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Autism is a gift

Alice09

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Hi I am just wondering if any of you see your Autism as a gift to human evolution, firstly I wanted to state I am NIFJ personality with Autism, I love alone time in fact I find busy social situations very draining and learned to protect my own energy, I gave up watching the news and the illusions in the world, and focused on myself through a spiritual awakening. I surprisingly loved the meditating and it’s a big part of my life now, my visions are so vivid and beautiful I have never felt so grounded and connected with myself.

I wanted to ask if any of you have hyperphantasia this is the ability to see images crisp and clear with the mind, even with your eyes open, if I say can you picture what you had for breakfast, can you see it exactly how it was? If I say think about chocolate, can you smell it now? Think of a pizza can you visualise it, taste it and smell it? Can you see things other don’t like a tiny pull in fabric, a small stain etc. the opposite to this is aphantasia, only around 10% of the population have this gift and linked to Autism. This is being discussed in the Awake project.

I also wanted to ask if anyone has a good inner monologue voice, i call this our intuition not all people have it, but it helps guide us and process. I use to just think I was different, learning I had Autism when young was hard, and I was told to believe I am just wired different, I felt broken, but I can honestly say what I have learned now, I am grateful for this gift, I don’t have to blend in anymore, the way I look at it is that typical people don’t understand our abilities because they don’t have the hyper senses we do, and learning to use these gifts can very much be rewarding into adulthood, so long as we surpress the ego mind.

I hate the fact I was forced into situations when I was young, like I had to get use to what everyone else was doing, I hated birthday parties, and school was draining, I thrived with alone time, I struggled with negativity from peoples problems and news in the world affected me, how can one understand the world with so much drama, I was like an empath absorbing the bad energy, to a point I would have a melt down. Now I make my own choices and decide what I invest my time into, I choose the people I mix with, I am able to say no! Having my own child now with Autism I fully understand what she is going through, I don’t pressure her into anything, and let her explore her qualities, and help guide her, if she doesn’t want to do something I say ok. I only wish my parents had been more understanding, I’m sure they thought they were helping, my mum always said “it’s what the professions told us to do” when in fact it was more damaging. This is just my opinion, people have to accept that there are some who just like the simple things in life and are just quiet, and like alone time, instead of assuming it’s not normal! We can thrive at our best being allowed to be ourselves and respected.

If a child likes to line up toys instead of playing with them, that’s ok why not join in and make patterns with them, there are so many other ways to learn incorporating them into making shapes, numbers etc I use to go in my own world doing this and if anyone cared to ask what I was doing, I would tell have told them I was learning about symmetry, though I didn’t know what symmetry was then, but I was figuring it out. Now I am an artist making beautiful mandalas, I found myself through my own awakening and my inner child has come back to the surface, I have never been more happier, and can deal with any situation grounding myself and just be in the present focusing on the now, past is not important.
 

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@Alice09
It sounds like you now have a very strong sense of your self with confidence, understanding, and a reconciliation with your past. I like the idea of autistic children being with their autistic parents because I can imagine they get understanding that was not available to many of us. I completely agree with you about being able to learn from all types of things. Playing with toys is fine, but lining them up and studying them is also a wonderful way to learn. My experience with myself and the world and autism is very different than yours, but I can still understand some of the experiences you described here.
 
We're different, but I've never seen any evidence that HFAs are, on aggregate, better than NTs.

IMO it's not healthy to conflate the two.
 
Would you be willing to explain what this means to you?
It's a Myers Briggs personality test result, likely INFJ

https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/the-16-mbti-personality-types/

INFJ​

Seek meaning and connection in ideas, relationships, and material possessions. Want to understand what motivates people and are insightful about others. Conscientious and committed to their firm values. Develop a clear vision about how best to serve the common good. Organized and decisive in implementing their vision.
 
I think so... Honestly if it weren't for this I probably would have fallen in with a cult that I grew up in... But instead I wasn't taken in by it
 
It's a Myers Briggs personality test result, likely INFJ

https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/the-16-mbti-personality-types/

INFJ​

Seek meaning and connection in ideas, relationships, and material possessions. Want to understand what motivates people and are insightful about others. Conscientious and committed to their firm values. Develop a clear vision about how best to serve the common good. Organized and decisive in implementing their vision.
Right, but what does it mean to Alice09? When people think it is important to mention this test result, I wonder why and what it means to them.
 
