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Autism and compassion

I have another questions:
When you see someone cry, do you feel like crying?
When you see someone being hurt, what do you feel?

I do not feel like crying when I see someone cry. I would certainly feel the desire to comfort them based on my knowledge that crying people are clearly sad. I would not want anyone to be sad.

If I saw someone getting hurt I'd would experience anger and put a stop to it. This has nothing to do with empathy or aspergers.

Couple things: 1) What I am referring to above regarding empathy is the ability for someone to non-verbally express things to me in a way that I would then experience and share the same emotions. That, to me, is something that I was not aware of. 2) Your second example is curious in the sense that it does not really relate to the definition I posted. I am talking about the ability to feel emotions that are conveyed non-verbally. Watching someone get hurt is something completely different and a greatly troubling event for anyone. I don't think there would be any difference between an NT or aspie response to a situation such as that - and that would be to intervene and stop it - anything less is just wrong.
 
Every time I write something attempting to explain my emotions I constantly feel the need to edit, expand, or redact the posting.

So - It just occurred to me. I am an aspie trying to explain my emotional state? Uhhhh. Is that not like waiting for a bus in a town that you're not sure has bus service?

While I have no urge to remove anything I have written I look back on it and realize that I genuinely suck at trying to explain this - by definition. So don't expect anything to be explained too clearly - at least by me. Now I need to find a good concrete discussion on diesel engines, motorcycles or airplanes - where I can write in clear detail for HOURS AND HOURS and hours. .




(Credit where credit is due: The bus analogy is stolen from Roger Ebert (RIP) writing on a completely different subject - a bad movie - but it's fitting here also)
 
I feel for people in front of me.
But when they are gone out of my life for a bit, then they are gone. It's as if I am living an immediate life with a very vague past.

And... I don't think I give people what they want from me. I don't know when to hug someone in distress. That I am doing something not welcome. They don't need some big weird crazy guy hugging them and they're got enough problems. I just don't know how to judge it.
And I know that people can't see it in me. I DO care about them. I do. But my care is invisible to them. I appear cold.
 
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If by this topic you mean "empathy", I have so much of that stuff I don't know what to do with it sometimes. When people I hardly knew die, I grief. I don't for the person that died, I grieve for the people that loved/cared for that person. I'm going through that with one of my close friends now since he pretty much found his roommate's lifeless body a week before spring break. The entire music department was absolutely FLOORED. We had no idea where this came from, and it hit us SO HARD.

Another example is this funeral I just played for. I knew the name, but we never exchanged conversation... but I KNEW how this man's death was impacting the community with great reflection, especially for improving lives of local military veterans. He was the reason a lot of things happened in Fresno for our city's veterans in just the last 20 years of his life, which means this probably affected my grandfather at one point before his death last year (my grandfather was in the Army for 16 years, but no combat). I was crying every 5 minutes during that service because there were so many people in that room that were extremely grateful for his huge efforts in the valley, and many of their speeches talked in great detail about his work. It was incredible and it made me wear my heart on my sleeve that much more.

The next example is my job in my fraternity. I am in charge of the protection of our ritual. It is one of the most beautiful things I have ever been in charge of. This sisterhood (yes, we are a fraternity for women. The Alpha chapter formed in 1903 which was before the term "sorority" was first used in 1926. Because we were already a fraternity, it was a permanent thing. We do address the organization as a sisterhood.) has done so much for me in college (like making it suck a lot less, for one thing! haha!), and the best part of it is the love that is in every nook and cranny of what we do. We are an organization for women who have a sincere interest in music and are musicians, and we support projects that support music often financially when we can. The things I can't tell you are pretty much everything I am in charge of. We keep it a secret and unless you're becoming a member, you don't get to witness most of it. I can guarantee you that it's some of the most heartfelt words you will ever hear in your life, and I cry at every single initiation. It's that beautiful.
 
I do not feel like crying when I see someone cry. I would certainly feel the desire to comfort them based on my knowledge that crying people are clearly sad. I would not want anyone to be sad.

If I saw someone getting hurt I'd would experience anger and put a stop to it. This has nothing to do with empathy or aspergers.

Couple things: 1) What I am referring to above regarding empathy is the ability for someone to non-verbally express things to me in a way that I would then experience and share the same emotions. That, to me, is something that I was not aware of. 2) Your second example is curious in the sense that it does not really relate to the definition I posted. I am talking about the ability to feel emotions that are conveyed non-verbally. Watching someone get hurt is something completely different and a greatly troubling event for anyone. I don't think there would be any difference between an NT or aspie response to a situation such as that - and that would be to intervene and stop it - anything less is just wrong.

