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Any audio production hobbyists?

I have a bit of a similar "al cheapo" set-up and having a simple mic preamp boost the signal going into the computer actually makes it usable now. Those things don't cost too much (here's mine). Before (and still, at times) I'd use the preamp section of an old hifi tuner/amplifier I had laying around as a that'll do solution, but I never tried it with the computer, just the 4-track. It might not be pristine and all, but it worked.
That being said, I'm not that knowledgable about this stuff myself. Just figuring things out as I go along. The only recording I do these days is to monitor my own progress playing and singing.
 
Yeah, a preamp would be very helpful. That's been a consideration for me, too. Thanks for the link, I bookmarked it. Maybe someday. I'd like to get back into the production side of things officially, at least through collaboration. It was a positive thing for me. I guess I'm a natural born performer, I get a great deal out of sharing my offerings and having them enjoyed. I write complete songs (various genres) in my head but with the gap between the finished product in my head, and my lack of knowledge of how to translate those elements into the DAW, it gets too frustrating for me and I find it ridiculously impossible to cope with learning the DAW step by step, it's like, I _need_ to get this entire song out, nowww before it's lost. It's almost like channelling, Lol. That's why collaborations with people who have ability with DAWs works a lot better for me. That's the prison of ADHD.

The practice tune I've been working on lately is actually Radiohead's 'There There', as it works really nicely for my range and I can torch song the hell out of it. It's fun. : D
 
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Yeah, a preamp would be very helpful. That's been a consideration for me, too. Thanks for the link, I bookmarked it. Maybe someday. I'd like to get back into the production side of things officially, at least through collaboration. It was a positive thing for me. I guess I'm a natural born performer, I get a great deal out of sharing my offerings and having them enjoyed. I write complete songs (various genres) in my head but with the gap between the finished product in my head, and my lack of knowledge of how to translate those elements into the DAW, it gets too frustrating for me and I find it ridiculously impossible to cope with learning the DAW step by step, it's like, I _need_ to get this entire song out, nowww before it's lost. It's almost like channelling, Lol. That's why collaborations with people who have ability with DAWs works a lot better for me. That's the prison of ADHD.

The practice tune I've been working on lately is actually Radiohead's 'There There', as it works really nicely for my range and I can torch song the hell out of it. It's fun. : D

Maybe try to keep things simple. The thing with DAWs seems to be that the immense amount of editing options can easily trigger a perfect loop of indecisiveness. If you're just trying to get that idea down on track you kinda want to be able to press record and go. If your strong point is performing, try to mimic somewhat of a live setting, and worry about (post)-production later. Use a basic set-up and keep it as much the same as possible, so you have something familiar to fall back on when the spirit comes a-knockin'. Fewer options aren't always a bad thing.

Or maybe not. I mean, I might be projecting a little much here. I'm still very much looking for a set up that works myself. Right now I've set things up to go into the computer, because it's handier when it comes to learning and playing along with things. But for recording or looking for ideas I'd rather have the signal go into my Portastudio, with the output of that being recorded on the computer or maybe even the old iphone. That way there's only a limited amount of buttons to push and knobs to turn, and no big computer screens to distract me.

A couple years ago I read an interview with John Frusciante on how he struggled with one album (can't recall the name) he recorded digitally, in a regular studio, because there were too many things to try. All the possibilities made it too enticing to keep searching how to make it better, how to weed out all the little mistakes and such, instead of just playing. Sort of what Radiohead experienced during the recording for Kid A and Amnesiac, but for them that ability to experiment aimlessly turned out to be a necessity.

Basically, for channeling, you need a channel. Dug and ready. Preferably as straight on as possible, with the fewest amount of locks possible. So when that inspiration comes along, it doesn't have to have to go into uncharted territory, but can sail right through. Easy breezy. It's somewhat off topic but I'm finding more and more importance in that principle. Having my typewriter in the open and always having a sheet of paper in it, makes me write more, because it's just there, ready to be used. The same with my woodworking tools, or the paint. Ideally I'd have a specific stand alone set up for every kind of task, but I'm not there yet. I used to rearrange all my furniture every few weeks. Now I'm sort of down to a summer and winter set-up, but it still itches. Anyway, as I said, somewhat off topic. Merely therapeutic.

Edit: Not the article I intended, but same story. The album was Shadows Collide With People.
 
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Ok, I absorbed your post Daniel. Yes, you're right, I don't have monitors but I do have some speakers, they're not that good but they're a bit better than the typical computer speakers. They're these that I've had for 13 years, Lol, but my sub is a lot different. Amazon.com: Monsoon MM-702 Flat Panel Audio Speaker System: Electronics

My equipment really is a mess and sometimes I honestly think I should just throw up my hands and give up, I mean, it's like you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. But even if I can just share stuff with friends I guess it's worthwhile. And it's like, I _have_ to create and perform, it's an entelechy thing.

I found some links that I had saved in a notepad so I thought I'd share them in case anyone else got anything out of them. And also, for anyone that samples or is interested in historical recording, I have a rar with the earliest known recordings on it. They're quite fascinating. I would be more than happy to send them to anyone, just PM me and ask. The rar is 22 megs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_gate
http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-lamedrop.php
http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20AudioDither.html

Splice <--- really good platform for collaboration

*edit- I had to take out a few as they were 404. sorry. Strange, because two redirected to some very strange places. Blargh.
 
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But even if I can just share stuff with friends I guess it's worthwhile. And it's like, I _have_ to create and perform, it's an entelechy thing.

I agree with this, and with gonzerd's suggestion to focus on your strengths. I love the story of the Velvet Underground's third album--someone stole all their gear, so they couldn't make all the crazy loud noise they were used to, and so Lou Reed just wrote a bunch of killer simple songs. I also love Wordsworth's sonnet, "Nuns Fret Not at Their Convent's Narrow Room", which is about what gonzerd said: too much freedom can be a hindrance, and limits can free you to focus on creating.

