apps/online sites for currency conversion as well as loan calculators.

Just type in "currency converter" or "loan calculator" into your search engine. Multiple sites available.

I know this is different than "understanding" the topic, but at least you're likely to get the information you need.

To not have a full grasp of these concepts, especially when it comes to credit cards and loans, is not uncommon. Of course, these banking institutions also throw in "finance fees" and a handful of other fees that can make a "low interest" loan every bit as expensive as a "high interest" loan without the fees. You really have to dig into the details to sort out if you're going to get "screwed" on a loan or not. Debt is a huge issue for many.

Now, throw in things like investment portfolios with all the different types of retirement accounts, money market accounts, ETFs, stocks, bonds, "high risk/high reward", "low risk/low reward", and so on, it can be quite intimidating and confusing.

I don't want to hijack this thread from its primary focus, but a lot of people struggle with their knowledge on these topics. It's a million and one things they never taught us in school. You sort of have to make this a "special interest" and really dig into it. I am convinced that it is one of the primary reasons why the rich become richer and poor become poorer. A kid growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth, with wealthy a family, even if at 18yrs old, they cut him/her off totally from the money, WILL most likely be wealthy within a few years even if they start from nothing. Why? Knowledge. The wealthy have a totally different relationship with their money. They borrow money to make more money. They don't buy "things". They invest. They will go hungry, have nothing, and are willing to suffer in the beginning at seemingly "high risk" in order to achieve a payout in the end. They know how the "rules of money" can be played to their advantage because they sat around the dinner table for their entire lives discussing these things. They know who to talk to. They know the art of "the deal". They know you don't make money, that is, not significant amounts of money when you are an employee. You have to be the owner, the CEO. The majority of us schmucks have been told "If you work hard, live within your means, and save your money, you can get ahead in life." That's not true in the least. Myself and my children were taught in school, our parents, our friends, just enough to become good employees, but not how to make money so that we didn't have to work at all. Why would I put money into a savings account that makes 1-2% interest per year when I can make smart investments and make over 100% per year? I didn't realize this was possible until I started investing on my own. I've 6X my investments in just 3 years! This is just me "dipping my toes" into the market. People who fully commit will borrow 10's of thousands of dollars (buying on margin) at 10% interest, in order to invest in something that might make them 20, 40, 80, 100% interest. Pay off the loan, take out another loan for 100's of thousands of dollars and do the same the next year. This concept and thought process and risk taking is not for the faint of heart, which probably most poor people would never consider. The things never taught to us, that now that I am in my 50's and staring at retirement, I am just discovering this world. Had I known this when I was in my 20's, I'd be living a totally different life.

In my 20's if someone asked me what I would do if I won the lottery and took home $1,000,000, I might answer something like buy a house, a nice car, pay off some bills, donate to charity, whatever. Knowing what I know now, my answer would be invest it all and in a few years, have $100,000,000.
 
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Math itself is methodical and consistent. Economics on the other hand is more often than not quite dynamic in comparison. For me that's a profound difference in many ways.

A timely subject given it's tax time for many of us. I understand law fairly well. Even certain financial metrics and key business ratios as well. The basic math they require isn't all that complex. However trying to understand things like ever-changing tax laws and how the government chooses to explain them can still be daunting for me. Luckily automated processes have helped me to get an answer on certain things, while still not really understanding how they were arrived at.

My point? In essence you may need to make use of those automated processes that provide you with an accurate answer, even if and when you don't really know how they were arrived at.
 
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What i don't understand is not only taxes, but also foreign currency buying and selling rates. And whether higher or lower rate is more profitable.

My dad tried to explain to me several times but he got angry at last and i am scared of asking again. I feel worthless and stupid.
 
Math itself is methodical and consistent. Economics on the other hand is more often than not quite dynamic in comparison. For me that's a profound difference in many ways.

A timely subject given it's tax time for many of us. I understand law fairly well. Even certain financial metrics and key business ratios as well. The basic math they require isn't all that complex.