No, that's cool. What I was trying to see if there's a connection between ability to "copy" emotional reactions and experiencing appropriate emotions and empathy.
I only want to cry if a person who cries experience something that I've experienced personally. The weird thing, it's true about people who are on the brink of death... Even though I haven't been dying besides the moment just after I was born, when I almost died. But I did see a lot of dead people... Weird ...
As for people being hurt... So feelings that those situations awaken can't be associated with empathy... I though it was a part if it. It's just we look at it this way: "this is wrong" and other people might look at it this way: "poor kid" or something... But I'm going to read your additional message right now and see if there's anything else in there :)

Every time I write something attempting to explain my emotions I constantly feel the need to edit, expand, or redact the posting.

So - It just occurred to me. I am an aspie trying to explain my emotional state? Uhhhh. Is that not like waiting for a bus in a town that you're not sure has bus service?

While I have no urge to remove anything I have written I look back on it and realize that I genuinely suck at trying to explain this - by definition. So don't expect anything to be explained too clearly - at least by me. Now I need to find a good concrete discussion on diesel engines, motorcycles or airplanes - where I can write in clear detail for HOURS AND HOURS and hours. .

(Credit where credit is due: The bus analogy is stolen from Roger Ebert (RIP) writing on a completely different subject - a bad movie - but it's fitting here also)
Don't worry. You don't suck at it. You don't have to do it like others, you do it the way you do it.

Like, a therapist asked my one time, how do you feel usually. My son's not answering, looking at her like she's crazy. So she's asking: "do you feel happy, do you feel sad?" And his answer was, "normal. I feel normal". And I was laughing because that's what I would answer. Of course you don't feel happy all the time, or sad, you do feel normal :D I also call it... Plain :)

I feel for people in front of me.
But when they are gone out of my life for a bit, then they are gone. It's as if I am living an immediate life with a very vague past.

And... I don't think I give people what they want from me. I don't know when to hug someone in distress. That I am doing something not welcome. They don't need some big weird crazy guy hugging them and they're got enough problems. I just don't know how to judge it.
And I know that people can't see it in me. I DO care about them. I do. But my care is invisible to them. I appear cold.

I also have no clue, and I almost always do the wrong thing no matter how well I know a person... Or how well I seem to know a person. I usually don't hug people, I don't like unexpected hugs, I need to be ready for them (unless it's a family member, with family it's different) :) but I can hug a woman if I can clearly see she's been crying and especially if she was talking about the reason for crying. As for saying anything comforting, I've given up completely. I just know what to say, and that's it. As for my family, it's different. In many cases we don't need to talk.
 
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If by this topic you mean "empathy", I have so much of that stuff I don't know what to do with it sometimes.

Good! From what I have read, there are also aspies that are experience too much empathy (hyper-empathy).

Epath13: YES. Normal, usual, regular, plain - That's the way I usually feel.
 
I have another questions:
Do you think you would want people to give you attention when you're in trouble, pain of some sort?

To me getting plain attention isn't the same as helping. For what I've come to know myself I can tell that there's not much need to feel for being understood as it really doesn't change anything. If compared two situations, where in first example I fail to express how I feel and therefore none wants to show their compassion because of misunderstanding (yet else they would've supported with pleasure), and in second I intentionally distort the true nature of events to gain more sympathy, but really can't benefit from it knowing it's based in a lie, I could only draw a conclusion that compassion really gets you nothing to hold.
Knowing whether people judge or support us can only affect on how much we will want to continue on, and that's only if we are too concerned about what others might think. We can still carry on without anything and feel strong of ourselves, or keep on crying after getting support. Someone really offering help is totally different case. Also, words can be untold, but actions can't be taken away after received.

So when I'm crying, it won't help no matter how many people comes to cry with me. What make me feel slightly better is someone to offer me a hug, a shoulder to lean, a napkin, a piece of chocolate, comfort, someone to tell me I'll do better next time. But the only thing to get me standing up is someone to teach me how to do better next time.

I don't think I give people what they want from me. I don't know when to hug someone in distress. That I am doing something not welcome. They don't need some big weird crazy guy hugging them and they're got enough problems. I just don't know how to judge it.

This is what I often think. Sometimes I know when to hug, but acting like that just isn't me. Even that other would be deeply in sorrow, I can't really see how it would benefit them if I reached out of my comfort zone. I might ask them to tell about their feelings or memories for so long that they do self realize that something might have to be done. I believe it has to come as person's own idea in order to get any further in actions. It doesn't help how much others tell someone what they should feel or do.
And if my capability in sympathy is measured by that action, then yes, I can do it, but it's not fluent for me in any case. It's just forced act before I can do what I really am good at.
Does it count? I don't know if all others either do these naturally by their heart.
 
I'm still not too sure about this subject, and nearly made a similar thread myself a short while back in an effort to understand it more.