I never rate NTs as low intelligence or inferior to me. It's unfair to. NTs are intelligent too and some can have high IQs.
I have average IQ, below average in some things.
But even NTs are capable of having talents, interests, good focus, etc.
 
Interesting assessment. And even if I differ in some opinions I like your positivity. But why do you think we are somehow connected to (the theory of) evolution? Could it not be Devolution?

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Hi I am just wondering if any of you see your Autism as a gift to human evolution, firstly I wanted to state I am NIFJ personality with Autism, I love alone time in fact I find busy social situations very draining and learned to protect my own energy, I gave up watching the news and the illusions in the world, and focused on myself through a spiritual awakening. I surprisingly loved the meditating and it’s a big part of my life now, my visions are so vivid and beautiful I have never felt so grounded and connected with myself.

I wanted to ask if any of you have hyperphantasia this is the ability to see images crisp and clear with the mind, even with your eyes open, if I say can you picture what you had for breakfast, can you see it exactly how it was? If I say think about chocolate, can you smell it now? Think of a pizza can you visualise it, taste it and smell it? Can you see things other don’t like a tiny pull in fabric, a small stain etc. the opposite to this is aphantasia, only around 10% of the population have this gift and linked to Autism. This is being discussed in the Awake project.

I also wanted to ask if anyone has a good inner monologue voice, i call this our intuition not all people have it, but it helps guide us and process. I use to just think I was different, learning I had Autism when young was hard, and I was told to believe I am just wired different, I felt broken, but I can honestly say what I have learned now, I am grateful for this gift, I don’t have to blend in anymore, the way I look at it is that typical people don’t understand our abilities because they don’t have the hyper senses we do, and learning to use these gifts can very much be rewarding into adulthood, so long as we surpress the ego mind.

I hate the fact I was forced into situations when I was young, like I had to get use to what everyone else was doing, I hated birthday parties, and school was draining, I thrived with alone time, I struggled with negativity from peoples problems and news in the world affected me, how can one understand the world with so much drama, I was like an empath absorbing the bad energy, to a point I would have a melt down. Now I make my own choices and decide what I invest my time into, I choose the people I mix with, I am able to say no! Having my own child now with Autism I fully understand what she is going through, I don’t pressure her into anything, and let her explore her qualities, and help guide her, if she doesn’t want to do something I say ok. I only wish my parents had been more understanding, I’m sure they thought they were helping, my mum always said “it’s what the professions told us to do” when in fact it was more damaging. This is just my opinion, people have to accept that there are some who just like the simple things in life and are just quiet, and like alone time, instead of assuming it’s not normal! We can thrive at our best being allowed to be ourselves and respected.

If a child likes to line up toys instead of playing with them, that’s ok why not join in and make patterns with them, there are so many other ways to learn incorporating them into making shapes, numbers etc I use to go in my own world doing this and if anyone cared to ask what I was doing, I would tell have told them I was learning about symmetry, though I didn’t know what symmetry was then, but I was figuring it out. Now I am an artist making beautiful mandalas, I found myself through my own awakening and my inner child has come back to the surface, I have never been more happier, and can deal with any situation grounding myself and just be in the present focusing on the now, past is not important.
Autism as a gift:

This is a response I made to another thread. I think it may be appropriate here, as well.

"It's an interesting thing to ponder. What would it actually be like, not being me, but some other version of me without an autism condition? Would I have been less successful in some areas and more successful in other areas? What would my life look like? Would I be married to my current wife, someone else, same kids, different kids, single, no children? Would my decisions and pathways in life be different?

All I can say about being autistic is that there are pros and cons. Being neurotypical would likely have a different set of pros and cons."