However trying to understand things like ever-changing tax laws and how the government chooses to explain them can still be daunting for me. Luckily automated processes have helped me to get an answer on certain things, while still not really understanding how they were arrived at. :rolleyes:

We use a CPA to file our taxes. We still have to collect all the paperwork and fill out the CPA's questionnaire, but he knows current tax laws and we don't. It's worth the annual cost to pay him, and he'll back us up if we get audited.
 
What i don't understand is not only taxes, but also foreign currency buying and selling rates. And whether higher or lower rate is more profitable.

My dad tried to explain to me several times but he got angry at last and i am scared of asking again. I feel worthless and stupid.

Get a phone app to convert currency. I use one when we travel in foreign countries.
 
We use a CPA to file our taxes. We still have to collect all the paperwork and fill out the CPA's questionnaire, but he knows current tax laws and we don't. It's worth the annual cost to pay him, and he'll back us up if we get audited.

Good point. For some of us, we can find online "devices" to get the answers we need. Even when we don't fully understand how they were arrived at. For other more sophisticated considerations, hiring a specialist may be the optimal answer.
 
Get a phone app to convert currency. I use one when we travel in foreign countries.

Exactly! Let the app do all the real "thinking". Especially in the case of currency conversion where the numbers can change so quickly with the clock.
 
Get a phone app to convert currency. I use one when we travel in foreign countries.
Thank you, i will look for one. Do i have to enter the buying rate or selling rate when i use these type of apps?

Edit: ok i looked it up again and it is selling rate. ( ı hope)
 
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I have a problem understanding things related to money and financial stuff.

For example foreign money conversion rates, interest rates, anything to do with banking. My parents can get exhausted and angry explaining these things to me. Is anyone else like this? I have had no problem with maths in school, i was always good at it. So i don't understand why i have trouble understanding these concepts.

Money exchange rates: You use one currency to obtain a different currency. Usually the exchange dealer will charge a fee for the service, this will be reflected on the buy and sell prices that the exchange have. So lest say there are 2 currencies A and B, the value of the coins is 2A for 1B. But if you take 2A, they will not give you 1B they will give you 0.9B keeping the 0.1 for them but if you take 1B they will not give you 2A, instead they will give you 1.8 keeping 0.2 for them. The same is true with gold, silver... and so on...

Interest rates: This is the profit of lending money... so the one that lends the money get pay more than what they lent out. So for example Joe lend Bob 1000 but Bob pay back 1100 in this case the interest rate was 10%... there are different ways to structure this deal, with monthly payments that can run for years and what not... when it gets complicated like this, what you need to see is an amortization table. You can find online websites that will generate this for you, also can download spreadsheets and what not. It is very interesting to study this tables and it helps to understand the different kind of loans that are out there.

Banking: This is the act of taking money from people to store it in a secure way, then lending out this money at an interest.
 
No matter how many times my parents explain i still get confused with foreign currency investments and i am worried i will not be able to budget well when they pass away.
This is an odd mixture of topics: There's no direct connection between foreign currency investments and budgeting.

You should treat any explanation of investing in other currencies as TMI until you learn some basics.

What i don't understand is not only taxes, but also foreign currency buying and selling rates. And whether higher or lower rate is more profitable.

My dad tried to explain to me several times but he got angry at last and i am scared of asking again. I feel worthless and stupid.

You're not seeing it from the correct perspective. Those rates describe what the trader does, not what you do.

Currency Traders buy and and sell currencies.

* If you want some foreign money, from such a trader, it's like buying groceries: you select a product (some foreign currency) and the quantity, and they exchange it for your local currency at their selling price (rate).
" Unlike a grocery store, traders will also buy from their customers. In this case they exchange to local currency at their buying rate, which will be less than their selling rate.

Note that there are questions that will make people lose interest in explaining this stuff. A common one is "why doesn't everyone just use USD?", but there are many more.

Currency trading is simple for its small customers. Understanding money the way an Economist does isn't simple at all. Sometimes questions about the first are actually questions about Economics, so they're often best left unanswered.
 
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