I'd say it's more important to get the song and the performance fully realized than the production. And that's more within your control (and budget). A rough gem is worth far more than a polished turd! And it's not the box that counts, it's the corn flakes.

Glad you appreciated my brain dump. "Entelechy"--thank you for the new word! I'm currently writing and recording songs for the first time since 2006, and that's how I feel about it... I want these ideas in my head to be fully realized.

But I'm also making it simpler this time. I used to use the DAW to compose, but I'd fall in the trap of making music that would need six or seven players to duplicate live (same thing the Moody Blues used to do). So this time around, I'm writing tunes that could be played by a solo singer with guitar or piano, or at most a four-piece ensemble. (Like, really, do I need to arrange for electric mandolin?)
 
Oh man. I had a response typed up to your post gonzerd, and I was quite proud of it, I went afk for awhile and came back to some technical difficulties, and had to restart my computer, and it's gone. Aaagh. I'll try and rewrite it in a while. And I so get you both, it's like controlled freedom. Like, freedom with a net. The perfect balance.
 
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I'll chime in here. My rig is an XP system with Reason 5 slaved to a custom PC with Sonar X2 via MIDI. Outboard gear includes two PreSonus FireStudio Projects for a total of 16 ins/outs. Used to use a Lexicon Lambda USB interface but the latency was just unbearable. Everything gets mixed through a Mackie SR32-4 console for that thick analog sound. I like the hands-on approach to mixing as opposed to pointing and clicking with a mouse. As far as vocals go, I use an MXL 990 condenser straight into one of the FireStudio interfaces. A USB mic may work in a pinch, but sometimes I may want to run the mic through a hardware compressor for a little bit of dynamic control, which I wouldn't be able to do with a USB mic.

Here's a little sample of my work...
 
Basic rule of recording. Good initial recording/sample > Tedious amounts of post processing.

Focusrite 2i4 and audio technica 2035. Works fine for me, but I don't really do vocals. The technicas are probably not the best vocal mic though.
 
A box, like the Snap Recorder is also a big help. Don't buy one though, you can build or have someone build one for you for under $20.00 USD (less if you already have foam and wood laying about.) Here is the for sale version, it's portable and, really does make that lower cost equipment produce something closer to studio quality.

We use them when we shoot open air videos and, when we cut an album while on tour - how to make a hotel room or tour bus into a professional sounding recording studio for under 100 USD. Yep we use "cheap" equipment too, it just doesn't sound cheap by the time we get done adjusting the acoustics of the room or location we plan to record in.

Boxes like this, mattresses against walls, tents amid a grove of trees, cardboard on a rocky cliff face - all no or low cost trick no one SHOULD be telling you but, hey don't tell an Aspie if you don't want her telling other sound geeks. :P (Impossible not to tell me since I record with those tricks quite often.)
 
A good engineer / producer can make even the cheapest of equipment sound good. To me, there is a difference between cheap and bang-for-the-buck. I like the ideas mentioned by Beverly (even done a couple myself (Mattresses, thick blankets, etc.) You don't need to spend a fortune on "specialized acoustic treatment."
 
I just finished a home studio that will be used for professional recording, we've started an album in there already. it is a 10 foot by 10 foot room, plus the production booth. Equipment, building the addition to my home and all, total cost $10,250.00 USD. I know sounds like a lot until you realize there was no room there at all and, that includes extending the foundation of my house, building a complete room and, equipping it to be a studio, with the capability to burn commercial CDs and, release digitally as well.

Rubber, wood look flooring - Allure Brand. It looks like hardwood but it's rubber, better acoustics, less foot noise, static reduction so, less interference noise to deal with. A bunch of old mattresses I got free because a local motel got new ones - perfect for the walls, they double as insulation. I did cover them with cloth for asthetics but, that is optional. LED lighting, a bit spendy there but, worth it for the savings down the road, those things use very little power and, by doing that, I have insured my studio will be able to run off my generator when the power goes out here. (happens a lot.) The recording booth for solo work is just foam (blue board) insulation coverd in fabric and bath molding and Gorrilla glue to hold it together to make a booth. Mic in a box and, there you go, sounds perfect and, it's cheap, especially if you can salvage (offer to clean up) construction sites for free, you get to keep any materials you want that the construction crew is discarding.

As DJ pointed out, if you already had the room, you could buld a professional studio from salvage, and equip it for under 5 grand USD, and become your own label and production company and, it would work if you did music, audio books, motion picture sound effects, recorded motivational speaking or, any form of audio that sells. He calims it's the cheapest way for an audio geek of any variety to get a job - own your own business, you won't refuse to hire yourself. He's right, promotion is easy enough to do, there are social marketers that actually give out their expert advice for free these days and, you can contract out the graphic work if you can't do it yourself.
 
I've been thinking about building some gobos as well, maybe out of 2x4, some plywood, cover them with some camping foam or blueboard. Then I could very easily change the size/shape, and possibly sound of the room. Would be cool especially when tracking drums with natural room ambiance.
 
Add clips for holding additional pieces of foam/blue board or blankets, comforters, etc... and you can create all sorts of variation. Trade the second layer of foam out for paneling with spacers behind it and, you simulate a large auditorium that has a slight echo to it - handy now and then.
 
I remember reading somewhere that most people on the go set up 3 mic stands and just throw a blanket over then for a quick vocal booth.
 
That's the quick and dirty method, and it works alright but, a couple of mattresses, or one of those boxes for each mic does a better job and, is almost as fast to set up. And In a Hotel, you definitely want to use every mattress you can get - keep form disturbing other guests of the hotel so much when you rehearse or record.
 

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