I do understand where some people, including myself, could see where a particular subset of autistics with a strong internal, goal-oriented drive, a strong sense of duty towards humanity, a high degree of focus, and a particular skill set could literally change the world. These people are few and far between. However, even on a more day-to-day basis, the people you deal with at work, for example, there are a subset of autistics that, by their ability to focus in on a task and isolate themselves from social distractions, are highly productive people. Certainly there are employers, especially in the tech fields, that recognize this stereotypical trait and specifically seek out these individuals. Even someone as controversial as Dr. Hans Asperger recognized certain traits as valuable, even gifted, and were able to spare many individuals from the Nazi death camps. Other psychologists have this meme that "Without a little bit of autism, humans would still be talking to each other in caves."

Having said that, even in the paragraph above, these people are still autistic and still can suffer from all the social and communication difficulties associated with the condition. Those in the public eye can be subject to high levels of misinterpretation, false accusations, and reputation destruction. The ability to keep pushing forward in the face of all of that is admirable, in my mind.

Autism as a gift? My response would be more tempered. For any one thing that I can do exceptionally well, I can balance it out with something I do exceptionally poorly. It's just different, and I will leave it at that.
 
"Without a little bit of autism, humans would still be talking to each other in caves."

I don't believe that. It's basically saying that all NTs are good for is chatting and breeding and nothing else.
 
It can be a gift for me.
But in the general sense. No.
High functioning autism maybe. But as you go to ASD2 and ASD3 it is very very far from a gift. Specifically if you ask the question if it is a gift to human evolution. Which it isn`t because the people around people with ASD2 and ASD3 need to change their whole life around these people.
So no. It is not a gift to human evolution. But it can be a gift on a personal level.
 
"Without a little bit of autism, humans would still be talking to each other in caves."

I don't believe that. It's basically saying that all NTs are good for is chatting and breeding and nothing else.
Not my quote, but I have heard it a few times at lectures to create a bit of laughter in the audience. However, there is a stereotypical tendency for most NTs to socialize about themselves and the people around them, whereas, we stereotypically socialize about things and ideas. It's not to say that, in any given situation, the opposite could occur, but at least in my experience and obviously others, this has been the case, and by this little meme quote, suggests a bit of "tongue and cheek", NTs making fun of NTs.

I get where you're going with your response. It appears divisive, but also understand "where there's smoke there's fire" in the sense that the NTs got the joke about themselves and were able to laugh at it.
 
I think I'm with the NTs. I can't invent things, although I don't think every inventor in history has autism. Some people are just clever.

I socialise a lot, and all sorts of subjects get brought up in conversations among NTs besides gossip. I'm really curious about gossip and I get really intrigued and interested. I'd rather gossip than talk about what most the guys who I work with talk about a lot, which is mechanical engineering stuff and street routes. I know we work in a garage so this sort of thing will get brought up, but they talk about it all through lunch too.
I'm fascinated by people. I always have been. When I was a child I would only draw or write about people, mostly my family. I've never been into stereotypical things an Aspie is supposed to be.
 
My biggest fear when I had the stroke was losing my ability to solve interesting real-life puzzles. ThIs defines who I am and I consider it a gift my way of contributing. Fortunately, I did not lose this ability.
 
Hi I am just wondering if any of you see your Autism as a gift to human evolution, firstly I wanted to state I am NIFJ personality with Autism, I love alone time in fact I find busy social situations very draining and learned to protect my own energy, I gave up watching the news and the illusions in the world, and focused on myself through a spiritual awakening. I surprisingly loved the meditating and it’s a big part of my life now, my visions are so vivid and beautiful I have never felt so grounded and connected with myself.

I wanted to ask if any of you have hyperphantasia this is the ability to see images crisp and clear with the mind, even with your eyes open, if I say can you picture what you had for breakfast, can you see it exactly how it was? If I say think about chocolate, can you smell it now? Think of a pizza can you visualise it, taste it and smell it? Can you see things other don’t like a tiny pull in fabric, a small stain etc. the opposite to this is aphantasia, only around 10% of the population have this gift and linked to Autism. This is being discussed in the Awake project.