I think I have very little empathy in the way I undertand it. If someone is upset, whether mad or sad, I do not feel mad or sad with them. I also understand empathy as to mean an ability to feel "one" with others at times of anger, sadness, and joy. I don't experience this either. Compassion though is totally different. I am loaded with compassion, too much actually. If I were to see someone in danger, hurt, or in need of physical help, I feel much compassion for them and would help them out without second thought. I would even be willing to put myself in danger to do so. One of my main frustrations with most of the general public is because I perceive them as having very little compassion. It's all over youtube for example. The so called injury "fail" videos. I do not understand why so many people enjoy watching people get hurt. The show "It only hurts when I laugh" is another good example. Why would anyone laugh after watching someone get hurt, or break their item they are trying out for instance, which is also a popular "fail" video subject. I tend to think a good portion of todays youth are extremely coldhearted in that regard. It makes no sense to me.

My sister's boyfriend had a RC aircraft he brought out here to my house. I think he was trying to impress me with it actually which aggravates me, but he crashed and broke it the first 5 seconds of flying it in our field. He looked at me and I think he was expecting me to be laughing at him. He also commented later about everyone laughing at him when he crashes it at other places. I do not understand that. Why would someone think it's funny to see someone crash their RC plane. I can only attribute some sort of jealousy with it. Someone is jealous and they wish to have such an item, and it amuses them to see the person who has an item they envy lose or break said item. I don't feel that way and don't understand it at all. My only feeling was being bummed that I didn't get to see it flying around for a while.
 
I'm still not too sure about this subject, and nearly made a similar thread myself a short while back in an effort to understand it more.

I think I have very little empathy in the way I undertand it. If someone is upset, whether mad or sad, I do not feel mad or sad with them. I also understand empathy as to mean an ability to feel "one" with others at times of anger, sadness, and joy. I don't experience this either. Compassion though is totally different. I am loaded with compassion, too much actually. If I were to see someone in danger, hurt, or in need of physical help, I feel much compassion for them and would help them out without second thought. I would even be willing to put myself in danger to do so. One of my main frustrations with most of the general public is because I perceive them as having very little compassion. It's all over youtube for example. The so called injury "fail" videos. I do not understand why so many people enjoy watching people get hurt. The show "It only hurts when I laugh" is another good example. Why would anyone laugh after watching someone get hurt, or break their item they are trying out for instance, which is also a popular "fail" video subject. I tend to think a good portion of todays youth are extremely coldhearted in that regard. It makes no sense to me.

My sister's boyfriend had a RC aircraft he brought out here to my house. I think he was trying to impress me with it actually which aggravates me, but he crashed and broke it the first 5 seconds of flying it in our field. He looked at me and I think he was expecting me to be laughing at him. He also commented later about everyone laughing at him when he crashes it at other places. I do not understand that. Why would someone think it's funny to see someone crash their RC plane. I can only attribute some sort of jealousy with it. Someone is jealous and they wish to have such an item, and it amuses them to see the person who has an item they envy lose or break said item. I don't feel that way and don't understand it at all. My only feeling was being bummed that I didn't get to see it flying around for a while.


this is interesting :) Difference Between Empathy and Compassion | Difference Between | Empathy vs Compassion

The way I understand it, it seems a lot of people on Autism spectrum tend to experience empathy or compassion in situations where it's logically appropriate and other folks experience the same emotions in situations where it's socially appropriate. It's like: we observe and decide and others experience and decide... The reasoning behind the behavior seem to come from a different place, even though we can still be influenced by other people emotions but, maybe, in a different way, that's why our reasoning mostly comes from observation.
Desire to help also depends on sensitivity (but it's true for any person whether he/ she is on Autism spectrum or not). I'm wondering...if people who are hypersensitive, are also more sensitive emotionally....

So, we do experience empathy and compassion, just differently. We don't bother doing things that don't make sense to us and don't want others to do the same, but what doesn't make sense to us can make perfect sense to others. ...
 
I do not understand why so many people enjoy watching people get hurt.

Now that hurting is mentioned in a different context than before it brings to my mind that I've always had an odd rections to pain. When I bent my arm, I smile, and when I smash my toe somewhere I laugh. Done these even since being a kid. I've been thinking if it's due to having confusion on how emotions should work, And also, for bigger effect, just that swearing would make me more angry, but smiling feels to prevent that in situations where I'd hurt enough already.
I don't know if this kind of reaction is usual amongst us, but I've been suspecting that aspects like these could also have something to do with approaching differently to nettlesome situations.
 
I also find that venting often strengthens the emotion rather than gets rid of it by "getting it out of my system". Apparently my system doesn't work that way.
 
I also find that venting often strengthens the emotion rather than gets rid of it by "getting it out of my system". Apparently my system doesn't work that way.

If I may, I think the key is making sure you are venting the right things. Many aspies, myself included, often really are not good and understanding what emotions are coming up and why. The first reaction is often enough not the right one and it takes some time to sort it out.

That said, I think the best solution for anything overcoming us is a little alone time. For me, it works every time and better.
 
I've noticed that I feel more compassionate and/ or willing to help... I guess... when I'm not as stressed... I don't know if other people would feel equally compassionate regardless their state of mind... My theory, when I'm not stressed I'm more willing to direct my attention outwards and try to connect to people more.
 

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