I also wanted to ask if anyone has a good inner monologue voice, i call this our intuition not all people have it, but it helps guide us and process. I use to just think I was different, learning I had Autism when young was hard, and I was told to believe I am just wired different, I felt broken, but I can honestly say what I have learned now, I am grateful for this gift, I don’t have to blend in anymore, the way I look at it is that typical people don’t understand our abilities because they don’t have the hyper senses we do, and learning to use these gifts can very much be rewarding into adulthood, so long as we surpress the ego mind.

I hate the fact I was forced into situations when I was young, like I had to get use to what everyone else was doing, I hated birthday parties, and school was draining, I thrived with alone time, I struggled with negativity from peoples problems and news in the world affected me, how can one understand the world with so much drama, I was like an empath absorbing the bad energy, to a point I would have a melt down. Now I make my own choices and decide what I invest my time into, I choose the people I mix with, I am able to say no! Having my own child now with Autism I fully understand what she is going through, I don’t pressure her into anything, and let her explore her qualities, and help guide her, if she doesn’t want to do something I say ok. I only wish my parents had been more understanding, I’m sure they thought they were helping, my mum always said “it’s what the professions told us to do” when in fact it was more damaging. This is just my opinion, people have to accept that there are some who just like the simple things in life and are just quiet, and like alone time, instead of assuming it’s not normal! We can thrive at our best being allowed to be ourselves and respected.

If a child likes to line up toys instead of playing with them, that’s ok why not join in and make patterns with them, there are so many other ways to learn incorporating them into making shapes, numbers etc I use to go in my own world doing this and if anyone cared to ask what I was doing, I would tell have told them I was learning about symmetry, though I didn’t know what symmetry was then, but I was figuring it out. Now I am an artist making beautiful mandalas, I found myself through my own awakening and my inner child has come back to the surface, I have never been more happier, and can deal with any situation grounding myself and just be in the present focusing on the now, past is not important.
Yes I have that I think not sure what it is exactly but I can visualize smells and taste maybe some foods I visualize
If someone says visualize a ocean I cannot always place everything in terms of spatial
But I can feel the sand, smell the ocean and maybe sand, feel the sun on my face, maybe have the waves crash a bit.
I can visualize an apple, hold it in my hand and feel the shiny, taste the taste and sugary of it, imagine a worm pop out and how repulsed I'd be.
Do I like autism?
Not lately my life is ruined just when I thought things would be amazing.
Does it have advantages yes and disadvantages
Sometimes huge disadvantages
Is it difficult yes especially in social levels but on many different levels some people may struggle with difficult issues severely.
 
Hi I am just wondering if any of you see your Autism as a gift to human evolution, firstly I wanted to state I am NIFJ personality with Autism, I love alone time in fact I find busy social situations very draining and learned to protect my own energy, I gave up watching the news and the illusions in the world, and focused on myself through a spiritual awakening. I surprisingly loved the meditating and it’s a big part of my life now, my visions are so vivid and beautiful I have never felt so grounded and connected with myself.

I wanted to ask if any of you have hyperphantasia this is the ability to see images crisp and clear with the mind, even with your eyes open, if I say can you picture what you had for breakfast, can you see it exactly how it was? If I say think about chocolate, can you smell it now? Think of a pizza can you visualise it, taste it and smell it? Can you see things other don’t like a tiny pull in fabric, a small stain etc. the opposite to this is aphantasia, only around 10% of the population have this gift and linked to Autism. This is being discussed in the Awake project.

I also wanted to ask if anyone has a good inner monologue voice, i call this our intuition not all people have it, but it helps guide us and process. I use to just think I was different, learning I had Autism when young was hard, and I was told to believe I am just wired different, I felt broken, but I can honestly say what I have learned now, I am grateful for this gift, I don’t have to blend in anymore, the way I look at it is that typical people don’t understand our abilities because they don’t have the hyper senses we do, and learning to use these gifts can very much be rewarding into adulthood, so long as we surpress the ego mind.

I hate the fact I was forced into situations when I was young, like I had to get use to what everyone else was doing, I hated birthday parties, and school was draining, I thrived with alone time, I struggled with negativity from peoples problems and news in the world affected me, how can one understand the world with so much drama, I was like an empath absorbing the bad energy, to a point I would have a melt down. Now I make my own choices and decide what I invest my time into, I choose the people I mix with, I am able to say no! Having my own child now with Autism I fully understand what she is going through, I don’t pressure her into anything, and let her explore her qualities, and help guide her, if she doesn’t want to do something I say ok. I only wish my parents had been more understanding, I’m sure they thought they were helping, my mum always said “it’s what the professions told us to do” when in fact it was more damaging. This is just my opinion, people have to accept that there are some who just like the simple things in life and are just quiet, and like alone time, instead of assuming it’s not normal! We can thrive at our best being allowed to be ourselves and respected.

If a child likes to line up toys instead of playing with them, that’s ok why not join in and make patterns with them, there are so many other ways to learn incorporating them into making shapes, numbers etc I use to go in my own world doing this and if anyone cared to ask what I was doing, I would tell have told them I was learning about symmetry, though I didn’t know what symmetry was then, but I was figuring it out. Now I am an artist making beautiful mandalas, I found myself through my own awakening and my inner child has come back to the surface, I have never been more happier, and can deal with any situation grounding myself and just be in the present focusing on the now, past is not important.
I would likely fall under the definition of hyperphantasia.
For quite some time, I used the term eidetic memory because of my recall ability of timelines and events associated with my internal imagery..

I used my ability to morph scenarios during my work in mechanical engineering to improve designs that had failed with successful scenarios.
One nice tool I have in my bag of tricks is the ability to construct and test complex mechanisms inside of my head.
Another part of my design process was to have tactile moments with similar material as what the parts would be made of.
Often it was not with the resulting final material choice.

Each of my memories are as crisp and clear as the first time I saw them.
They can be either very detailed still images or motion pictures with the ability to view them from other points of view.
Got the internal monologing detail as well, combined with a penchant for teaching other nearly anything I know quite a bit about.

I dig deep into nostalgia, both by preserving the past and thru restoration work on mechanical items.
One example is my work I do at The National Pike Steam Gas and Horse Association.
Between running an oldschool lineshaft machineshop where I actually put our equipment thru their paces and helping others with their equipment as well.

Recently a state representative that is also a member did an interview with me in front of a professional film crew outlining some of my contributions to our shows.
Of course if you are going to actively work century old equipment in a display area, I feel it is necessary to dress period correct:
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I consider my home a museum of oddities, with collections of toys from my past and just about anything that strikes my fancy.
Yes, there is an active hobby machineshop in my home too.

Movies?
What do you want to watch?
Photos?
What do you want to see?

Now you have sent me down a new rabbit hole that will likely consume a whole lot more of my time.

 
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You could abstract anything up the chain as a gift.

This may offend some people which is not my intention so please read it to entirety before getting twisted.

In regards to myers briggs that structure should be taken with a grain of salt because you cant shove all of humanity in 16 cognitive stacks. If it was a segway for you to be more introspective and move to other more concrete ideologies that that is great.


From an evolutionary perspective looking at mankind objectively; (speaking in general here not just about autism) one would find most deficiencies, or less suited humans that possess a cognitive, physical or other adaptations that net them a lower probability of survival would be procreated out of existence in regards to increasing the self-preservation of man-kind as a whole through 1000's of years of natural selection. To some belief this has been done since the beginning when conditions were dismal and poor you couldn't have people that couldn't walk, missing limbs, cognitive or psychological issues that could potentially compromise/burden a clans survival in early times when life was essentially cut throat and able people had to fight. I also understand that genetics and random combination to genome will net error in how a humans are developed. Modern times we have the capacity to help all types and the dangers at-least in the 1st world are minimal so no matter who you are and whatever your disparate capacities are you build the diversity in providing society with good and services like everyone else.

To say it is a gift? That's rather optimistic depending on your world view outlook as a whole and semi-biased because one has a particular condition that instead of an even balanced see-saw (average person) you have extreme interpersonal traits/deficiencies that unbalance the see-saw to have extreme positives and extreme negatives but can only be viewed in totality by differing yourself from the average person which inherently one would call a gift in essentially being different or a rarity of condition.

I personally wouldn't shout it from the mountain tops but hold your cards close to the chest you dont know who is watching.
 
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